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but because they are hard.

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to organize and measure the best

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of our energies and skills.

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>> It's been 50 years

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since we've been to the Moon,

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and we've got a great program

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called Artemis.

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We're going back.

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The Apollo program was a test

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for the American people

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that you can do

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what you set out to do.

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and making it happen.

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>> We are go for our mission

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to the Moon at this time.

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>> Engines on five, four,

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on the Saturn V was the noise.

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>> We're go.

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Think tight, we're go.

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>> Tranquility Bay here,

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the Eagle has landed.

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>> The landing to me

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was a great celebration.

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>> That's one small step

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for man,

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one giant leap for mankind.

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that we can eventually learn

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that we use exploring.

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>> We are a nation of explorers.

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that Americans could see

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look what we are doing.

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look what we are capable of

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and what we are doing now.

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>> Artemis will stand on

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of the world on them

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when they start down this trail.

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is one that will continue

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to inspire going to the Moon.

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more in communications,

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in manufacturing that help us

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I'm William T. Harris,

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at Space Center Houston.

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Learning Destination dedicated

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to bringing people in space

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closer together.

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of serving as the official

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visitor center

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for NASA Johnson Space Center,

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the home of astronaut training

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We share the story of

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human space exploration

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past, present, and future with

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more than 1.25 million visitors

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how science and humanity

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power space exploration.

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a great impact

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to our life on Earth.

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of innovation,

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scientific advancements,

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and it broadens our views

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of the world and beyond.

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thrilled to celebrate

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the 50th anniversary

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of the Apollo 17 mission,

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the final human mission

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to the Moon

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during the Apollo program.

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The Apollo set the course

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for Artemis, the next era

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of human space exploration.

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successfully splashed down,

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fulfilling a milestone

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as we prepare to return

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however, with a new purpose.

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Space Center Houston houses

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of Apollo-era artifacts

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the Apollo 17 Command Module.

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the Moon brought back to Earth

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by the Apollo 17 mission

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at our Lunar Vault exhibit.

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our new exhibit, Artemis.

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lessons learned

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from the Apollo era

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from the legends who lived it

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and paved the way for the future

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of space exploration.

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who are realizing our future.

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that we took on the Moon,

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and look at the journey

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we've launched to return.

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and your support helps

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make possible all we do here.

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to human space exploration.

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two distinguished explorers

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who are with us today,

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Apollo 13 astronaut Fred Haise.

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of our legends and explorers.

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Uh, 50 years ago this month,

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the Apollo program launched

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humanity's last voyage

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Harrison Schmitt, the first

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scientist to investigate

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the backup crew for Apollo 15.

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with peace and hope

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in lunar orbit

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and on the lunar surface.

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In the intermediary

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50-year period from Apollo 17

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to today, NASA's

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Human Spaceflight Program

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has been working

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in Low Earth Orbit

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and preparing to pick up where

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the Apollo program left off.

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The 135 launches of

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the space shuttle program,

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the construction of

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the International Space Station,

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which we've now had

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our astronauts living off

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this planet

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for over 22 continuous years.

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I think that deserves

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a round of applause.

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[applause]

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But we've learned many lessons

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living and working

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in microgravity environment,

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which is now laying

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the groundwork for us

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to pursue Artemis,

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the Moon to Mars program.

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NASA's Artemis program

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is charting the course

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for an exciting new era

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in human lunar exploration,

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and this time when we go,

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we're going to be going

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in a different way.

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We're going to be going with

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our International partners.

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We're going to be going

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with commercial industry.

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And when we go,

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we will have the first woman

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and the first people of color

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that will go to the Moon.

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And we will establish

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a long-term science

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and exploration capabilities

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to inspire the next generation

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of explorers,

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the Artemis generation,

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just as Apollo did.

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Today we have the honor of

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hearing from Apollo 17 legends

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and Artemis leaders to discuss

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the past, present and future

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of human space exploration.

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I'm going to introduce our panel

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and they have

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very distinguished careers.

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If I were to give

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their entire bios,

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we'd be here the entire time.

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[laughter]

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So we're just going to have

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some very abbreviated, uh,

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introductions of them.

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So first, our first panelist,

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uh, is Gerry Griffin,

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and he's our Apollo 17

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lead flight director.

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[applause]

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Gene Kranz,

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Apollo 17 launch flight director

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Moon and Earth.

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[applause]

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And joining us remotely

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is Charlie Duke,

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Apollo 16 Moonwalker

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and Apollo 17 backup

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lunar module pilot.

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[applause]

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We also have with us

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from the Artemis generation

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Jessi Horelica,

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and she's an Artemis

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flight controller.

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[applause]

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We have Antja Chambers,

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and she's an Artemis engineer.

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[applause]

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And we have Reid Wiseman,

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NASA astronaut.

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[applause]

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So we'll go into

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our panel discussion.

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So as we are celebrating

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the 50th anniversary

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of Apollo 17

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on the heels of an incredible

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Artemis 1 mission,

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it's a real honor to be here

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with our legends

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and with our leaders.

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As we stand on the shoulders

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of you giants,

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we want to start by asking

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our Apollo legends

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a few questions.

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So I'm going to start

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with you, Gerry.

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You were the lead

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flight director on Apollo 17.

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Can you tell us what

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that entailed?

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What was it like preparing

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the Mission Control Team

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for what became

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the longest mission

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of the Apollo program?

416
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What made 17 different?

417
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>> Well, it-it wasn't

418
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much different than--

419
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let me answer that first--

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than 16.

421
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Um, people have asked me

422
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sometimes, were we kind of

423
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starting to fade out

424
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and fall off?

425
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Not at-not at all.

426
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We were as diligent on 17.

427
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Uh, we certainly didn't want

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to end with a failure

429
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of-of a mission

430
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after-after we had been there

431
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and-and done well.

432
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Uh, a lead flight director

433
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is, uh, interesting position.

434
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It is a primarily--

435
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and I discussed this

436
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this morning with the head

437
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of the flight director office

438
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for Artemis--

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that, um, it's the same.

440
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It's a pre-flight,

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a pre-mission responsibility.

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You're in charge of pulling

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all the pieces together

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and you've got--

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you spend more time with

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the crew, probably,

447
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than the other flight directors,

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uh, talking through

449
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mission rules, flight plans,

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emergency procedures, all of it.

451
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And you also got the network

452
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to worry about, uh,

453
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your tracking systems

454
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and all that.

455
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Um, once the base of

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the rocket clears the tower,

457
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a flight director

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is a flight director.

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It's the guy sitting

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in that seat or the gal now

461
00:14:17,089 --> 00:14:18,991
sitting in that seat

462
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that, um, has to make

463
00:14:20,559 --> 00:14:23,162
the final go, no go decisions

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after a lot of help

465
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and a lot of input.

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So the lead flight director

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is a-is a responsibility

468
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that's a big one,

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00:14:30,869 --> 00:14:33,572
but it was primarily pre-flight.

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Um, and it-it worked

471
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extremely well the whole time,

472
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uh, throughout that program.

473
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Uh, it worked very well.

474
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>> So, um, on Apollo 17,

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I know there was a lot of focus

476
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on the sign on that mission,

477
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uh, the distance that

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the Rover traveled.

479
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Um, can you tell me

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about the preparations,

481
00:14:54,693 --> 00:14:55,894
the planning,

482
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getting ready for that?

483
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>> Yes, one of the things

484
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that happened,

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it actually started with

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the last three missions,

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15, 16, 17,

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had-had a rover.

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And that made the exploration

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of the Moon a lot-a lot better,

491
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because they could

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traverse farther.

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And of course, we always had 'em

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in walk-back distance,

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and it was our key.

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So it was kind of

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the constant measure

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of how far we could go.

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But those last three missions

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were very similar

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And they were--

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but they built on each other.

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And 17 was really the capstone

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of the program,

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because it was the longest EVAs.

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The lunar module had--

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had been modified to give 'em

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a little more oxygen,

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a little more time

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on the surface.

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So we had-we had

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the ability in 17

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that we didn't have earlier.

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And it really did work.

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And by that time,

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I can-- and this--

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Gene and I have

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talked about this.

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We never took the focus

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off our crew's safety,

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but in those latter missions,

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we finally got to the point

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we knew what we were doing

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and why we were going,

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and it was to explore the Moon.

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So in the control center,

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I can tell you,

528
00:16:24,149 --> 00:16:24,950
particularly the flight

529
00:16:24,950 --> 00:16:26,085
directorate position,

530
00:16:26,085 --> 00:16:27,453
there was a lot more emphasis

531
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on the science.

532
00:16:28,721 --> 00:16:30,422
And we went out in the field

533
00:16:30,422 --> 00:16:31,657
and trained with the crews,

534
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which we hadn't done

535
00:16:33,325 --> 00:16:35,728
prior to Apollo 15.

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And so we went out

537
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to remote sites here in the US

538
00:16:39,898 --> 00:16:42,768
and watched how they worked

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00:16:42,768 --> 00:16:44,370
with the science guys

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00:16:44,370 --> 00:16:46,805
and how we could enhance that.

541
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So it was a--

542
00:16:48,140 --> 00:16:49,541
it was a learning experience.

543
00:16:49,541 --> 00:16:50,376
And you've gotta go through

544
00:16:50,376 --> 00:16:51,377
the same experience

545
00:16:51,377 --> 00:16:52,378
with Artemis.

546
00:16:52,378 --> 00:16:54,580
Your first thing is

547
00:16:54,580 --> 00:16:55,447
get 'em up there,

548
00:16:55,447 --> 00:16:56,181
get 'em back,

549
00:16:56,181 --> 00:16:57,416
don't hurt anybody.

550
00:16:57,416 --> 00:16:59,985
And as you get more comfortable

551
00:16:59,985 --> 00:17:01,587
as time goes on,

552
00:17:01,587 --> 00:17:02,855
you'll get there,

553
00:17:02,855 --> 00:17:04,123
pure exploration

554
00:17:04,123 --> 00:17:05,758
or better exploration.

555
00:17:05,758 --> 00:17:07,693
>> Thank you.

556
00:17:07,693 --> 00:17:09,161
And so, uh, Gene Kranz,

557
00:17:09,161 --> 00:17:09,962
as you shared,

558
00:17:09,962 --> 00:17:11,797
you were the Apollo 17

559
00:17:11,797 --> 00:17:13,465
launch flight director,

560
00:17:13,465 --> 00:17:14,600
both Moon and Earth.

561
00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,668
On Apollo 17,

562
00:17:16,668 --> 00:17:18,570
it was the first night launch

563
00:17:18,570 --> 00:17:20,072
of the Apollo program.

564
00:17:20,072 --> 00:17:22,007
And you were on console.

565
00:17:22,007 --> 00:17:23,709
For our guests,

566
00:17:23,709 --> 00:17:24,710
why did we launch

567
00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:25,711
the crew at night,

568
00:17:25,711 --> 00:17:27,146
and did it create

569
00:17:27,146 --> 00:17:29,248
any additional challenges

570
00:17:29,248 --> 00:17:30,315
for the launch control

571
00:17:30,315 --> 00:17:31,650
at the Cape

572
00:17:31,650 --> 00:17:32,951
or mission control teams

573
00:17:32,951 --> 00:17:34,620
here in Houston?

574
00:17:34,620 --> 00:17:36,155
>> Vanessa, before I begin,

575
00:17:36,155 --> 00:17:38,323
I'd like to, uh,

576
00:17:38,323 --> 00:17:39,391
say a few words

577
00:17:39,391 --> 00:17:41,059
to the Artemis team.

578
00:17:41,059 --> 00:17:43,662
I've been involved in every--

579
00:17:43,662 --> 00:17:44,963
beginning of every mission

580
00:17:44,963 --> 00:17:47,633
from Mercury through, actually,

581
00:17:47,633 --> 00:17:49,568
the Space Station program,

582
00:17:49,568 --> 00:17:51,136
and into the Shuttle.

583
00:17:51,136 --> 00:17:53,572
I was always--

584
00:17:53,572 --> 00:17:55,607
our major concerns were always

585
00:17:55,607 --> 00:17:57,142
the unmanned missions,

586
00:17:57,142 --> 00:17:58,877
because a mission

587
00:17:58,877 --> 00:18:00,679
without a man available

588
00:18:00,679 --> 00:18:02,514
to exercise options

589
00:18:02,514 --> 00:18:04,116
that maybe we had

590
00:18:04,116 --> 00:18:05,451
not properly covered

591
00:18:05,451 --> 00:18:07,786
during our pre-mission planning

592
00:18:07,786 --> 00:18:09,154
was really key.

593
00:18:09,154 --> 00:18:10,556
When I looked at

594
00:18:10,556 --> 00:18:12,124
the Artemis profile,

595
00:18:12,124 --> 00:18:13,892
a 22-day unmanned mission,

596
00:18:13,892 --> 00:18:17,162
I almost wanted to know

597
00:18:17,162 --> 00:18:19,631
what they were going to do,

598
00:18:19,631 --> 00:18:20,833
what problems they would face.

599
00:18:20,833 --> 00:18:21,767
So I got together with

600
00:18:21,767 --> 00:18:22,868
a couple of the engineers

601
00:18:22,868 --> 00:18:24,002
from Lockheed,

602
00:18:24,002 --> 00:18:25,170
and I went over

603
00:18:25,170 --> 00:18:27,339
the alternate mission options

604
00:18:27,339 --> 00:18:28,440
they had in there.

605
00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,209
And I talked with Mike Hawes

606
00:18:30,209 --> 00:18:31,510
and one of his engineers

607
00:18:31,510 --> 00:18:32,578
in there,

608
00:18:32,578 --> 00:18:35,647
and I got then into

609
00:18:35,647 --> 00:18:39,184
watching the videos program

610
00:18:39,184 --> 00:18:40,052
from a standpoint

611
00:18:40,052 --> 00:18:42,654
of the mission overview.

612
00:18:42,654 --> 00:18:44,957
And I just wanted to say

613
00:18:44,957 --> 00:18:46,291
you did one, I'll say,

614
00:18:46,291 --> 00:18:47,192
hell of a job,

615
00:18:47,192 --> 00:18:49,194
one hell of a job

616
00:18:49,194 --> 00:18:50,395
pulling that thing off.

617
00:18:50,395 --> 00:18:52,431
Because it was incredible.

618
00:18:52,431 --> 00:18:54,800
[ applause ]

619
00:18:57,436 --> 00:18:59,104
Now the simple question is easy.

620
00:18:59,104 --> 00:19:00,506
Why did we launch at night?

621
00:19:00,506 --> 00:19:02,274
[ laughter ]

622
00:19:02,274 --> 00:19:03,675
Well, there's many things

623
00:19:03,675 --> 00:19:05,611
that go into establishing

624
00:19:05,611 --> 00:19:06,845
the launch window.

625
00:19:06,845 --> 00:19:09,147
But one of the principal ones

626
00:19:09,147 --> 00:19:11,483
is the sun elevation

627
00:19:11,483 --> 00:19:13,085
at the time of landing.

628
00:19:13,085 --> 00:19:15,020
And the sun elevation

629
00:19:15,020 --> 00:19:17,256
to provide the best visibility

630
00:19:17,256 --> 00:19:18,123
for the landing

631
00:19:18,123 --> 00:19:20,058
through experience

632
00:19:20,058 --> 00:19:21,827
and verified previous missions

633
00:19:21,827 --> 00:19:22,928
is roughly between

634
00:19:22,928 --> 00:19:24,930
7 and 20 degrees

635
00:19:24,930 --> 00:19:26,098
behind the crew

636
00:19:26,098 --> 00:19:27,399
at the time of landing.

637
00:19:27,399 --> 00:19:28,767
This improves

638
00:19:28,767 --> 00:19:30,168
their depth perception

639
00:19:30,168 --> 00:19:31,703
and allows them

640
00:19:31,703 --> 00:19:33,972
to basically exercise

641
00:19:33,972 --> 00:19:36,074
whatever actions they need

642
00:19:36,074 --> 00:19:38,343
to get to a proper landing site.

643
00:19:38,343 --> 00:19:40,879
And I can say,

644
00:19:40,879 --> 00:19:42,714
that was the easy question.

645
00:19:42,714 --> 00:19:44,550
I still go back to Artemis

646
00:19:44,550 --> 00:19:45,450
and want to say

647
00:19:45,450 --> 00:19:46,718
you did a great job.

648
00:19:46,718 --> 00:19:48,420
>> Thank you.

649
00:19:48,420 --> 00:19:51,657
So, Jessi, can you

650
00:19:51,657 --> 00:19:52,724
share your role

651
00:19:52,724 --> 00:19:54,092
in the Artemis 1 mission?

652
00:19:54,092 --> 00:19:55,460
And talk to us

653
00:19:55,460 --> 00:19:56,461
about the parallels

654
00:19:56,461 --> 00:19:58,263
between the two programs

655
00:19:58,263 --> 00:19:59,398
and what it's like to be

656
00:19:59,398 --> 00:20:00,566
an Artemis flight controller

657
00:20:00,566 --> 00:20:02,935
in the past few weeks.

658
00:20:02,935 --> 00:20:05,270
>> I had the absolute honor

659
00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:06,505
to support the guidance,

660
00:20:06,505 --> 00:20:08,440
navigation, and control console,

661
00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:09,875
the GNC console,

662
00:20:09,875 --> 00:20:10,709
in mission control

663
00:20:10,709 --> 00:20:12,311
for Artemis 1.

664
00:20:12,311 --> 00:20:14,346
GNC and our three backrooms

665
00:20:14,346 --> 00:20:16,248
insured Orion knew where it was

666
00:20:16,248 --> 00:20:18,050
throughout its entire journey,

667
00:20:18,050 --> 00:20:20,319
when and where to maneuver,

668
00:20:20,319 --> 00:20:22,087
and how to make it home safely.

669
00:20:22,087 --> 00:20:23,922
So it was just

670
00:20:23,922 --> 00:20:24,990
an incredible journey.

671
00:20:24,990 --> 00:20:26,658
We were also responsible

672
00:20:26,658 --> 00:20:28,226
for maneuvering

673
00:20:28,226 --> 00:20:29,595
and calculating those maneuvers

674
00:20:29,595 --> 00:20:30,429
to provide you

675
00:20:30,429 --> 00:20:31,663
the incredible imagery

676
00:20:31,663 --> 00:20:32,698
that you all saw

677
00:20:32,698 --> 00:20:33,632
throughout the mission,

678
00:20:33,632 --> 00:20:35,500
including that breathtaking

679
00:20:35,500 --> 00:20:37,069
Earth being eclipsed

680
00:20:37,069 --> 00:20:38,036
by the Moon.

681
00:20:38,036 --> 00:20:39,237
It's truly something I know

682
00:20:39,237 --> 00:20:40,973
I will never forget.

683
00:20:40,973 --> 00:20:43,408
I think one of the parallels

684
00:20:43,408 --> 00:20:45,043
between Apollo and Artemis

685
00:20:45,043 --> 00:20:46,612
that sticks out to me the most

686
00:20:46,612 --> 00:20:48,614
is that both programs

687
00:20:48,614 --> 00:20:50,749
really embody the human spirit

688
00:20:50,749 --> 00:20:54,019
to explore and to dream big.

689
00:20:54,019 --> 00:20:55,087
And that is something that

690
00:20:55,087 --> 00:20:57,456
I have been inspired by

691
00:20:57,456 --> 00:20:59,424
throughout my entire career.

692
00:20:59,424 --> 00:21:00,959
And they also show that

693
00:21:00,959 --> 00:21:02,961
both programs can demonstrate

694
00:21:02,961 --> 00:21:05,197
the ability to have

695
00:21:05,197 --> 00:21:06,398
humans work together

696
00:21:06,398 --> 00:21:08,667
and achieve an incredible goal

697
00:21:08,667 --> 00:21:09,635
when you work together

698
00:21:09,635 --> 00:21:11,336
through a common goal.

699
00:21:11,336 --> 00:21:13,305
Let's see, the past few weeks

700
00:21:13,305 --> 00:21:15,907
have been an incredible ride.

701
00:21:15,907 --> 00:21:17,576
I got to live out a dream

702
00:21:17,576 --> 00:21:19,044
that actually started here

703
00:21:19,044 --> 00:21:20,479
at Space Center Houston

704
00:21:20,479 --> 00:21:21,847
as a little girl.

705
00:21:21,847 --> 00:21:23,148
So it's been an absolute honor,

706
00:21:23,148 --> 00:21:24,516
and I could not be more proud

707
00:21:24,516 --> 00:21:26,118
of the Artemis team

708
00:21:26,118 --> 00:21:27,653
and what we've accomplished.

709
00:21:27,653 --> 00:21:28,920
I can't wait to fly our crew

710
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,256
on Artemis 2.

711
00:21:31,256 --> 00:21:32,724
>> For sure, for sure.

712
00:21:32,724 --> 00:21:35,527
[ applause ]

713
00:21:37,929 --> 00:21:41,033
Antja, as an Artemis engineer

714
00:21:41,033 --> 00:21:42,501
with expertise in

715
00:21:42,501 --> 00:21:44,336
water recovery systems,

716
00:21:44,336 --> 00:21:45,737
how does the work you're doing

717
00:21:45,737 --> 00:21:47,439
ensure the health and safety

718
00:21:47,439 --> 00:21:49,641
of our Artemis crews?

719
00:21:49,641 --> 00:21:50,776
>> So currently

720
00:21:50,776 --> 00:21:51,943
I'm serving as the human

721
00:21:51,943 --> 00:21:53,578
landing systems program--

722
00:21:53,578 --> 00:21:55,013
it's basically

723
00:21:55,013 --> 00:21:56,114
the portfolio manager

724
00:21:56,114 --> 00:21:57,716
of a lot of the hardware

725
00:21:57,716 --> 00:21:58,517
that's provided

726
00:21:58,517 --> 00:22:00,018
specifically for crew use.

727
00:22:00,018 --> 00:22:00,786
So anything from

728
00:22:00,786 --> 00:22:02,354
the emergency hardware

729
00:22:02,354 --> 00:22:04,856
to the food to the medical kits,

730
00:22:04,856 --> 00:22:06,892
all of it is meant to ensure

731
00:22:06,892 --> 00:22:07,993
the safety and health

732
00:22:07,993 --> 00:22:10,362
and ensure their performance,

733
00:22:10,362 --> 00:22:12,130
uh, of the, uh--

734
00:22:12,130 --> 00:22:13,198
during the mission.

735
00:22:13,198 --> 00:22:15,867
And so all of that ranges

736
00:22:15,867 --> 00:22:17,469
from making sure that

737
00:22:17,469 --> 00:22:18,236
they have the right

738
00:22:18,236 --> 00:22:19,171
medical supplies

739
00:22:19,171 --> 00:22:20,605
during their mission,

740
00:22:20,605 --> 00:22:22,074
that they have the right food,

741
00:22:22,074 --> 00:22:22,774
that it has the right

742
00:22:22,774 --> 00:22:25,243
caloric content for that.

743
00:22:25,243 --> 00:22:26,144
We also have what we call

744
00:22:26,144 --> 00:22:27,279
the Lunar LOO, which is

745
00:22:27,279 --> 00:22:29,614
the Lunar Lavatory On Orbit.

746
00:22:29,614 --> 00:22:31,016
[ laughing ]

747
00:22:31,016 --> 00:22:32,184
If you know

748
00:22:32,184 --> 00:22:33,151
one thing about NASA,

749
00:22:33,151 --> 00:22:34,886
we love our acronyms.

750
00:22:34,886 --> 00:22:37,055
And so, um--

751
00:22:37,055 --> 00:22:38,290
and it's exactly what you say.

752
00:22:38,290 --> 00:22:40,459
It's about making sure

753
00:22:40,459 --> 00:22:41,860
that they-- we have

754
00:22:41,860 --> 00:22:43,228
waste management on orbit,

755
00:22:43,228 --> 00:22:45,430
everything to protect the crew

756
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:46,598
and make sure that

757
00:22:46,598 --> 00:22:48,233
they can do what we are--

758
00:22:48,233 --> 00:22:49,735
take for granted on

759
00:22:49,735 --> 00:22:51,136
a day-to-day basis,

760
00:22:51,136 --> 00:22:52,437
and to ensure that the safety

761
00:22:52,437 --> 00:22:54,272
is ensured during that.

762
00:22:54,272 --> 00:22:56,007
>> Awesome. Thank you, Antja.

763
00:22:56,007 --> 00:22:58,477
So joining us from-- yeah.

764
00:22:58,477 --> 00:23:01,246
[ applause ]

765
00:23:01,246 --> 00:23:02,214
I think the crews will tell you,

766
00:23:02,214 --> 00:23:03,248
they appreciate knowing

767
00:23:03,248 --> 00:23:05,450
that we're working on that LOO.

768
00:23:05,450 --> 00:23:07,152
[ laughter ]

769
00:23:07,152 --> 00:23:09,387
So Charlie's remote--

770
00:23:09,387 --> 00:23:10,522
you're joining us remotely.

771
00:23:10,522 --> 00:23:12,124
Thank you for joining us.

772
00:23:12,124 --> 00:23:14,626
Can you hear me okay?

773
00:23:14,626 --> 00:23:16,027
>> I see the stage

774
00:23:16,027 --> 00:23:17,863
and a few front rows,

775
00:23:17,863 --> 00:23:19,831
and you're loud and clear.

776
00:23:19,831 --> 00:23:23,969
Hopefully I'm visible to you.

777
00:23:23,969 --> 00:23:25,303
>> Yeah, you're visible

778
00:23:25,303 --> 00:23:26,772
and loud and clear.

779
00:23:26,772 --> 00:23:28,774
On Apollo 16 you were

780
00:23:28,774 --> 00:23:30,475
the lunar module pilot

781
00:23:30,475 --> 00:23:32,677
and one of very few people

782
00:23:32,677 --> 00:23:35,080
who not only walked on the Moon,

783
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,882
but rode the lunar rover

784
00:23:36,882 --> 00:23:38,216
on the surface.

785
00:23:38,216 --> 00:23:39,751
Then you became

786
00:23:39,751 --> 00:23:41,319
the backup lunar module pilot

787
00:23:41,319 --> 00:23:43,054
for Apollo 17.

788
00:23:43,054 --> 00:23:44,623
Talk to us about the crew

789
00:23:44,623 --> 00:23:46,258
of Apollo 17

790
00:23:46,258 --> 00:23:47,759
and your memories

791
00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:49,161
of training with them

792
00:23:49,161 --> 00:23:51,196
after having returned

793
00:23:51,196 --> 00:23:53,265
on Apollo 16.

794
00:23:53,265 --> 00:23:55,801
>> Well, uh, of course,

795
00:23:55,801 --> 00:23:57,435
we were all close friends,

796
00:23:57,435 --> 00:24:00,205
the astronauts, during Apollo.

797
00:24:00,205 --> 00:24:03,441
So, uh, when

798
00:24:03,441 --> 00:24:05,877
John and I returned,

799
00:24:05,877 --> 00:24:07,212
they needed a backup crew

800
00:24:07,212 --> 00:24:10,248
for, uh, 17.

801
00:24:10,248 --> 00:24:14,486
And, uh, and now we realized

802
00:24:14,486 --> 00:24:16,521
it was after that there was

803
00:24:16,521 --> 00:24:18,023
no more crew assignments,

804
00:24:18,023 --> 00:24:19,257
but we volunteered anyway,

805
00:24:19,257 --> 00:24:20,859
because who knows

806
00:24:20,859 --> 00:24:21,927
what might happen,

807
00:24:21,927 --> 00:24:23,595
and we might be a good support

808
00:24:23,595 --> 00:24:24,830
for the crew,

809
00:24:24,830 --> 00:24:25,997
since we just got back

810
00:24:25,997 --> 00:24:28,667
and we could give 'em insight

811
00:24:28,667 --> 00:24:30,869
into the rover storage

812
00:24:30,869 --> 00:24:32,971
in the lunar module procedures

813
00:24:32,971 --> 00:24:34,105
and this thing--

814
00:24:34,105 --> 00:24:35,373
this kind of stuff.

815
00:24:35,373 --> 00:24:36,708
And so it worked out

816
00:24:36,708 --> 00:24:37,809
really well.

817
00:24:37,809 --> 00:24:40,745
We were a good support for them.

818
00:24:40,745 --> 00:24:42,848
We worked hard,

819
00:24:42,848 --> 00:24:45,350
uh, to learn the flight plan

820
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:49,354
and to help in the planning.

821
00:24:49,354 --> 00:24:51,857
So being a backup crew

822
00:24:51,857 --> 00:24:54,693
on a dead-end job, really,

823
00:24:54,693 --> 00:24:56,561
uh, was pretty exciting.

824
00:24:56,561 --> 00:24:58,830
We had good training

825
00:24:58,830 --> 00:25:00,432
down at the Cape.

826
00:25:00,432 --> 00:25:03,702
And so we got to know

827
00:25:03,702 --> 00:25:07,072
each other's idiosyncrasies

828
00:25:07,072 --> 00:25:08,240
and things like that.

829
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:09,507
So we were able to help out,

830
00:25:09,507 --> 00:25:11,943
help the prime crew

831
00:25:11,943 --> 00:25:14,546
and have inputs into some

832
00:25:14,546 --> 00:25:16,248
of the flight plan,

833
00:25:16,248 --> 00:25:17,649
as far as the lunar surface

834
00:25:17,649 --> 00:25:19,217
activity goes.

835
00:25:19,217 --> 00:25:20,151
So it was, uh--

836
00:25:20,151 --> 00:25:21,753
we melded really well.

837
00:25:21,753 --> 00:25:24,055
And, uh, was delighted

838
00:25:24,055 --> 00:25:26,758
that I got to work on, um,

839
00:25:26,758 --> 00:25:29,160
two backup crews,

840
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,562
a prime crew,

841
00:25:30,562 --> 00:25:34,332
and, um-- and two times

842
00:25:34,332 --> 00:25:35,500
in mission control.

843
00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:36,668
So Apollo was

844
00:25:36,668 --> 00:25:39,137
very exciting for me.

845
00:25:39,137 --> 00:25:41,306
>> So I happen to know,

846
00:25:41,306 --> 00:25:43,074
you've shared with me before

847
00:25:43,074 --> 00:25:44,910
that you guys like to pull

848
00:25:44,910 --> 00:25:46,111
pranks on each other.

849
00:25:46,111 --> 00:25:48,013
[ laughter ]

850
00:25:48,013 --> 00:25:50,081
Do you have any-any--

851
00:25:50,081 --> 00:25:52,384
you remember, uh, sharing pranks

852
00:25:52,384 --> 00:25:54,286
with Apollo 17?

853
00:25:54,286 --> 00:25:56,354
>> Uh, yeah, one that, uh--

854
00:25:56,354 --> 00:25:59,224
When Stu Roosa was

855
00:25:59,224 --> 00:26:01,426
the backup command module pilot.

856
00:26:01,426 --> 00:26:05,263
And John Young came in

857
00:26:05,263 --> 00:26:08,199
one afternoon, panting,

858
00:26:08,199 --> 00:26:09,634
as he'd been out running

859
00:26:09,634 --> 00:26:11,202
the rover track,

860
00:26:11,202 --> 00:26:13,004
which was out into the boonies.

861
00:26:13,004 --> 00:26:14,906
And he came across

862
00:26:14,906 --> 00:26:16,007
this big snake,

863
00:26:16,007 --> 00:26:20,145
and it-it was huge, he said.

864
00:26:20,145 --> 00:26:22,514
So he said,

865
00:26:22,514 --> 00:26:23,648
"I threw rocks at him,

866
00:26:23,648 --> 00:26:25,250
"and I think I wounded him

867
00:26:25,250 --> 00:26:26,117
a little bit."

868
00:26:26,117 --> 00:26:27,852
So Stu Roosa and I, uh,

869
00:26:27,852 --> 00:26:30,755
got in our rental car,

870
00:26:30,755 --> 00:26:31,723
and we drove out there

871
00:26:31,723 --> 00:26:32,891
and found this big snake

872
00:26:32,891 --> 00:26:35,126
and dispatched him

873
00:26:35,126 --> 00:26:36,428
and said, you know what,

874
00:26:36,428 --> 00:26:39,464
let's, uh, have a joke.

875
00:26:39,464 --> 00:26:42,500
And so we took the snake

876
00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:45,170
and we coiled it up

877
00:26:45,170 --> 00:26:48,606
under Gene Cernan's chair

878
00:26:48,606 --> 00:26:53,178
in the-in the crew office.

879
00:26:53,178 --> 00:26:56,448
And he was in the simulator,

880
00:26:56,448 --> 00:26:58,350
and we said he got

881
00:26:58,350 --> 00:26:59,818
an important call,

882
00:26:59,818 --> 00:27:03,755
so the secretary called him

883
00:27:03,755 --> 00:27:04,489
and said you've got

884
00:27:04,489 --> 00:27:05,490
an important call.

885
00:27:05,490 --> 00:27:06,958
So he took a break,

886
00:27:06,958 --> 00:27:08,827
and he sat down.

887
00:27:08,827 --> 00:27:11,896
And the chairs there

888
00:27:11,896 --> 00:27:13,264
were the roller chairs.

889
00:27:13,264 --> 00:27:14,299
And the desk had

890
00:27:14,299 --> 00:27:16,868
a little keyhole where

891
00:27:16,868 --> 00:27:18,770
you put your [ indistinct ]

892
00:27:18,770 --> 00:27:19,938
and you could roll it in.

893
00:27:19,938 --> 00:27:21,206
So he was rolling in

894
00:27:21,206 --> 00:27:24,342
towards that desk,

895
00:27:24,342 --> 00:27:25,143
and he looks down

896
00:27:25,143 --> 00:27:26,244
and sees this big snake,

897
00:27:26,244 --> 00:27:28,880
which was-- had been dispatched

898
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,582
and beheaded, by the way.

899
00:27:30,582 --> 00:27:33,718
And he, uh-- I mean,

900
00:27:33,718 --> 00:27:35,954
mach 2 backwards.

901
00:27:35,954 --> 00:27:38,456
[ laughter ]

902
00:27:38,456 --> 00:27:40,558
And jumped out and said

903
00:27:40,558 --> 00:27:41,926
a few choice curse words

904
00:27:41,926 --> 00:27:43,094
and, uh--

905
00:27:43,094 --> 00:27:46,031
and was white as a sheet.

906
00:27:46,031 --> 00:27:46,965
And I said, uh--

907
00:27:46,965 --> 00:27:48,033
I said, "John--"

908
00:27:48,033 --> 00:27:49,267
'cause I thought, I said,

909
00:27:49,267 --> 00:27:51,269
"we made a big mistake here."

910
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:52,937
[ laughter ]

911
00:27:52,937 --> 00:27:54,973
And-- but everything--

912
00:27:54,973 --> 00:27:55,907
then he realized

913
00:27:55,907 --> 00:27:56,674
what had happened,

914
00:27:56,674 --> 00:27:58,176
and we got, uh,

915
00:27:58,176 --> 00:27:59,811
a few choice curse words

916
00:27:59,811 --> 00:28:01,513
and a few-- everything else.

917
00:28:01,513 --> 00:28:03,014
And everybody had a big laugh.

918
00:28:03,014 --> 00:28:04,983
So we all settled down

919
00:28:04,983 --> 00:28:08,686
and Gene took it really well

920
00:28:08,686 --> 00:28:10,422
in the end.

921
00:28:10,422 --> 00:28:11,489
So we had a few

922
00:28:11,489 --> 00:28:12,557
little things like that,

923
00:28:12,557 --> 00:28:13,324
but that was

924
00:28:13,324 --> 00:28:16,261
the most interesting one

925
00:28:16,261 --> 00:28:17,962
during our short

926
00:28:17,962 --> 00:28:19,931
training period with 17.

927
00:28:19,931 --> 00:28:21,699
[ laughter ]

928
00:28:21,699 --> 00:28:22,734
>> You guys actually had

929
00:28:22,734 --> 00:28:24,335
a really good time together.

930
00:28:24,335 --> 00:28:25,804
>> Yeah, we did.

931
00:28:25,804 --> 00:28:27,238
[ indistinct ]

932
00:28:27,238 --> 00:28:28,306
You know, being on

933
00:28:28,306 --> 00:28:29,274
the backup crew with

934
00:28:29,274 --> 00:28:32,243
that experience we had as--

935
00:28:32,243 --> 00:28:34,145
with our three days

936
00:28:34,145 --> 00:28:35,180
on the Moon

937
00:28:35,180 --> 00:28:36,881
was really helpful to them

938
00:28:36,881 --> 00:28:37,982
in their training.

939
00:28:37,982 --> 00:28:41,319
And we were able to give 'em

940
00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:42,754
some ideas about

941
00:28:42,754 --> 00:28:45,256
their, uh, traverses,

942
00:28:45,256 --> 00:28:47,692
and what they should look for

943
00:28:47,692 --> 00:28:49,994
and everything else like that.

944
00:28:49,994 --> 00:28:52,397
And they did a fantastic job

945
00:28:52,397 --> 00:28:56,668
as we built on the expertise

946
00:28:56,668 --> 00:28:58,770
of the three previous missions

947
00:28:58,770 --> 00:29:00,071
with the rover.

948
00:29:00,071 --> 00:29:02,207
We got more and more confident

949
00:29:02,207 --> 00:29:03,308
with the rover.

950
00:29:03,308 --> 00:29:05,710
So I don't remember exactly

951
00:29:05,710 --> 00:29:08,146
how far Apollo 15 went,

952
00:29:08,146 --> 00:29:09,247
but we went out

953
00:29:09,247 --> 00:29:11,015
about 4 miles or so,

954
00:29:11,015 --> 00:29:12,317
maybe a little bit more.

955
00:29:12,317 --> 00:29:15,320
Well, 17 did 7 miles.

956
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,388
And so with the confidence

957
00:29:17,388 --> 00:29:18,256
in the rover,

958
00:29:18,256 --> 00:29:19,624
we were able to expand

959
00:29:19,624 --> 00:29:23,495
the exploration territory.

960
00:29:23,495 --> 00:29:25,697
And it worked really,

961
00:29:25,697 --> 00:29:27,332
really well.

962
00:29:27,332 --> 00:29:28,600
>> Awesome, well,

963
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,268
thank you for sharing that.

964
00:29:30,268 --> 00:29:31,636
[ applause ]

965
00:29:31,636 --> 00:29:32,937
>> A pleasure.

966
00:29:36,641 --> 00:29:38,676
>> So Gerry and Gene,

967
00:29:38,676 --> 00:29:41,346
this one is for both of you.

968
00:29:41,346 --> 00:29:43,681
What do you think Apollo did

969
00:29:43,681 --> 00:29:46,084
that will help Artemis the most?

970
00:29:48,853 --> 00:29:50,688
Kind of a hard one.

971
00:29:50,688 --> 00:29:51,756
>> I've thought a lot about that

972
00:29:51,756 --> 00:29:53,258
more in recent years

973
00:29:53,258 --> 00:29:57,595
than I did early on.

974
00:29:57,595 --> 00:29:58,530
I think the thing

975
00:29:58,530 --> 00:30:00,932
that we probably provided

976
00:30:00,932 --> 00:30:02,767
that they'll--

977
00:30:02,767 --> 00:30:04,035
that will help them the most

978
00:30:04,035 --> 00:30:06,971
is the fact that we did it.

979
00:30:06,971 --> 00:30:09,240
When we started Apollo

980
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,042
it had never been done

981
00:30:11,042 --> 00:30:14,679
and we thought we could do it.

982
00:30:14,679 --> 00:30:15,780
We were a bunch of young people

983
00:30:15,780 --> 00:30:18,449
that-that, uh,

984
00:30:18,449 --> 00:30:20,618
had great leadership

985
00:30:20,618 --> 00:30:22,921
and-and we pulled it off

986
00:30:22,921 --> 00:30:23,922
and when I say we,

987
00:30:23,922 --> 00:30:24,789
I'm not just talking

988
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:26,524
the Mission Control Center.

989
00:30:26,524 --> 00:30:30,028
I'm talking a whole system.

990
00:30:30,028 --> 00:30:31,829
we pulled it off.

991
00:30:31,829 --> 00:30:34,532
Now that takes that element

992
00:30:34,532 --> 00:30:36,167
out for Artemis.

993
00:30:36,167 --> 00:30:38,269
It can be done.

994
00:30:38,269 --> 00:30:41,439
We did it 50 years ago.

995
00:30:41,439 --> 00:30:42,473
Artemis will have

996
00:30:42,473 --> 00:30:44,976
much better tools to do it,

997
00:30:44,976 --> 00:30:48,213
technology tools,

998
00:30:48,213 --> 00:30:49,647
and I think it'll be

999
00:30:49,647 --> 00:30:52,183
very successful

1000
00:30:52,183 --> 00:30:53,318
but I think the thing that

1001
00:30:53,318 --> 00:30:55,086
you can take off your plate,

1002
00:30:55,086 --> 00:30:56,487
not worry about,

1003
00:30:56,487 --> 00:30:57,989
is that it can be done

1004
00:30:57,989 --> 00:30:59,457
because we did that.

1005
00:30:59,457 --> 00:31:03,394
And, I'm-- Boy, Godspeed,

1006
00:31:03,394 --> 00:31:05,797
uh, have fun.

1007
00:31:05,797 --> 00:31:06,898
>> Awesome.

1008
00:31:06,898 --> 00:31:07,765
Gene your thoughts

1009
00:31:07,765 --> 00:31:11,302
on that question.

1010
00:31:11,302 --> 00:31:14,405
>> Two major themes

1011
00:31:14,405 --> 00:31:15,840
that existed

1012
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,842
during the Apollo program.

1013
00:31:17,842 --> 00:31:19,911
There was a good relationship

1014
00:31:19,911 --> 00:31:22,247
between the Headquarters

1015
00:31:22,247 --> 00:31:26,317
team, uh, George Low

1016
00:31:26,317 --> 00:31:27,518
and basically

1017
00:31:27,518 --> 00:31:29,621
throughout this entire process,

1018
00:31:29,621 --> 00:31:31,656
it was a very personal

1019
00:31:31,656 --> 00:31:33,091
working relationship.

1020
00:31:33,091 --> 00:31:34,125
We didn't worry about

1021
00:31:34,125 --> 00:31:35,326
level one, level two,

1022
00:31:35,326 --> 00:31:36,494
level three, and all that

1023
00:31:36,494 --> 00:31:37,729
kind of stuff.

1024
00:31:37,729 --> 00:31:39,097
It emerged actually

1025
00:31:39,097 --> 00:31:41,299
from the prior programs,

1026
00:31:41,299 --> 00:31:42,066
where basically

1027
00:31:42,066 --> 00:31:43,134
we knew each other,

1028
00:31:43,134 --> 00:31:44,569
were friendly with each other

1029
00:31:44,569 --> 00:31:46,104
and as a result,

1030
00:31:46,104 --> 00:31:47,472
if we had problems,

1031
00:31:47,472 --> 00:31:49,307
we could call--

1032
00:31:49,307 --> 00:31:50,241
knew the right person

1033
00:31:50,241 --> 00:31:52,744
to call to and talk about

1034
00:31:52,744 --> 00:31:53,911
and bring issues

1035
00:31:53,911 --> 00:31:56,047
to the front.

1036
00:31:56,047 --> 00:31:57,682
I think the second thing was

1037
00:31:57,682 --> 00:31:59,183
we had a gentleman

1038
00:31:59,183 --> 00:32:01,753
by the name of Bill Tindall.

1039
00:32:01,753 --> 00:32:03,388
George Low had indicated

1040
00:32:03,388 --> 00:32:05,556
the concerns about integration

1041
00:32:05,556 --> 00:32:07,492
of all the aspects

1042
00:32:07,492 --> 00:32:10,561
of the hardware, software,

1043
00:32:10,561 --> 00:32:12,130
operations, procedures,

1044
00:32:12,130 --> 00:32:13,131
all these things

1045
00:32:13,131 --> 00:32:15,099
coming together

1046
00:32:15,099 --> 00:32:16,034
and he established

1047
00:32:16,034 --> 00:32:17,001
what was called

1048
00:32:17,001 --> 00:32:18,069
the mission techniques

1049
00:32:18,069 --> 00:32:18,903
or called

1050
00:32:18,903 --> 00:32:20,805
the flight techniques.

1051
00:32:20,805 --> 00:32:22,173
And these were, uh,

1052
00:32:22,173 --> 00:32:24,642
sometimes one and two days

1053
00:32:24,642 --> 00:32:26,511
meetings in there.

1054
00:32:26,511 --> 00:32:28,313
Where people would establish

1055
00:32:28,313 --> 00:32:30,048
how we were going to do things.

1056
00:32:30,048 --> 00:32:33,284
And finally, many people,

1057
00:32:33,284 --> 00:32:35,520
a lot of times, uh,

1058
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:36,621
Tindall's work would get

1059
00:32:36,621 --> 00:32:39,624
in the way of my people

1060
00:32:39,624 --> 00:32:40,391
in the trench,

1061
00:32:40,391 --> 00:32:41,225
the control team.

1062
00:32:41,225 --> 00:32:42,460
And a fight would come up

1063
00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:44,362
on that topic.

1064
00:32:44,362 --> 00:32:46,064
But Bill would sit down

1065
00:32:46,064 --> 00:32:47,332
and about two days after

1066
00:32:47,332 --> 00:32:48,399
the meeting was over,

1067
00:32:48,399 --> 00:32:50,535
he'd write a memo

1068
00:32:50,535 --> 00:32:51,402
and saying,

1069
00:32:51,402 --> 00:32:53,037
I-I was at this meeting.

1070
00:32:53,037 --> 00:32:54,205
I listened well,

1071
00:32:54,205 --> 00:32:56,007
right on down the line,

1072
00:32:56,007 --> 00:32:57,275
and this is what I think

1073
00:32:57,275 --> 00:32:59,277
you said.

1074
00:32:59,277 --> 00:33:00,445
And then he would write

1075
00:33:00,445 --> 00:33:02,780
a two or three page memo

1076
00:33:02,780 --> 00:33:03,881
that would lay out

1077
00:33:03,881 --> 00:33:05,883
the direction

1078
00:33:05,883 --> 00:33:06,984
that we should take.

1079
00:33:06,984 --> 00:33:08,653
And I think the key thing is

1080
00:33:08,653 --> 00:33:10,321
I think the Artemis program

1081
00:33:10,321 --> 00:33:13,224
extremely complex, has to find

1082
00:33:13,224 --> 00:33:15,426
the Bill Tindall equivalent

1083
00:33:15,426 --> 00:33:18,396
to put these pieces together.

1084
00:33:18,396 --> 00:33:20,531
>> It should be noted,

1085
00:33:20,531 --> 00:33:25,002
Bill was here at JSC

1086
00:33:25,002 --> 00:33:27,138
but everybody in the agency

1087
00:33:27,138 --> 00:33:30,408
trusted him to to do it right.

1088
00:33:30,408 --> 00:33:32,076
And boy, his Tindallgram.

1089
00:33:32,076 --> 00:33:33,878
We called 'em Tindallgrams,

1090
00:33:33,878 --> 00:33:34,712
you know,

1091
00:33:34,712 --> 00:33:35,546
we were looking forward

1092
00:33:35,546 --> 00:33:37,382
to getting the next one.

1093
00:33:37,382 --> 00:33:39,150
>> Well, I think--

1094
00:33:39,150 --> 00:33:41,552
I think one also a good thing

1095
00:33:41,552 --> 00:33:42,420
is the minutes of

1096
00:33:42,420 --> 00:33:44,589
the flight techniques meeting

1097
00:33:44,589 --> 00:33:46,057
still exist.

1098
00:33:46,057 --> 00:33:48,493
It's about that tall.

1099
00:33:48,493 --> 00:33:50,061
About three inches.

1100
00:33:50,061 --> 00:33:51,496
They're published by the people

1101
00:33:51,496 --> 00:33:52,997
at Draper Labs.

1102
00:33:52,997 --> 00:33:53,765
And as you move

1103
00:33:53,765 --> 00:33:54,599
into this program,

1104
00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:55,566
you might take a look

1105
00:33:55,566 --> 00:33:58,169
about how this thing

1106
00:33:58,169 --> 00:34:00,571
called Apollo came together

1107
00:34:00,571 --> 00:34:01,372
because there's a lot of

1108
00:34:01,372 --> 00:34:03,608
good listens there.

1109
00:34:03,608 --> 00:34:05,276
>> Awesome. Thank you.

1110
00:34:05,276 --> 00:34:06,210
Yep, you're bringing back

1111
00:34:06,210 --> 00:34:07,211
fond memories

1112
00:34:07,211 --> 00:34:09,247
of flight techniques meetings

1113
00:34:09,247 --> 00:34:10,481
on shuttle.

1114
00:34:10,481 --> 00:34:12,183
So, awesome.

1115
00:34:12,183 --> 00:34:13,551
Well, so we do have

1116
00:34:13,551 --> 00:34:15,019
some questions coming in

1117
00:34:15,019 --> 00:34:18,389
from the audience

1118
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:20,725
and there's a QR code.

1119
00:34:23,694 --> 00:34:26,697
>> Thank you.

1120
00:34:26,697 --> 00:34:28,332
Okay, great.

1121
00:34:28,332 --> 00:34:30,234
All right, so, um,

1122
00:34:30,234 --> 00:34:31,903
one of our first questions

1123
00:34:31,903 --> 00:34:33,571
is, uh-- and this is for

1124
00:34:33,571 --> 00:34:37,141
anybody on, uh, let's see--

1125
00:34:37,141 --> 00:34:37,942
What challenges

1126
00:34:37,942 --> 00:34:39,844
from 50 years ago

1127
00:34:39,844 --> 00:34:41,779
do we still see today

1128
00:34:41,779 --> 00:34:45,249
in getting to the Moon?

1129
00:34:45,249 --> 00:34:47,285
To all of our panelists.

1130
00:34:47,285 --> 00:34:48,085
>> The one thing I was

1131
00:34:48,085 --> 00:34:49,120
taking away from

1132
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,589
from all three of them, from-

1133
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:52,523
from Gene, Gerry and Charlie

1134
00:34:52,523 --> 00:34:54,492
is we're still learning

1135
00:34:54,492 --> 00:34:55,960
and these three folks

1136
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,295
are still teaching us.

1137
00:34:57,295 --> 00:34:58,930
And I think, Gene,

1138
00:34:58,930 --> 00:35:00,097
when you said it's--

1139
00:35:00,097 --> 00:35:00,932
it's the integration

1140
00:35:00,932 --> 00:35:03,034
of all these parts, uh,

1141
00:35:03,034 --> 00:35:05,102
when I look across Artemis,

1142
00:35:05,102 --> 00:35:08,873
um, it's vastly more diverse

1143
00:35:08,873 --> 00:35:10,341
in its pieces now with

1144
00:35:10,341 --> 00:35:11,542
commercial industry involved,

1145
00:35:11,542 --> 00:35:12,543
with International partners

1146
00:35:12,543 --> 00:35:14,846
involved, um, the diversity

1147
00:35:14,846 --> 00:35:16,214
of this team from bottom up

1148
00:35:16,214 --> 00:35:18,049
is unbelievable as well as

1149
00:35:18,049 --> 00:35:19,584
the hardware, and so,

1150
00:35:19,584 --> 00:35:20,451
I think the thing

1151
00:35:20,451 --> 00:35:21,285
from 50 years ago

1152
00:35:21,285 --> 00:35:22,220
that is still going to be

1153
00:35:22,220 --> 00:35:23,187
a major challenge

1154
00:35:23,187 --> 00:35:24,288
and our agency is talking

1155
00:35:24,288 --> 00:35:25,256
about it every day

1156
00:35:25,256 --> 00:35:26,190
is how do we integrate

1157
00:35:26,190 --> 00:35:27,158
all of these parts

1158
00:35:27,158 --> 00:35:28,125
and who oversees that.

1159
00:35:28,125 --> 00:35:29,327
So, I thought that was

1160
00:35:29,327 --> 00:35:30,461
a great comment.

1161
00:35:30,461 --> 00:35:31,796
And-- and I do also--

1162
00:35:31,796 --> 00:35:32,930
I need to point out

1163
00:35:32,930 --> 00:35:34,398
because we have Charlie here,

1164
00:35:34,398 --> 00:35:35,399
it's the 50th anniversary

1165
00:35:35,399 --> 00:35:36,934
of Apollo 17.

1166
00:35:36,934 --> 00:35:38,336
It's also the 50th anniversary

1167
00:35:38,336 --> 00:35:40,004
of Apollo 16,

1168
00:35:40,004 --> 00:35:41,205
which flew just a few months

1169
00:35:41,205 --> 00:35:42,340
before 17.

1170
00:35:42,340 --> 00:35:43,441
These guys flew the Moon,

1171
00:35:43,441 --> 00:35:44,475
came back and they're like,

1172
00:35:44,475 --> 00:35:45,576
yeah, we'll be backup crew

1173
00:35:45,576 --> 00:35:46,611
for the next--

1174
00:35:46,611 --> 00:35:47,678
for the next crew and I'm like,

1175
00:35:47,678 --> 00:35:48,646
well, most people would be

1176
00:35:48,646 --> 00:35:49,514
taking a month off

1177
00:35:49,514 --> 00:35:50,348
and-and hanging out

1178
00:35:50,348 --> 00:35:51,349
with their families

1179
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:52,750
but, you know, what you all did

1180
00:35:52,750 --> 00:35:54,151
in Apollo was just--

1181
00:35:54,151 --> 00:35:55,019
it was truly magnificent

1182
00:35:55,019 --> 00:35:56,821
and you motivated

1183
00:35:56,821 --> 00:35:59,056
an entire world to get into

1184
00:35:59,056 --> 00:35:59,991
science, technology,

1185
00:35:59,991 --> 00:36:00,791
engineering and math

1186
00:36:00,791 --> 00:36:03,027
and we all thank you for that.

1187
00:36:03,027 --> 00:36:04,395
>> Awesome.

1188
00:36:04,395 --> 00:36:08,099
[applause]

1189
00:36:08,099 --> 00:36:09,133
Yeah.

1190
00:36:09,133 --> 00:36:12,436
>> Can I pick up on one thing.

1191
00:36:12,436 --> 00:36:14,505
I think the one thing

1192
00:36:14,505 --> 00:36:16,674
that the hill to climb yet

1193
00:36:16,674 --> 00:36:18,376
for Artemis is the fact

1194
00:36:18,376 --> 00:36:19,644
that the Moon is still

1195
00:36:19,644 --> 00:36:22,847
240,000, give or take,

1196
00:36:22,847 --> 00:36:24,749
miles away and it's tough.

1197
00:36:24,749 --> 00:36:28,486
It's a hard business and, um,

1198
00:36:28,486 --> 00:36:29,420
somewhere along the way,

1199
00:36:29,420 --> 00:36:30,254
you're probably going to get

1200
00:36:30,254 --> 00:36:31,389
your nose bloodied--

1201
00:36:31,389 --> 00:36:33,524
hopefully not too bad.

1202
00:36:33,524 --> 00:36:36,727
Learn from it, move on,

1203
00:36:36,727 --> 00:36:39,130
but I really do think the--

1204
00:36:39,130 --> 00:36:40,398
I think it was Max Faget--

1205
00:36:40,398 --> 00:36:42,600
it may have been Bob Gilruth

1206
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,302
that said something after--

1207
00:36:44,302 --> 00:36:45,169
and it was

1208
00:36:45,169 --> 00:36:46,671
in the Control Center

1209
00:36:46,671 --> 00:36:48,139
because I heard it.

1210
00:36:48,139 --> 00:36:50,107
He said...

1211
00:36:50,107 --> 00:36:51,676
I think it was Faget,

1212
00:36:51,676 --> 00:36:53,277
who was the chief designer

1213
00:36:53,277 --> 00:36:54,478
at the time

1214
00:36:54,478 --> 00:36:55,813
of almost everything

1215
00:36:55,813 --> 00:36:57,882
manned spacecraft.

1216
00:36:57,882 --> 00:37:01,052
He said, you know,

1217
00:37:01,052 --> 00:37:03,688
we made this look too easy.

1218
00:37:03,688 --> 00:37:05,656
The next bunch is gonna--

1219
00:37:05,656 --> 00:37:06,624
needs to be aware

1220
00:37:06,624 --> 00:37:09,460
that it's not easy.

1221
00:37:09,460 --> 00:37:12,163
It's very, very hard and, uh--

1222
00:37:12,163 --> 00:37:13,164
but that's why we did it

1223
00:37:13,164 --> 00:37:14,432
and that's why Kennedy said

1224
00:37:14,432 --> 00:37:15,566
that we're going to do it

1225
00:37:15,566 --> 00:37:17,368
because it's hard,

1226
00:37:17,368 --> 00:37:19,437
and just keep that in mind

1227
00:37:19,437 --> 00:37:21,806
it can bite you.

1228
00:37:21,806 --> 00:37:23,240
>> Indeed, and that was

1229
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:25,142
our pleasure this year

1230
00:37:25,142 --> 00:37:26,043
to celebrate

1231
00:37:26,043 --> 00:37:27,545
the 60th anniversary

1232
00:37:27,545 --> 00:37:28,846
of the Moon speech

1233
00:37:28,846 --> 00:37:30,781
that John F. Kennedy gave

1234
00:37:30,781 --> 00:37:32,083
and which

1235
00:37:32,083 --> 00:37:33,317
kicked all of this off.

1236
00:37:33,317 --> 00:37:35,987
So what an inspiring time.

1237
00:37:35,987 --> 00:37:38,956
So, we're sitting here today

1238
00:37:38,956 --> 00:37:40,191
at Space Center Houston,

1239
00:37:40,191 --> 00:37:41,258
where future generations

1240
00:37:41,258 --> 00:37:42,927
are inspired daily.

1241
00:37:42,927 --> 00:37:44,028
When you're thinking about

1242
00:37:44,028 --> 00:37:45,596
your unique position

1243
00:37:45,596 --> 00:37:46,964
whether it be on Apollo

1244
00:37:46,964 --> 00:37:48,165
or Artemis-- so this is for

1245
00:37:48,165 --> 00:37:49,634
any of the panelists,

1246
00:37:49,634 --> 00:37:50,534
what would you share

1247
00:37:50,534 --> 00:37:52,536
with the young people today

1248
00:37:52,536 --> 00:37:54,038
about what their future

1249
00:37:54,038 --> 00:37:57,708
may look like?

1250
00:37:57,708 --> 00:37:59,610
>> I guess I'll take this one.

1251
00:37:59,610 --> 00:38:01,412
I'll take part of it, I guess.

1252
00:38:01,412 --> 00:38:04,749
Um, it's what they make of it,

1253
00:38:04,749 --> 00:38:05,983
right? Like, you know,

1254
00:38:05,983 --> 00:38:07,852
we're all building a foundation

1255
00:38:07,852 --> 00:38:09,453
every previous generation

1256
00:38:09,453 --> 00:38:10,588
is building the foundation

1257
00:38:10,588 --> 00:38:11,656
for the next.

1258
00:38:11,656 --> 00:38:12,890
And so, it's to continue that

1259
00:38:12,890 --> 00:38:15,092
with the baton.

1260
00:38:15,092 --> 00:38:18,362
I-I think, um, one thing

1261
00:38:18,362 --> 00:38:19,730
that I don't think is taught

1262
00:38:19,730 --> 00:38:21,599
as kind of early on as poss--

1263
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:23,501
as I would like to see

1264
00:38:23,501 --> 00:38:25,202
is whenever someone says

1265
00:38:25,202 --> 00:38:26,570
what the challenge is

1266
00:38:26,570 --> 00:38:28,673
kind of going forward, um,

1267
00:38:28,673 --> 00:38:30,141
they think that we can say--

1268
00:38:30,141 --> 00:38:31,575
I don't say technical

1269
00:38:31,575 --> 00:38:32,543
for some reason,

1270
00:38:32,543 --> 00:38:34,111
the technical challenges

1271
00:38:34,111 --> 00:38:35,279
from an Artemis engineer

1272
00:38:35,279 --> 00:38:37,114
standpoint is not really

1273
00:38:37,114 --> 00:38:38,215
as intimidating

1274
00:38:38,215 --> 00:38:39,817
as some of the soft skills

1275
00:38:39,817 --> 00:38:40,951
in communication

1276
00:38:40,951 --> 00:38:41,952
that is needed.

1277
00:38:41,952 --> 00:38:43,220
And we hint on it here

1278
00:38:43,220 --> 00:38:44,689
with integration

1279
00:38:44,689 --> 00:38:46,090
but soft skills.

1280
00:38:46,090 --> 00:38:46,991
We all have

1281
00:38:46,991 --> 00:38:48,059
different personalities,

1282
00:38:48,059 --> 00:38:49,226
different opinions,

1283
00:38:49,226 --> 00:38:50,861
a lot of smart people.

1284
00:38:50,861 --> 00:38:52,096
Some voice their opinion

1285
00:38:52,096 --> 00:38:54,799
very loudly while some don't,

1286
00:38:54,799 --> 00:38:56,067
but somehow we have to

1287
00:38:56,067 --> 00:38:57,968
make sure we're all heard

1288
00:38:57,968 --> 00:38:58,869
and I think that

1289
00:38:58,869 --> 00:39:00,538
in order to move forward

1290
00:39:00,538 --> 00:39:02,373
and have that bright future

1291
00:39:02,373 --> 00:39:04,508
it's to understand each other

1292
00:39:04,508 --> 00:39:05,376
in order to have

1293
00:39:05,376 --> 00:39:06,644
that effective communication

1294
00:39:06,644 --> 00:39:08,145
and ultimately integration.

1295
00:39:08,145 --> 00:39:09,814
>> Okay.

1296
00:39:09,814 --> 00:39:14,518
[applause]

1297
00:39:14,518 --> 00:39:15,453
And the questions

1298
00:39:15,453 --> 00:39:16,087
are pouring in.

1299
00:39:16,087 --> 00:39:16,854
So I'm going to try

1300
00:39:16,854 --> 00:39:17,788
to get through

1301
00:39:17,788 --> 00:39:18,889
as many of them as I can.

1302
00:39:18,889 --> 00:39:20,257
So, for Mr. Griffin

1303
00:39:20,257 --> 00:39:21,592
and Mr. Kranz.

1304
00:39:21,592 --> 00:39:23,928
What technology used in Artemis

1305
00:39:23,928 --> 00:39:27,031
do you wish you had in Apollo?

1306
00:39:27,031 --> 00:39:29,767
[laughing]

1307
00:39:29,767 --> 00:39:32,503
>> Can I take it?

1308
00:39:32,503 --> 00:39:36,340
It's funny because in 1972,

1309
00:39:36,340 --> 00:39:39,376
even when we flew 17,

1310
00:39:39,376 --> 00:39:40,711
we had the best technology

1311
00:39:40,711 --> 00:39:42,646
available, and we thought

1312
00:39:42,646 --> 00:39:44,381
it was wonderful,

1313
00:39:44,381 --> 00:39:45,616
because it's all we had

1314
00:39:45,616 --> 00:39:47,251
and it was the peak

1315
00:39:47,251 --> 00:39:48,986
at that point.

1316
00:39:48,986 --> 00:39:50,554
Now looking back, you know,

1317
00:39:50,554 --> 00:39:52,490
with-- I would say,

1318
00:39:52,490 --> 00:39:54,225
if we had if we had had

1319
00:39:54,225 --> 00:39:57,461
more computing power onboard,

1320
00:39:57,461 --> 00:39:58,562
we wouldn't have had to load

1321
00:39:58,562 --> 00:40:00,464
and reload so many things

1322
00:40:00,464 --> 00:40:02,299
through the display keyboard

1323
00:40:02,299 --> 00:40:03,868
called the DSKY.

1324
00:40:03,868 --> 00:40:05,069
Uh, we would have had

1325
00:40:05,069 --> 00:40:07,838
an ability to maybe

1326
00:40:07,838 --> 00:40:09,073
just kind of run through it

1327
00:40:09,073 --> 00:40:12,042
with one set up

1328
00:40:12,042 --> 00:40:12,977
and the computer

1329
00:40:12,977 --> 00:40:14,311
and just like you do

1330
00:40:14,311 --> 00:40:15,279
on your cell phone

1331
00:40:15,279 --> 00:40:19,550
or PC or iPad,

1332
00:40:19,550 --> 00:40:20,584
select what you wanted

1333
00:40:20,584 --> 00:40:22,353
and just go on with it.

1334
00:40:22,353 --> 00:40:23,287
But it was--

1335
00:40:23,287 --> 00:40:24,955
everything was slower

1336
00:40:24,955 --> 00:40:26,056
and it had to be a little bit

1337
00:40:26,056 --> 00:40:27,391
slower because we had so much

1338
00:40:27,391 --> 00:40:31,061
to load and we didn't have

1339
00:40:31,061 --> 00:40:33,264
a good-- the other thing,

1340
00:40:33,264 --> 00:40:36,066
if you think about Apollo 13,

1341
00:40:36,066 --> 00:40:36,934
with all the reading

1342
00:40:36,934 --> 00:40:38,102
of checklists

1343
00:40:38,102 --> 00:40:39,703
that we had to do

1344
00:40:39,703 --> 00:40:40,938
and Fred can tell you

1345
00:40:40,938 --> 00:40:43,107
they ran out of paper

1346
00:40:43,107 --> 00:40:44,441
to write on.

1347
00:40:44,441 --> 00:40:46,911
We had no way to uplink

1348
00:40:46,911 --> 00:40:47,711
anything like that.

1349
00:40:47,711 --> 00:40:48,646
You had it shuttle,

1350
00:40:48,646 --> 00:40:49,747
you had a teleprinter

1351
00:40:49,747 --> 00:40:50,948
that if you needed to do

1352
00:40:50,948 --> 00:40:51,916
a checklist,

1353
00:40:51,916 --> 00:40:54,318
you just sent another one up

1354
00:40:54,318 --> 00:40:55,886
and we had to read all of that.

1355
00:40:55,886 --> 00:40:57,354
So there were things like that

1356
00:40:57,354 --> 00:41:00,491
that made it-- and Jim Lovell

1357
00:41:00,491 --> 00:41:01,892
just about came unglued

1358
00:41:01,892 --> 00:41:04,061
on Apollo 13

1359
00:41:04,061 --> 00:41:04,962
because we were so late

1360
00:41:04,962 --> 00:41:06,430
getting it up to him

1361
00:41:06,430 --> 00:41:07,965
getting the procedure

1362
00:41:07,965 --> 00:41:09,533
to how to power up

1363
00:41:09,533 --> 00:41:10,467
the Command Module

1364
00:41:10,467 --> 00:41:12,536
after we had taken it all down.

1365
00:41:12,536 --> 00:41:15,005
And I can tell you

1366
00:41:15,005 --> 00:41:17,174
they did it perfectly

1367
00:41:17,174 --> 00:41:18,342
but it sure would have been

1368
00:41:18,342 --> 00:41:19,643
a lot easier just to zap

1369
00:41:19,643 --> 00:41:20,778
that thing up there

1370
00:41:20,778 --> 00:41:25,182
and have 'em run through it.

1371
00:41:25,182 --> 00:41:25,916
That's the two things

1372
00:41:25,916 --> 00:41:27,952
I think of.

1373
00:41:27,952 --> 00:41:29,320
>> So, um, Reid,

1374
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,724
I had a couple of ones for you.

1375
00:41:33,724 --> 00:41:34,592
People want to hear from you,

1376
00:41:34,592 --> 00:41:35,659
in general, and then

1377
00:41:35,659 --> 00:41:38,195
they want to know

1378
00:41:38,195 --> 00:41:40,130
what you have learned

1379
00:41:40,130 --> 00:41:41,031
from folks like

1380
00:41:41,031 --> 00:41:42,499
Gerry and Gene.

1381
00:41:42,499 --> 00:41:43,968
What about the Apollo missions

1382
00:41:43,968 --> 00:41:46,103
that inspired you.

1383
00:41:46,103 --> 00:41:47,004
>> I always have to start

1384
00:41:47,004 --> 00:41:48,072
by saying, "I wasn't alive."

1385
00:41:48,072 --> 00:41:49,139
So that's a good step

1386
00:41:49,139 --> 00:41:50,207
in the right direction.

1387
00:41:50,207 --> 00:41:52,009
Um, I think, uh,

1388
00:41:52,009 --> 00:41:52,977
first and foremost,

1389
00:41:52,977 --> 00:41:53,744
I have to look back

1390
00:41:53,744 --> 00:41:54,712
to when I was selected

1391
00:41:54,712 --> 00:41:57,181
as an astronaut in 2009,

1392
00:41:57,181 --> 00:41:58,115
which for some of you

1393
00:41:58,115 --> 00:41:59,183
seems like a long time ago,

1394
00:41:59,183 --> 00:42:00,985
for me it seems like yesterday

1395
00:42:00,985 --> 00:42:03,287
and the day we showed up

1396
00:42:03,287 --> 00:42:04,488
these folks were involved

1397
00:42:04,488 --> 00:42:05,489
in our training.

1398
00:42:05,489 --> 00:42:06,824
They were our mentors.

1399
00:42:06,824 --> 00:42:07,958
They were teaching us,

1400
00:42:07,958 --> 00:42:08,959
uh, everything that we needed

1401
00:42:08,959 --> 00:42:10,227
to think about.

1402
00:42:10,227 --> 00:42:10,995
And they've been there

1403
00:42:10,995 --> 00:42:13,230
by our sides every day since.

1404
00:42:13,230 --> 00:42:14,531
We just had a great talk

1405
00:42:14,531 --> 00:42:15,633
with Jack Schmitt

1406
00:42:15,633 --> 00:42:16,567
this past weekend

1407
00:42:16,567 --> 00:42:19,370
at a reunion, um,

1408
00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:20,404
and-and that's

1409
00:42:20,404 --> 00:42:21,438
the the biggest thing to me

1410
00:42:21,438 --> 00:42:23,540
is that they really embody

1411
00:42:23,540 --> 00:42:24,775
the life-long commitment

1412
00:42:24,775 --> 00:42:26,176
to human exploration

1413
00:42:26,176 --> 00:42:27,011
and they have never

1414
00:42:27,011 --> 00:42:28,245
let their guard down

1415
00:42:28,245 --> 00:42:29,446
and that is pretty awesome.

1416
00:42:29,446 --> 00:42:30,848
And, uh, I was listening

1417
00:42:30,848 --> 00:42:31,882
to Charlie earlier

1418
00:42:31,882 --> 00:42:32,683
when he talked about

1419
00:42:32,683 --> 00:42:33,751
how valuable it was

1420
00:42:33,751 --> 00:42:35,920
to come back from Apollo 16

1421
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,388
and work alongside

1422
00:42:37,388 --> 00:42:39,223
with the Apollo 17 crew

1423
00:42:39,223 --> 00:42:39,957
and that is exactly

1424
00:42:39,957 --> 00:42:40,824
what we should be doing

1425
00:42:40,824 --> 00:42:41,825
in Artemis when that

1426
00:42:41,825 --> 00:42:43,260
two crew lands,

1427
00:42:43,260 --> 00:42:44,228
three is going to be

1428
00:42:44,228 --> 00:42:45,029
deep in training

1429
00:42:45,029 --> 00:42:46,430
for lunar exploration

1430
00:42:46,430 --> 00:42:47,231
and I bet there's a lot

1431
00:42:47,231 --> 00:42:48,432
they could learn about Orion

1432
00:42:48,432 --> 00:42:49,233
from the crew who had

1433
00:42:49,233 --> 00:42:50,200
just flown it--

1434
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,135
and so they should be working

1435
00:42:51,135 --> 00:42:52,202
side by side and then three

1436
00:42:52,202 --> 00:42:53,270
should be doing the same

1437
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:54,672
to share that legacy with four,

1438
00:42:54,672 --> 00:42:55,839
and then maybe in 30 years

1439
00:42:55,839 --> 00:42:56,774
down the road, I can be

1440
00:42:56,774 --> 00:42:57,975
sitting with the new class

1441
00:42:57,975 --> 00:42:58,776
that we just hired

1442
00:42:58,776 --> 00:42:59,476
and telling them about

1443
00:42:59,476 --> 00:43:00,477
lunar geology.

1444
00:43:00,477 --> 00:43:03,113
I think it sounds perfect.

1445
00:43:04,381 --> 00:43:05,482
>> Awesome.

1446
00:43:05,482 --> 00:43:07,084
Okay, so, uh, Charlie,

1447
00:43:07,084 --> 00:43:08,652
I'm gonna throw this out to you

1448
00:43:08,652 --> 00:43:10,187
um Gerry and Gene.

1449
00:43:10,187 --> 00:43:11,488
So how did working

1450
00:43:11,488 --> 00:43:13,324
on such a big initiative

1451
00:43:13,324 --> 00:43:15,793
change or develop you

1452
00:43:15,793 --> 00:43:19,997
as individual people?

1453
00:43:19,997 --> 00:43:22,366
>> If I go back into the, uh,

1454
00:43:22,366 --> 00:43:24,635
way we developed

1455
00:43:24,635 --> 00:43:26,036
in Mission Control

1456
00:43:26,036 --> 00:43:28,339
and the space program.

1457
00:43:28,339 --> 00:43:30,808
We started off very early...

1458
00:43:30,808 --> 00:43:31,909
I won't say ignorant--

1459
00:43:31,909 --> 00:43:34,111
what I'd say Hired Hands.

1460
00:43:34,111 --> 00:43:35,479
Basically, many times,

1461
00:43:35,479 --> 00:43:37,281
we'd arrive in Mission Control

1462
00:43:37,281 --> 00:43:38,582
without knowing each other

1463
00:43:38,582 --> 00:43:39,550
and we had not developed

1464
00:43:39,550 --> 00:43:41,752
what I'd say the relationships

1465
00:43:41,752 --> 00:43:44,688
to truly become a team.

1466
00:43:44,688 --> 00:43:45,856
As we continued to move

1467
00:43:45,856 --> 00:43:48,525
through the program however...

1468
00:43:48,525 --> 00:43:49,727
every controller,

1469
00:43:49,727 --> 00:43:51,061
every position was learning

1470
00:43:51,061 --> 00:43:51,895
by doing.

1471
00:43:51,895 --> 00:43:52,796
They were writing

1472
00:43:52,796 --> 00:43:53,697
the procedures,

1473
00:43:53,697 --> 00:43:54,798
developing the schematics,

1474
00:43:54,798 --> 00:43:56,300
that type stuff

1475
00:43:56,300 --> 00:43:57,768
and they would exchange this

1476
00:43:57,768 --> 00:43:59,436
with the other controllers.

1477
00:43:59,436 --> 00:44:00,904
We developed the ability

1478
00:44:00,904 --> 00:44:02,406
to work laterally and provide

1479
00:44:02,406 --> 00:44:03,640
integrated solutions

1480
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,275
to the problems.

1481
00:44:05,275 --> 00:44:06,443
Now this was-- this turned

1482
00:44:06,443 --> 00:44:08,345
to be very important in Apollo

1483
00:44:08,345 --> 00:44:10,748
and even the shuttle program

1484
00:44:10,748 --> 00:44:11,682
because between

1485
00:44:11,682 --> 00:44:12,583
the mission rules,

1486
00:44:12,583 --> 00:44:13,817
and the learning by doing,

1487
00:44:13,817 --> 00:44:15,185
developing a schematic,

1488
00:44:15,185 --> 00:44:16,320
writing the procedures,

1489
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,991
were able to help the program

1490
00:44:20,991 --> 00:44:22,659
through the change board process

1491
00:44:22,659 --> 00:44:24,061
and developing workarounds,

1492
00:44:24,061 --> 00:44:26,030
identified problems,

1493
00:44:26,030 --> 00:44:27,264
doing assessments for them.

1494
00:44:27,264 --> 00:44:30,267
So I think it's very important

1495
00:44:30,267 --> 00:44:32,102
early in this game

1496
00:44:32,102 --> 00:44:34,705
for the teams that are going

1497
00:44:34,705 --> 00:44:36,073
to be in Mission Control

1498
00:44:36,073 --> 00:44:38,208
writing these procedures

1499
00:44:38,208 --> 00:44:39,576
to basically provide

1500
00:44:39,576 --> 00:44:41,078
a check and balance upon

1501
00:44:41,078 --> 00:44:42,746
what the contractors are doing

1502
00:44:42,746 --> 00:44:44,548
through the mission rules,

1503
00:44:44,548 --> 00:44:45,949
self-study.

1504
00:44:45,949 --> 00:44:47,017
Basically, to acquire

1505
00:44:47,017 --> 00:44:48,652
the knowledge that is going

1506
00:44:48,652 --> 00:44:50,754
to give you the confidence

1507
00:44:50,754 --> 00:44:52,556
to speak out and say, hey,

1508
00:44:52,556 --> 00:44:53,657
I think we need to do

1509
00:44:53,657 --> 00:44:58,395
something different here.

1510
00:44:58,395 --> 00:45:01,165
>> I think all of us developed

1511
00:45:01,165 --> 00:45:02,132
as time went on,

1512
00:45:02,132 --> 00:45:04,501
a confidence,

1513
00:45:04,501 --> 00:45:06,470
and part of that was through

1514
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:07,204
the great--

1515
00:45:07,204 --> 00:45:08,338
I mentioned it earlier--

1516
00:45:08,338 --> 00:45:09,773
The great leadership

1517
00:45:09,773 --> 00:45:10,707
that we had.

1518
00:45:10,707 --> 00:45:12,342
They trusted us.

1519
00:45:12,342 --> 00:45:15,846
Um, our leaders,

1520
00:45:15,846 --> 00:45:17,581
pushed decisions down

1521
00:45:17,581 --> 00:45:21,418
in those days, down to where

1522
00:45:21,418 --> 00:45:23,454
the expertise was.

1523
00:45:23,454 --> 00:45:24,922
And we would brief them,

1524
00:45:24,922 --> 00:45:27,324
and they would, when we had

1525
00:45:27,324 --> 00:45:28,792
a big issue, like some

1526
00:45:28,792 --> 00:45:30,394
of the stuff on 13,

1527
00:45:30,394 --> 00:45:31,562
we would brief them

1528
00:45:31,562 --> 00:45:33,063
and they would say, uh,

1529
00:45:33,063 --> 00:45:34,731
their major answer was--

1530
00:45:34,731 --> 00:45:35,432
okay, how can we help--

1531
00:45:35,432 --> 00:45:37,201
how can we help you

1532
00:45:37,201 --> 00:45:39,269
get it done.

1533
00:45:39,269 --> 00:45:40,637
And we trusted the people

1534
00:45:40,637 --> 00:45:41,472
below us.

1535
00:45:41,472 --> 00:45:42,673
We had to, the flight directors,

1536
00:45:42,673 --> 00:45:45,209
I'm talking-- below us.

1537
00:45:45,209 --> 00:45:49,012
Um, so, to me, it--

1538
00:45:49,012 --> 00:45:52,216
it became kind of a definition

1539
00:45:52,216 --> 00:45:53,917
of what a real team was,

1540
00:45:53,917 --> 00:45:56,520
from top to bottom.

1541
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,657
Um, and it-it, uh--

1542
00:46:00,657 --> 00:46:02,993
it's really, really exposure

1543
00:46:02,993 --> 00:46:04,828
to what-- to take on

1544
00:46:04,828 --> 00:46:05,863
a difficult task

1545
00:46:05,863 --> 00:46:07,030
like we were doing,

1546
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:08,599
and I hope you've got

1547
00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:10,734
that same set up in Artemis.

1548
00:46:10,734 --> 00:46:13,837
Um, it takes the whole team.

1549
00:46:13,837 --> 00:46:17,241
You know, we almost lost

1550
00:46:17,241 --> 00:46:19,910
in that era the personal pronoun

1551
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:21,812
"I."

1552
00:46:21,812 --> 00:46:23,380
We used "we" all the time.

1553
00:46:23,380 --> 00:46:24,148
We're doing it tonight,

1554
00:46:24,148 --> 00:46:25,616
or this afternoon,

1555
00:46:25,616 --> 00:46:27,050
or wherever we are.

1556
00:46:27,050 --> 00:46:32,022
Uh, we, um, we seldom use

1557
00:46:32,022 --> 00:46:33,323
the personal pronoun "I,"

1558
00:46:33,323 --> 00:46:35,726
unless you said "I think."

1559
00:46:35,726 --> 00:46:37,227
But when we had a decision,

1560
00:46:37,227 --> 00:46:39,763
it was "we are gonna do it,"

1561
00:46:39,763 --> 00:46:41,131
or "we did it."

1562
00:46:41,131 --> 00:46:41,999
And it didn't make

1563
00:46:41,999 --> 00:46:42,900
any difference whether it was

1564
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:44,668
done by the astronauts

1565
00:46:44,668 --> 00:46:46,036
or done by somebody

1566
00:46:46,036 --> 00:46:46,937
at mission control.

1567
00:46:46,937 --> 00:46:47,938
It was "we,"

1568
00:46:47,938 --> 00:46:49,173
it was the team that did it.

1569
00:46:49,173 --> 00:46:51,542
So I think that team concept

1570
00:46:51,542 --> 00:46:53,377
just permeated through us.

1571
00:46:53,377 --> 00:46:54,645
>> Absolutely.

1572
00:46:54,645 --> 00:46:55,979
And I will say that

1573
00:46:55,979 --> 00:46:57,915
that is alive and well.

1574
00:46:57,915 --> 00:46:58,482
>> Good.

1575
00:46:58,482 --> 00:46:59,383
>> Alive and well.

1576
00:46:59,383 --> 00:47:01,018
>> So, Jessie, people want

1577
00:47:01,018 --> 00:47:02,186
to know, what was

1578
00:47:02,186 --> 00:47:03,887
your favorite moment personally

1579
00:47:03,887 --> 00:47:07,491
with this Artemis mission.

1580
00:47:07,491 --> 00:47:08,559
>> There were so many

1581
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:09,826
of them, it's hard to choose

1582
00:47:09,826 --> 00:47:11,028
just one.

1583
00:47:11,028 --> 00:47:12,396
But I think it was

1584
00:47:12,396 --> 00:47:14,765
the first time I was on console

1585
00:47:14,765 --> 00:47:16,333
for an orbit shift.

1586
00:47:16,333 --> 00:47:19,970
And we were maneuvering Orion

1587
00:47:19,970 --> 00:47:21,538
to take it its first

1588
00:47:21,538 --> 00:47:23,140
public affairs imagery shot

1589
00:47:23,140 --> 00:47:24,174
of the Earth.

1590
00:47:24,174 --> 00:47:26,476
And, I knew that there were

1591
00:47:26,476 --> 00:47:27,911
commands on the vehicle

1592
00:47:27,911 --> 00:47:30,581
that were from my team,

1593
00:47:30,581 --> 00:47:32,516
that were just about to execute,

1594
00:47:32,516 --> 00:47:34,451
and it was incredible

1595
00:47:34,451 --> 00:47:37,321
watching the time at which

1596
00:47:37,321 --> 00:47:38,488
the commands were supposed

1597
00:47:38,488 --> 00:47:40,290
to execute, there it goes.

1598
00:47:40,290 --> 00:47:41,725
And Orion starts maneuvering

1599
00:47:41,725 --> 00:47:43,227
to look at the Earth

1600
00:47:43,227 --> 00:47:45,529
and show the first shot

1601
00:47:45,529 --> 00:47:47,998
of the Earth from Orion.

1602
00:47:47,998 --> 00:47:48,899
So that was, I think,

1603
00:47:48,899 --> 00:47:49,900
my favorite moment.

1604
00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:51,068
There were, again, so many.

1605
00:47:51,068 --> 00:47:52,135
It's hard to choose,

1606
00:47:52,135 --> 00:47:53,337
but that was definitely

1607
00:47:53,337 --> 00:47:55,772
a highlight of my first shift.

1608
00:47:55,772 --> 00:47:57,708
>> Yeah, and if you haven't

1609
00:47:57,708 --> 00:47:59,810
seen the imagery from Orion,

1610
00:47:59,810 --> 00:48:02,479
please go to nasa.gov,

1611
00:48:02,479 --> 00:48:04,615
that's amazing imagery.

1612
00:48:04,615 --> 00:48:06,850
Same thing, I remember one day

1613
00:48:06,850 --> 00:48:09,019
I was in the control center,

1614
00:48:09,019 --> 00:48:10,854
and I just looked up,

1615
00:48:10,854 --> 00:48:12,055
and it was when we were doing

1616
00:48:12,055 --> 00:48:13,857
a close fly-by of the moon,

1617
00:48:13,857 --> 00:48:15,492
and I was like, "Oh, my gosh."

1618
00:48:15,492 --> 00:48:16,760
It's right there.

1619
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,495
[laughing]

1620
00:48:18,495 --> 00:48:19,763
We can just touch it.

1621
00:48:19,763 --> 00:48:21,665
Um, so let's see.

1622
00:48:21,665 --> 00:48:23,100
Like I said, there's a lot

1623
00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:25,035
of great questions coming in.

1624
00:48:25,035 --> 00:48:26,336
Um, let's see.

1625
00:48:26,336 --> 00:48:28,772
For Charlie, check your mic

1626
00:48:28,772 --> 00:48:31,308
and see if you can respond.

1627
00:48:31,308 --> 00:48:32,242
>> Uh, I wasn't hearing you,

1628
00:48:32,242 --> 00:48:33,076
but I was hearing

1629
00:48:33,076 --> 00:48:34,278
everybody else.

1630
00:48:34,278 --> 00:48:37,080
Uh, I hope you're hearing me.

1631
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:37,614
>> Okay.

1632
00:48:37,614 --> 00:48:38,615
So I can hear you now.

1633
00:48:38,615 --> 00:48:40,250
People want to know,

1634
00:48:40,250 --> 00:48:42,719
what did you like or not like

1635
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,521
about the lunar rover.

1636
00:48:44,521 --> 00:48:45,455
Was there something about

1637
00:48:45,455 --> 00:48:47,658
the rover itself?

1638
00:48:47,658 --> 00:48:49,526
>> The rover was

1639
00:48:49,526 --> 00:48:53,463
a wonderful, uh, machine.

1640
00:48:53,463 --> 00:48:55,299
For what it was designed for,

1641
00:48:55,299 --> 00:48:56,733
I thought it behaved

1642
00:48:56,733 --> 00:49:00,771
and performed, uh, admirably.

1643
00:49:00,771 --> 00:49:02,306
We had a few little glitches.

1644
00:49:02,306 --> 00:49:05,309
Apollo 15 had a problem

1645
00:49:05,309 --> 00:49:06,476
with the seatbelt,

1646
00:49:06,476 --> 00:49:08,645
so we redesigned the seatbelts,

1647
00:49:08,645 --> 00:49:10,547
uh, so that we could get

1648
00:49:10,547 --> 00:49:12,082
in and out easy.

1649
00:49:12,082 --> 00:49:13,216
Uh, easier.

1650
00:49:13,216 --> 00:49:17,621
And, uh, it--

1651
00:49:17,621 --> 00:49:18,989
with a four-wheel drive,

1652
00:49:18,989 --> 00:49:20,991
and, uh, double steering,

1653
00:49:20,991 --> 00:49:23,994
uh, we were amazing

1654
00:49:23,994 --> 00:49:25,696
at the performance of the, uh--

1655
00:49:25,696 --> 00:49:26,997
of the rover.

1656
00:49:26,997 --> 00:49:28,398
We were climbing

1657
00:49:28,398 --> 00:49:30,667
20 degree slopes and, uh,

1658
00:49:30,667 --> 00:49:33,603
and, uh, it was, uh,

1659
00:49:33,603 --> 00:49:35,005
a very stable-- it was

1660
00:49:35,005 --> 00:49:36,139
a little squirrely

1661
00:49:36,139 --> 00:49:37,107
on the steering

1662
00:49:37,107 --> 00:49:38,775
because it was so sensitive.

1663
00:49:38,775 --> 00:49:41,345
Uh, and we tended to skid

1664
00:49:41,345 --> 00:49:43,413
back and forth a lot.

1665
00:49:43,413 --> 00:49:47,951
Uh, and, um, we got

1666
00:49:47,951 --> 00:49:49,953
so confident in the rover

1667
00:49:49,953 --> 00:49:52,356
that, uh, our flight plan

1668
00:49:52,356 --> 00:49:53,557
called us to navigate

1669
00:49:53,557 --> 00:49:55,158
a maneuver at about five--

1670
00:49:55,158 --> 00:49:58,729
uh, five kilometers an hour,

1671
00:49:58,729 --> 00:50:00,464
maybe a little bit faster,

1672
00:50:00,464 --> 00:50:02,332
but coming off the hills

1673
00:50:02,332 --> 00:50:05,402
in both 17 and 16,

1674
00:50:05,402 --> 00:50:06,269
we've done-- we've done

1675
00:50:06,269 --> 00:50:08,372
most of it-- the driver,

1676
00:50:08,372 --> 00:50:10,006
he did a fantastic job,

1677
00:50:10,006 --> 00:50:11,908
and I was the navigator.

1678
00:50:11,908 --> 00:50:14,077
And she came down the mountain.

1679
00:50:14,077 --> 00:50:16,113
We were all still high on the--

1680
00:50:16,113 --> 00:50:19,883
on the speedometer,

1681
00:50:19,883 --> 00:50:21,852
so both 16 and 17 had

1682
00:50:21,852 --> 00:50:23,987
that experience, so we both

1683
00:50:23,987 --> 00:50:25,856
claimed the moon speed record

1684
00:50:25,856 --> 00:50:26,590
on the--

1685
00:50:26,590 --> 00:50:27,624
[laughing]

1686
00:50:27,624 --> 00:50:28,992
both the flights.

1687
00:50:28,992 --> 00:50:30,594
Yeah, it was all still high,

1688
00:50:30,594 --> 00:50:31,895
so we were going at least

1689
00:50:31,895 --> 00:50:33,864
17 kilometers an hour.

1690
00:50:33,864 --> 00:50:35,031
[laughing]

1691
00:50:35,031 --> 00:50:37,734
It was bouncy.

1692
00:50:37,734 --> 00:50:40,904
To me, one of the wisest things

1693
00:50:40,904 --> 00:50:42,406
they did was to give

1694
00:50:42,406 --> 00:50:43,840
the control of the TV

1695
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,475
to mission control.

1696
00:50:45,475 --> 00:50:46,843
So all we had to do

1697
00:50:46,843 --> 00:50:48,678
was turn it on and not worry

1698
00:50:48,678 --> 00:50:51,948
about pointing this thing

1699
00:50:51,948 --> 00:50:53,250
to keep track of--

1700
00:50:53,250 --> 00:50:54,618
we were really busy,

1701
00:50:54,618 --> 00:50:56,319
everybody's busy up there.

1702
00:50:56,319 --> 00:50:58,855
And, uh, getting in and out

1703
00:50:58,855 --> 00:51:02,125
of the rover was, uh...

1704
00:51:02,125 --> 00:51:03,693
not easy, but, uh, not hard--

1705
00:51:03,693 --> 00:51:04,895
not really hard, either.

1706
00:51:04,895 --> 00:51:06,797
And so we had so much storage

1707
00:51:06,797 --> 00:51:07,798
and everything like it.

1708
00:51:07,798 --> 00:51:10,967
I didn't have any major, uh,

1709
00:51:10,967 --> 00:51:13,236
trouble with-with the design

1710
00:51:13,236 --> 00:51:14,404
or the rover.

1711
00:51:14,404 --> 00:51:18,875
It was, uh, remarkably good

1712
00:51:18,875 --> 00:51:20,844
for what it was designed

1713
00:51:20,844 --> 00:51:22,179
to do, and that was carry

1714
00:51:22,179 --> 00:51:23,480
two people around the moon

1715
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,248
and all the stuff that we had

1716
00:51:25,248 --> 00:51:26,550
to carry.

1717
00:51:26,550 --> 00:51:28,518
So Marshall and the contractors

1718
00:51:28,518 --> 00:51:31,087
did a great job designing that.

1719
00:51:31,087 --> 00:51:32,989
And, uh, we appreciated

1720
00:51:32,989 --> 00:51:35,358
the, uh, the effort they all

1721
00:51:35,358 --> 00:51:37,394
put into it.

1722
00:51:37,394 --> 00:51:40,564
It was fun.

1723
00:51:40,564 --> 00:51:42,098
>> Awesome, so like I said,

1724
00:51:42,098 --> 00:51:43,433
there's lots of questions,

1725
00:51:43,433 --> 00:51:44,234
but here's one from

1726
00:51:44,234 --> 00:51:45,302
a high schooler,

1727
00:51:45,302 --> 00:51:48,438
and the high schooler says,

1728
00:51:48,438 --> 00:51:49,739
"What can I do to take

1729
00:51:49,739 --> 00:51:51,374
my passion of learning

1730
00:51:51,374 --> 00:51:53,176
about space, and turn it

1731
00:51:53,176 --> 00:51:56,313
into a career?"

1732
00:51:56,313 --> 00:51:56,780
I'm gonna shoot that

1733
00:51:56,780 --> 00:51:57,814
to you, Reid.

1734
00:51:57,814 --> 00:51:58,648
So if I'm a high schooler--

1735
00:51:58,648 --> 00:52:00,150
He wants to know, um,

1736
00:52:00,150 --> 00:52:01,485
he or she wants to know

1737
00:52:01,485 --> 00:52:02,853
what they can do to take

1738
00:52:02,853 --> 00:52:04,254
my passion of learning

1739
00:52:04,254 --> 00:52:05,822
about space and turn it

1740
00:52:05,822 --> 00:52:07,324
into a career.

1741
00:52:07,324 --> 00:52:08,191
>> I'll start that one,

1742
00:52:08,191 --> 00:52:09,025
but then I'm gonna hand it off

1743
00:52:09,025 --> 00:52:10,060
to our two other Artemis

1744
00:52:10,060 --> 00:52:11,361
generation folks.

1745
00:52:11,361 --> 00:52:13,497
Um, this is an amazing time

1746
00:52:13,497 --> 00:52:16,666
where you can take that passion

1747
00:52:16,666 --> 00:52:18,001
anywhere you want.

1748
00:52:18,001 --> 00:52:20,470
Um, if I was-- if I was

1749
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:21,505
in high school right now

1750
00:52:21,505 --> 00:52:22,906
and I had found that passion,

1751
00:52:22,906 --> 00:52:23,940
I'd be trying to get

1752
00:52:23,940 --> 00:52:26,109
an internship at NASA.

1753
00:52:26,109 --> 00:52:27,777
I'd be looking at where

1754
00:52:27,777 --> 00:52:29,112
I want to go to college.

1755
00:52:29,112 --> 00:52:30,413
I'd be working on some sort

1756
00:52:30,413 --> 00:52:31,548
of technical degree.

1757
00:52:31,548 --> 00:52:33,884
Um, and then, from there,

1758
00:52:33,884 --> 00:52:35,085
there's just so many

1759
00:52:35,085 --> 00:52:36,520
opportunities-- SpaceX,

1760
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:37,320
Boeing, Lockheed,

1761
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,756
Blue Origin. You name it.

1762
00:52:39,756 --> 00:52:40,590
Virgin Galactic.

1763
00:52:40,590 --> 00:52:41,758
There's just so many outlets

1764
00:52:41,758 --> 00:52:44,895
right now that you can go--

1765
00:52:44,895 --> 00:52:46,429
you can go apply yourself in.

1766
00:52:46,429 --> 00:52:48,698
And then, who knows, your life

1767
00:52:48,698 --> 00:52:49,666
might take a little bit

1768
00:52:49,666 --> 00:52:50,767
of a curve somewhere in there

1769
00:52:50,767 --> 00:52:52,502
and you may find a new passion

1770
00:52:52,502 --> 00:52:54,170
along that road that takes you

1771
00:52:54,170 --> 00:52:55,739
into some real specific

1772
00:52:55,739 --> 00:52:57,374
technical job that you change

1773
00:52:57,374 --> 00:52:59,109
the entire world, and that's--

1774
00:52:59,109 --> 00:53:00,610
I mean, that's-that's

1775
00:53:00,610 --> 00:53:01,711
a potential outcome

1776
00:53:01,711 --> 00:53:02,512
of all of that.

1777
00:53:02,512 --> 00:53:04,080
How about the NASA track?

1778
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:05,015
What should they do

1779
00:53:05,015 --> 00:53:06,516
for the NASA track?

1780
00:53:06,516 --> 00:53:07,517
I think you covered a lot

1781
00:53:07,517 --> 00:53:08,652
of it, so if I put

1782
00:53:08,652 --> 00:53:10,253
my supervisor hat on,

1783
00:53:10,253 --> 00:53:11,922
and sitting on panels,

1784
00:53:11,922 --> 00:53:13,723
we need-- we need a lot

1785
00:53:13,723 --> 00:53:15,659
of talent, um, that is

1786
00:53:15,659 --> 00:53:16,860
looking at science,

1787
00:53:16,860 --> 00:53:17,961
technology, engineering

1788
00:53:17,961 --> 00:53:20,263
and math related career fields.

1789
00:53:20,263 --> 00:53:21,398
And so like you had mentioned,

1790
00:53:21,398 --> 00:53:24,167
one of our key ways that we hire

1791
00:53:24,167 --> 00:53:26,169
into NASA directly is through

1792
00:53:26,169 --> 00:53:28,204
the pathways internship program.

1793
00:53:28,204 --> 00:53:29,839
And so I strongly encourage

1794
00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:31,174
that-- it's an opportunity

1795
00:53:31,174 --> 00:53:32,175
for you to internship

1796
00:53:32,175 --> 00:53:33,510
with NASA.

1797
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:34,878
You do several rotations,

1798
00:53:34,878 --> 00:53:36,212
from flight operations

1799
00:53:36,212 --> 00:53:38,081
to the engineering directorate,

1800
00:53:38,081 --> 00:53:39,616
to human factors.

1801
00:53:39,616 --> 00:53:40,951
There's so many opportunities

1802
00:53:40,951 --> 00:53:42,152
for you to experience it,

1803
00:53:42,152 --> 00:53:43,420
and to see whether or not

1804
00:53:43,420 --> 00:53:45,655
you like it, and if you do,

1805
00:53:45,655 --> 00:53:49,092
then it would be a great path

1806
00:53:49,092 --> 00:53:51,361
directly for hiring, but we

1807
00:53:51,361 --> 00:53:52,629
also have a very talented

1808
00:53:52,629 --> 00:53:54,230
contractor workforce as well.

1809
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:56,166
And they have internships.

1810
00:53:56,166 --> 00:53:57,434
So we have Boeing,

1811
00:53:57,434 --> 00:53:58,468
we have Lockheed Martin,

1812
00:53:58,468 --> 00:54:00,003
we have KDR, we have Jacobs.

1813
00:54:00,003 --> 00:54:02,539
And you know, way--

1814
00:54:02,539 --> 00:54:03,406
a lot-- a lot more,

1815
00:54:03,406 --> 00:54:04,908
and so that's-- that's where

1816
00:54:04,908 --> 00:54:06,042
I would encourage that you

1817
00:54:06,042 --> 00:54:07,577
explore that, is to reach out

1818
00:54:07,577 --> 00:54:09,145
to the pathways, and look up

1819
00:54:09,145 --> 00:54:10,146
pathways intern--

1820
00:54:10,146 --> 00:54:12,115
we also have several internship

1821
00:54:12,115 --> 00:54:13,550
opportunities as well

1822
00:54:13,550 --> 00:54:14,851
that we also bring in.

1823
00:54:14,851 --> 00:54:17,454
So...

1824
00:54:17,454 --> 00:54:18,855
>> Okay.

1825
00:54:18,855 --> 00:54:20,790
>> I will just add that

1826
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:22,959
you have a passion for a reason

1827
00:54:22,959 --> 00:54:23,727
and follow it.

1828
00:54:23,727 --> 00:54:24,861
Um, that's what I did

1829
00:54:24,861 --> 00:54:25,629
as a little girl

1830
00:54:25,629 --> 00:54:26,162
sitting here.

1831
00:54:26,162 --> 00:54:27,063
I was seven years old

1832
00:54:27,063 --> 00:54:28,765
and I saw the white

1833
00:54:28,765 --> 00:54:31,067
flight control room on a tour,

1834
00:54:31,067 --> 00:54:32,035
from Space Center Houston,

1835
00:54:32,035 --> 00:54:34,270
and that just sparked

1836
00:54:34,270 --> 00:54:35,538
everything for me.

1837
00:54:35,538 --> 00:54:37,140
So follow your passions,

1838
00:54:37,140 --> 00:54:38,375
follow your dreams,

1839
00:54:38,375 --> 00:54:39,442
and they can lead to

1840
00:54:39,442 --> 00:54:40,243
somewhere amazing.

1841
00:54:40,243 --> 00:54:42,045
I just flew a spaceship

1842
00:54:42,045 --> 00:54:43,847
around the moon from

1843
00:54:43,847 --> 00:54:44,848
that very flight control room

1844
00:54:44,848 --> 00:54:46,049
that I saw as a little girl.

1845
00:54:46,049 --> 00:54:46,983
So...

1846
00:54:46,983 --> 00:54:49,085
[applause]

1847
00:54:49,085 --> 00:54:52,188
Thank you.

1848
00:54:52,188 --> 00:54:53,990
>> Gene.

1849
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:55,291
>> Jen, I want to talk to

1850
00:54:55,291 --> 00:54:58,028
the, uh, young people.

1851
00:54:58,028 --> 00:54:58,895
I'll give them a few words,

1852
00:54:58,895 --> 00:55:00,030
dream, aim high,

1853
00:55:00,030 --> 00:55:01,564
and never surrender.

1854
00:55:01,564 --> 00:55:03,900
And I think the key thing is,

1855
00:55:03,900 --> 00:55:05,301
no matter what you're doing

1856
00:55:05,301 --> 00:55:06,836
in life, school [indistinct],

1857
00:55:06,836 --> 00:55:08,204
you're gonna run into

1858
00:55:08,204 --> 00:55:09,139
bottlenecks,

1859
00:55:09,139 --> 00:55:10,173
you're gonna run into times

1860
00:55:10,173 --> 00:55:12,275
when you are just tempted

1861
00:55:12,275 --> 00:55:14,177
to just quit right on down

1862
00:55:14,177 --> 00:55:15,679
the line.

1863
00:55:15,679 --> 00:55:16,946
And I think the key thing

1864
00:55:16,946 --> 00:55:18,815
is to continue growing.

1865
00:55:18,815 --> 00:55:21,384
Uh, always set your goal high,

1866
00:55:21,384 --> 00:55:23,420
and then once you reach

1867
00:55:23,420 --> 00:55:24,788
that goal, move it a bit higher

1868
00:55:24,788 --> 00:55:26,990
and continue this process

1869
00:55:26,990 --> 00:55:29,626
of growing, and learning

1870
00:55:29,626 --> 00:55:30,760
throughout your entire life.

1871
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,729
And I think that's the thing

1872
00:55:32,729 --> 00:55:34,097
that was really key

1873
00:55:34,097 --> 00:55:35,231
to our success

1874
00:55:35,231 --> 00:55:36,399
in mission control.

1875
00:55:36,399 --> 00:55:38,068
We never stopped accepting

1876
00:55:38,068 --> 00:55:40,203
the challenge to continue

1877
00:55:40,203 --> 00:55:44,674
growing and being better.

1878
00:55:44,674 --> 00:55:45,608
>> Yeah.

1879
00:55:45,608 --> 00:55:47,577
[applause]

1880
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:51,281
So, I'm being told we're

1881
00:55:51,281 --> 00:55:52,916
gonna have to wrap,

1882
00:55:52,916 --> 00:55:54,851
and I know everyone

1883
00:55:54,851 --> 00:55:57,087
still had lots more questions.

1884
00:55:57,087 --> 00:55:59,522
And so, um, just thank you all

1885
00:55:59,522 --> 00:56:01,758
for the questions, but I want

1886
00:56:01,758 --> 00:56:03,426
to thank our panelists.

1887
00:56:03,426 --> 00:56:04,260
I want to thank

1888
00:56:04,260 --> 00:56:06,296
our Artemis generation

1889
00:56:06,296 --> 00:56:08,198
for being here and sharing

1890
00:56:08,198 --> 00:56:10,633
your experiences over

1891
00:56:10,633 --> 00:56:12,502
the past month, and everything

1892
00:56:12,502 --> 00:56:13,503
that's going forward,

1893
00:56:13,503 --> 00:56:15,605
but I want to acknowledge

1894
00:56:15,605 --> 00:56:16,473
and especially thank

1895
00:56:16,473 --> 00:56:18,374
our Apollo generation.

1896
00:56:18,374 --> 00:56:20,110
The panelists that are here.

1897
00:56:20,110 --> 00:56:21,277
I see people from

1898
00:56:21,277 --> 00:56:22,445
the Apollo generation

1899
00:56:22,445 --> 00:56:24,280
in our audience as well,

1900
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,216
and I want to let you guys know

1901
00:56:26,216 --> 00:56:29,385
that we truly appreciate

1902
00:56:29,385 --> 00:56:30,854
everything, everything

1903
00:56:30,854 --> 00:56:33,189
that you did to set us

1904
00:56:33,189 --> 00:56:34,958
on the course for now,

1905
00:56:34,958 --> 00:56:35,892
returning to the moon,

1906
00:56:35,892 --> 00:56:38,194
and going forward.

1907
00:56:38,194 --> 00:56:39,195
So just thank you,

1908
00:56:39,195 --> 00:56:41,064
thank you, thank you.

1909
00:56:41,064 --> 00:56:42,966
And Charlie, thank you

1910
00:56:42,966 --> 00:56:44,400
for joining us remotely

1911
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:45,969
and sharing

1912
00:56:45,969 --> 00:56:47,437
your wonderful stories with us.

1913
00:56:47,437 --> 00:56:52,675
[applause]

1914
00:56:52,675 --> 00:56:53,576
>> I just want to add,

1915
00:56:53,576 --> 00:56:54,577
I think we all should give

1916
00:56:54,577 --> 00:56:55,612
a round of applause to

1917
00:56:55,612 --> 00:56:57,080
Vanessa White for serving

1918
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:58,181
as our moderator today

1919
00:56:58,181 --> 00:56:59,949
and doing such a great job.

1920
00:56:59,949 --> 00:57:03,787
[applause]

1921
00:57:03,787 --> 00:57:04,754
And also for her leadership.

1922
00:57:04,754 --> 00:57:06,589
As we conclude today,

1923
00:57:06,589 --> 00:57:07,524
I want to call your attention

1924
00:57:07,524 --> 00:57:09,526
to the flag that's on exhibit.

1925
00:57:09,526 --> 00:57:10,794
This is part of the collection

1926
00:57:10,794 --> 00:57:11,861
at Space Center Houston.

1927
00:57:11,861 --> 00:57:13,229
That flag actually traveled

1928
00:57:13,229 --> 00:57:14,697
on Apollo 17 to

1929
00:57:14,697 --> 00:57:15,899
the lunar surface.

1930
00:57:15,899 --> 00:57:17,133
And so it's one

1931
00:57:17,133 --> 00:57:18,334
of our prize artifacts,

1932
00:57:18,334 --> 00:57:19,402
so I encourage you to take

1933
00:57:19,402 --> 00:57:20,236
a picture with it

1934
00:57:20,236 --> 00:57:21,337
so you have a memento,

1935
00:57:21,337 --> 00:57:22,272
but you'll be able to see it

1936
00:57:22,272 --> 00:57:23,907
in our starship gallery

1937
00:57:23,907 --> 00:57:25,642
where we have America on Exhibit

1938
00:57:25,642 --> 00:57:26,876
along with the vest

1939
00:57:26,876 --> 00:57:28,011
that Gene Kranz wore

1940
00:57:28,011 --> 00:57:29,045
for that launch.

1941
00:57:29,045 --> 00:57:30,513
Thank you again for

1942
00:57:30,513 --> 00:57:31,514
joining us and have

1943
00:57:31,514 --> 00:57:32,682
a great rest of the day.

1944
00:57:32,682 --> 00:57:37,720
[applause]