1 00:01:23,783 --> 00:01:25,885 You were looking live at the Artemis II Space 2 00:01:25,885 --> 00:01:29,372 Launch System rocket and Orion spacecraft in the Vehicle Assembly Building. 3 00:01:29,823 --> 00:01:32,826 Today, we are joined by agency leadership to discuss the Artemis 4 00:01:32,876 --> 00:01:35,879 II mission and the next steps for the entire Artemis campaign. 5 00:01:36,813 --> 00:01:39,415 Good morning, and welcome to NASA's Kennedy Space Center. 6 00:01:39,415 --> 00:01:42,085 I'm George Alderman, NASA's deputy press secretary, 7 00:01:42,085 --> 00:01:44,971 and I'll be moderating today's news conference. 8 00:01:44,971 --> 00:01:48,691 I'm joined by NASA Administrator Jared Isaacman, associate administrator 9 00:01:48,691 --> 00:01:52,145 Amit Kshatriya, and Moon to Mars program manager Lori Glaze. 10 00:01:52,946 --> 00:01:56,216 Today, we'll be taking questions both in person and through our phone bridge. 11 00:01:56,466 --> 00:01:58,501 So media interested in asking a question? 12 00:01:58,501 --> 00:02:01,437 Please press star One to enter the queue. 13 00:02:01,437 --> 00:02:04,440 And now we'll begin with opening remarks for Administrator Isaacman. 14 00:02:05,525 --> 00:02:06,493 Thank you very much George. 15 00:02:06,493 --> 00:02:08,828 Good morning everyone. Appreciate it. 16 00:02:08,828 --> 00:02:10,830 Good morning. Appreciate everyone coming out. 17 00:02:11,965 --> 00:02:14,033 We're seeing each other a lot lately. 18 00:02:14,033 --> 00:02:16,085 Lots of updates. 19 00:02:16,085 --> 00:02:19,088 Expect more of it. 20 00:02:19,506 --> 00:02:21,758 First I just want to, 21 00:02:21,758 --> 00:02:24,661 give a lot of credit to, the NASA workforce 22 00:02:24,661 --> 00:02:28,014 and our partners that have been working really tirelessly through, 23 00:02:29,098 --> 00:02:31,267 the Artemis campaign. 24 00:02:31,267 --> 00:02:34,437 It's really, especially impressive work. 25 00:02:34,437 --> 00:02:38,374 And, and I know they're all feeling it after we had what was a near-flawless 26 00:02:38,374 --> 00:02:39,742 wet dress to performance. 27 00:02:39,742 --> 00:02:43,046 That Artemis two is now back, in the 28 00:02:43,163 --> 00:02:46,266 in the vehicle assembly building, which is, which is imperfect. 29 00:02:46,266 --> 00:02:49,502 So, we want to give you two sets of updates. 30 00:02:50,336 --> 00:02:52,972 So, Lori is going to speak with you about what 31 00:02:52,972 --> 00:02:56,009 we're learning about Artemis two now that it is back in the VAB 32 00:02:56,459 --> 00:03:00,263 and what our path is, back out to the pad to launch this historic mission. 33 00:03:00,263 --> 00:03:05,068 But before that, I'd like to talk a little bit about, the overall Artemis program, 34 00:03:05,818 --> 00:03:08,788 how we're going to achieve the president's objective to return American astronauts 35 00:03:08,788 --> 00:03:11,858 to the moon, to build an enduring presence and ideally, not, 36 00:03:12,275 --> 00:03:15,595 wind up in some of the situations that we've seen recently. 37 00:03:15,595 --> 00:03:17,797 So let's talk about let's talk about the situation. 38 00:03:17,797 --> 00:03:21,484 Artemis one launched, more than three years ago. 39 00:03:22,385 --> 00:03:24,637 We had helium leaks with Artemis one. 40 00:03:24,637 --> 00:03:26,639 I'm sorry. We had hydrogen leaks with Artemis one. 41 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,108 We had helium flow issues with Artemis one. 42 00:03:29,108 --> 00:03:31,194 Artemis two went out to the pad Watrous. 43 00:03:31,194 --> 00:03:33,663 One, we had helium or we had hydrogen leaks. 44 00:03:34,614 --> 00:03:35,014 And then 45 00:03:35,014 --> 00:03:38,768 after a second wet dress where we we made a lot of, great progress, 46 00:03:38,768 --> 00:03:41,754 we wound up with helium flow issues, a lot of similarities 47 00:03:42,005 --> 00:03:44,724 between the two. 48 00:03:44,724 --> 00:03:47,493 And why, and why is that essentially the case? 49 00:03:47,493 --> 00:03:50,697 Look, three plus year launch cadence. 50 00:03:51,214 --> 00:03:52,565 I mean, Artemis three right now 51 00:03:52,565 --> 00:03:56,135 is it's currently designed, won't fly for approximately another three years. 52 00:03:56,436 --> 00:03:58,922 So launching, a rocket is important. 53 00:03:58,922 --> 00:04:00,473 And this complex is SLS. 54 00:04:00,473 --> 00:04:03,059 Every three years is not a path to success. 55 00:04:03,059 --> 00:04:05,695 A component of that is when you are launching every three years, 56 00:04:05,695 --> 00:04:08,698 your skills atrophy, you lose muscle memory. 57 00:04:08,731 --> 00:04:11,784 We've got a lot of really talented folks that have been working hard on the Artemis 58 00:04:11,884 --> 00:04:15,355 two campaign, and, you know, whether they're going to want to stick around 59 00:04:15,355 --> 00:04:19,142 for three more years after this mission is complete is, is a question mark. 60 00:04:19,142 --> 00:04:22,412 This is just not the right pathway, forward. 61 00:04:22,412 --> 00:04:23,663 And I'd say also, 62 00:04:23,663 --> 00:04:27,216 when you are experiencing some of the same issues between, between 63 00:04:27,216 --> 00:04:27,750 launches, you're 64 00:04:27,750 --> 00:04:31,254 probably got to take a close look at, your process for remediation. 65 00:04:31,254 --> 00:04:34,741 Are you truly getting the technical root cause or are you getting close to it? 66 00:04:35,041 --> 00:04:38,194 So, we've got issues with low flight rate. 67 00:04:39,712 --> 00:04:43,199 And I would say, a great way to exasperate 68 00:04:43,199 --> 00:04:47,670 that problem further is to start making, changes to vehicle configuration. 69 00:04:48,087 --> 00:04:49,622 SLS is a very impressive vehicle. 70 00:04:49,622 --> 00:04:52,625 We don't want to turn every one of them into a work of art. 71 00:04:52,925 --> 00:04:57,096 And then I would also say that, having very, big objectives, 72 00:04:57,330 --> 00:05:01,567 a wide objective gap between missions is also not a pathway to success. 73 00:05:01,567 --> 00:05:04,854 So we didn't go right to Apollo 11, right? 74 00:05:04,854 --> 00:05:08,675 We had a whole Mercury program, Gemini, Apollo, lots of Apollo missions 75 00:05:08,675 --> 00:05:10,193 before we ultimately landed. 76 00:05:10,193 --> 00:05:12,128 Right now, our program is essentially set up 77 00:05:12,128 --> 00:05:14,881 with an Apollo eight and then going right to the moon. 78 00:05:14,881 --> 00:05:18,217 And that is that is, again, not a pathway to success. 79 00:05:18,217 --> 00:05:19,736 So what is the right way forward here? 80 00:05:19,736 --> 00:05:23,873 So first, today we're, announcing a standardization of the, 81 00:05:24,357 --> 00:05:27,877 SLS fleet to what we'll call essentially a near block one configuration. 82 00:05:27,877 --> 00:05:31,014 So the idea is we want to reduce complexity a great extent possible. 83 00:05:31,314 --> 00:05:32,215 We want to, 84 00:05:33,383 --> 00:05:35,168 accelerate manufacturing, 85 00:05:35,168 --> 00:05:37,954 pull in the hardware, 86 00:05:37,954 --> 00:05:40,139 and increase launch rate, which of which 87 00:05:40,139 --> 00:05:44,043 obviously has a direct safety, you know, consideration to it as well. 88 00:05:44,077 --> 00:05:46,763 You get into a good rhythm, launching, great frequency. 89 00:05:46,763 --> 00:05:49,232 You get that muscle memory. 90 00:05:49,232 --> 00:05:51,117 In order to do that, 91 00:05:51,117 --> 00:05:54,570 we need to rebuild and strengthen the workforce here at NASA. 92 00:05:54,570 --> 00:05:55,688 Now, this is directly in line 93 00:05:55,688 --> 00:05:58,674 with a workforce directive that I released several weeks ago. 94 00:05:59,042 --> 00:06:03,029 We have to rebuild core competencies, the ability to turn around our launch pads 95 00:06:03,296 --> 00:06:07,350 and launch, with frequency greater than every three years is imperative. 96 00:06:07,984 --> 00:06:10,653 Now, some people ask me questions on that already, as, 97 00:06:10,653 --> 00:06:13,523 as we've talked about this and so, like, how are we going to do that, 98 00:06:13,523 --> 00:06:16,476 how we can go from three years to something significantly less to what 99 00:06:16,476 --> 00:06:18,878 I think should actually be inside of one year? 100 00:06:18,878 --> 00:06:21,631 And I'll point you out, point you to our history. 101 00:06:21,631 --> 00:06:24,967 We have a nice infographic that's coming out from Mercury, Gemini, 102 00:06:24,967 --> 00:06:26,853 Apollo through the shuttle program. 103 00:06:26,853 --> 00:06:29,105 I don't think it would surprise many of the folks in the room 104 00:06:29,105 --> 00:06:32,108 that our average launch cadence was closer to three months 105 00:06:32,225 --> 00:06:34,977 throughout all those programs, not three years. 106 00:06:34,977 --> 00:06:37,647 In fact, if you want a history tidbit, 107 00:06:37,647 --> 00:06:39,816 you look at the time when Apollo seven splashed down 108 00:06:39,816 --> 00:06:42,819 to when Apollo eight launched is approximately two months apart, 109 00:06:43,236 --> 00:06:45,805 we need to start getting back to basics and moving in this direction. 110 00:06:45,805 --> 00:06:50,243 So rebuilding the civil servant workforce and restoring core capabilities again, 111 00:06:50,243 --> 00:06:54,097 that will directly, contribute to NASA's launch cadence, where we're going 112 00:06:54,097 --> 00:06:55,948 to, endeavor to get our launches 113 00:06:55,948 --> 00:06:59,769 inside of a year, specifically down to potentially ten months. 114 00:07:00,987 --> 00:07:01,921 And then, 115 00:07:01,921 --> 00:07:05,575 we are going to add missions, in fact, are we are essentially going to, 116 00:07:05,792 --> 00:07:11,013 pull in Artemis three to launch in 2027 with a revised mission profile. 117 00:07:11,013 --> 00:07:16,052 So instead of going directly to a lunar landing, we will endeavor 118 00:07:16,052 --> 00:07:20,490 to rendezvous in low-Earth orbit with one or both of our lunar landers. 119 00:07:21,257 --> 00:07:23,793 Test out integrated operations between Orion 120 00:07:23,793 --> 00:07:26,796 and the landers ecosystems. 121 00:07:26,946 --> 00:07:29,999 You know, even to to the if even to the extent possible, 122 00:07:30,266 --> 00:07:34,086 if we can get up development components of our Eva suits to test out 123 00:07:34,086 --> 00:07:37,740 vehicle interfaces, even just getting an astronaut in a suit, microgravity. 124 00:07:37,740 --> 00:07:40,743 We can learn a lot with the idea that we should be learning, 125 00:07:41,194 --> 00:07:44,197 and take this information back to inform, 126 00:07:44,514 --> 00:07:47,216 hardware development, whether it's in the the landers 127 00:07:47,216 --> 00:07:51,721 or in the suits before Artemis four, where we will attempt to land on the moon. 128 00:07:52,839 --> 00:07:55,825 We are also, as a component of the strategy, 129 00:07:57,326 --> 00:07:58,861 endeavoring to, 130 00:07:58,861 --> 00:08:02,248 preserve up to two landing attempts in 2028. 131 00:08:02,248 --> 00:08:05,701 So if we get inside of the ten month turnaround time that we would like to see, 132 00:08:06,302 --> 00:08:10,323 Artemis two will launch on its historic mission in the weeks ahead, Artemis 133 00:08:10,406 --> 00:08:14,393 three will have its opportunity, if we can by by mid 2027, 134 00:08:14,677 --> 00:08:19,015 which sets us up for an early 28, and a late 28 opportunity. 135 00:08:20,466 --> 00:08:24,270 So, that is, the approach that we are taking at a very high level. 136 00:08:24,270 --> 00:08:27,273 I will tell you, we didn't, we're not surprising, 137 00:08:27,306 --> 00:08:31,978 our, industry or our stakeholders, at this at this press conference right now. 138 00:08:31,978 --> 00:08:33,963 We've been having these discussions for a long time. 139 00:08:33,963 --> 00:08:36,415 In fact, I give a lot of credit to NASA and its team. 140 00:08:37,500 --> 00:08:40,436 You know, they and no one at NASA forgot their history books. 141 00:08:40,436 --> 00:08:41,521 They knew how to do this. 142 00:08:41,521 --> 00:08:44,040 They've had plans like this for a long time now. 143 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:45,057 We're putting it in action. 144 00:08:45,057 --> 00:08:48,144 We had a chance to have these discussions across all of our industry 145 00:08:48,144 --> 00:08:51,147 partners, all of the prime contractors on the SLS vehicle, 146 00:08:51,931 --> 00:08:55,017 both of our, HLS landing providers. 147 00:08:55,017 --> 00:08:57,720 Everybody agrees this is the only way forward. 148 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,173 And I'll say, had similar conversations with all our stakeholders in Congress, 149 00:09:01,173 --> 00:09:04,477 and they're fully behind NASA in this, in this approach. 150 00:09:05,878 --> 00:09:08,164 They know this is how NASA changed the world 151 00:09:08,164 --> 00:09:10,082 and this is how NASA is going to do it again. 152 00:09:10,082 --> 00:09:11,617 With that, I'll hand over to Amit. 153 00:09:11,617 --> 00:09:13,553 Thank you sir. 154 00:09:13,553 --> 00:09:16,172 Let's see the the path forward that the administrator laid out, 155 00:09:16,172 --> 00:09:16,989 I think is pretty clear. 156 00:09:16,989 --> 00:09:18,224 It reduces risk. 157 00:09:18,224 --> 00:09:20,876 It strengthens our ability to execute these missions. 158 00:09:20,876 --> 00:09:22,328 And and a campaign ahead of us. 159 00:09:23,312 --> 00:09:24,330 It it reflects 160 00:09:24,330 --> 00:09:27,383 the adjustments that we need to keep our schedule credible. 161 00:09:27,383 --> 00:09:30,503 And, and our teams focus on what matters most, which is safe and achievable. 162 00:09:30,503 --> 00:09:31,988 Missions. 163 00:09:31,988 --> 00:09:34,924 And also, I think it's important that we talk a little bit 164 00:09:34,924 --> 00:09:36,058 about the Artemis two crew. 165 00:09:36,058 --> 00:09:37,109 This is for them 166 00:09:37,109 --> 00:09:37,977 also when, when, 167 00:09:37,977 --> 00:09:41,280 when they get on top of that rocket, they need to know that they're doing it 168 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,734 as part of a step and a part, as part of a plan that's going to work 169 00:09:45,151 --> 00:09:47,453 that they have said many times, they're doing this mission 170 00:09:47,453 --> 00:09:49,705 so that their teammates can walk on the moon. 171 00:09:49,705 --> 00:09:51,924 They need to know that they're going to get on top of that rocket 172 00:09:51,924 --> 00:09:54,660 so that we and we're going to give them a plan for the rest of their team. 173 00:09:54,660 --> 00:09:56,662 That's going to be a sign that's going to go do this work 174 00:09:56,662 --> 00:09:58,447 to actually get to the moon. 175 00:09:58,447 --> 00:10:01,434 So our update today reinforces that commitment to them 176 00:10:01,901 --> 00:10:03,069 when we asked them to take that risk. 177 00:10:03,069 --> 00:10:06,055 When we take that risk together, that they're doing it for a reason. 178 00:10:06,305 --> 00:10:09,208 So we're going to build that program grounded in safety, incremental 179 00:10:09,208 --> 00:10:12,028 learnings, technical excellence and long term sustainability. 180 00:10:12,028 --> 00:10:15,264 So I think it's, you know, our commitment to flight readiness. 181 00:10:15,398 --> 00:10:17,583 This is not about slowing down momentum. 182 00:10:17,583 --> 00:10:20,903 This is about increasing it about making sure that we are focused 183 00:10:20,903 --> 00:10:23,906 on the right things in terms of how we execute the program. 184 00:10:24,023 --> 00:10:27,026 We need to get back to doing the workforce initiative that the administrator 185 00:10:27,326 --> 00:10:32,698 has directed us to, to, to, to implement is the absolute key ingredient to this. 186 00:10:32,698 --> 00:10:35,167 We need to get our teams working side by side 187 00:10:35,167 --> 00:10:37,837 with our partners outside and get this work done. 188 00:10:38,854 --> 00:10:39,805 So it's challenging. 189 00:10:39,805 --> 00:10:40,806 It's ambitious. 190 00:10:40,806 --> 00:10:43,075 But with this course correction, we are in a more stable foundation, 191 00:10:43,075 --> 00:10:45,594 a more realistic path to the milestones we have ahead. 192 00:10:45,594 --> 00:10:46,495 And we're so grateful 193 00:10:46,495 --> 00:10:50,066 to the teams across the NASA centers, across all of industry that's helping us. 194 00:10:50,282 --> 00:10:50,616 We have 195 00:10:50,616 --> 00:10:53,519 the entire force of American industry now helping us with the Artemis campaign. 196 00:10:53,519 --> 00:10:55,404 We are grateful to them for their support. 197 00:10:55,404 --> 00:10:57,123 They have been relentless in driving progress, 198 00:10:57,123 --> 00:10:59,942 and we need them to be even more relentless to achieve these missions. 199 00:10:59,942 --> 00:11:02,845 And this plan that we're laying out today makes that possible. 200 00:11:02,845 --> 00:11:05,014 So with that, I'll hand it over to a Doctor Glaze, 201 00:11:05,014 --> 00:11:08,017 talk about Artemis II thank you Amit. 202 00:11:08,100 --> 00:11:11,153 I'd like to start by thanking the administrator 203 00:11:11,487 --> 00:11:14,523 for taking this incredibly bold step and moving quickly, 204 00:11:15,324 --> 00:11:18,778 to assure that we have support and resources that are needed, 205 00:11:19,145 --> 00:11:22,715 in order to, launch Artemis astronauts to the moon every year. 206 00:11:23,366 --> 00:11:27,236 I want to thank our team as well within the Moon to Mars program, 207 00:11:28,087 --> 00:11:30,990 on Artemis and all of our Artemis, mission planning, 208 00:11:30,990 --> 00:11:35,277 our teams continue to work tirelessly to enable mission success. 209 00:11:35,995 --> 00:11:39,815 I know, to people outside of NASA, sometimes we make it look easy. 210 00:11:40,266 --> 00:11:42,301 What we are doing is anything but easy. 211 00:11:42,301 --> 00:11:45,805 And we've seen that, with the challenges that we've encountered, 212 00:11:45,988 --> 00:11:49,508 I've said, time and time again, that our team rises 213 00:11:49,508 --> 00:11:52,495 to challenges and they meet any bar that is set. 214 00:11:52,928 --> 00:11:54,597 This will be a challenge. 215 00:11:54,597 --> 00:11:59,018 And I know that we will continue to relentlessly pursue excellence 216 00:11:59,018 --> 00:11:59,969 at every step. 217 00:11:59,969 --> 00:12:03,205 And that includes not just our NASA team, but includes, again, 218 00:12:03,205 --> 00:12:06,358 our contractor workforce and all of the suppliers that contribute, 219 00:12:06,992 --> 00:12:11,430 to at every level, to the success of the Artemis space program. 220 00:12:12,398 --> 00:12:15,384 So first things first, I'm going to talk about Artemis two. 221 00:12:15,568 --> 00:12:17,002 We were here just a week ago. 222 00:12:17,002 --> 00:12:20,372 We were all very excited last Friday after the successful wet dress rehearsal. 223 00:12:21,540 --> 00:12:23,726 We were in a great place at that time. 224 00:12:23,726 --> 00:12:26,312 And looking at a launch in early March, 225 00:12:26,312 --> 00:12:30,483 things changed pretty quickly last Friday evening, where we discovered the issue 226 00:12:30,483 --> 00:12:34,053 with the flow of helium to the ICP, the upper stage of the SLS. 227 00:12:34,887 --> 00:12:39,842 That occurred as we were doing the reconfiguration of the, of the SLS 228 00:12:40,176 --> 00:12:43,446 as we transitioned from the wet dress into the launch configuration. 229 00:12:44,213 --> 00:12:46,866 So that was, it was disappointing, but that's where we were. 230 00:12:46,866 --> 00:12:51,187 And the response of our team was exactly what we should be doing. 231 00:12:51,187 --> 00:12:54,356 We allowed the data to talk to us and tell us what we needed to do, 232 00:12:54,907 --> 00:12:57,593 and allowed those findings, the operational findings, 233 00:12:57,593 --> 00:13:00,596 to guide us in what decisions that we needed to make. 234 00:13:00,696 --> 00:13:03,415 And the data were pretty clear, that we were no go. 235 00:13:03,415 --> 00:13:04,767 We were in a no go situation 236 00:13:04,767 --> 00:13:08,888 without the ability to flow the helium to the RL ten engines of the upper stage. 237 00:13:09,872 --> 00:13:11,006 So while, 238 00:13:11,006 --> 00:13:15,427 we have the ability to access the boosters and the core stage out at the pad, 239 00:13:15,427 --> 00:13:16,645 we were in preparations 240 00:13:16,645 --> 00:13:20,015 already for being able to do the work that needed to be done out at the pad. 241 00:13:20,616 --> 00:13:25,888 We do not have the ability to access the interior of the upper stage or at the pad. 242 00:13:25,888 --> 00:13:29,525 So that's what's the requirement to roll back to the Vehicle Assembly Building? 243 00:13:30,509 --> 00:13:33,145 Our team has been working very quickly to transition 244 00:13:33,145 --> 00:13:36,415 from preparations for launch to preparations for rollback. 245 00:13:36,415 --> 00:13:38,133 And they did that extremely quickly. 246 00:13:38,133 --> 00:13:41,136 We were able to roll back, within a couple of days. 247 00:13:41,453 --> 00:13:44,824 At the same time, the team has worked to streamline a plan 248 00:13:44,824 --> 00:13:49,195 for the work inside the VAB to give us the very best possible chance 249 00:13:49,562 --> 00:13:52,565 at a launch in the early April launch period. 250 00:13:52,765 --> 00:13:54,533 We got back to the VAB about 8 p.m. 251 00:13:54,533 --> 00:13:55,801 Wednesday night. 252 00:13:55,801 --> 00:13:58,170 The platforms within the VAB have already been extended. 253 00:13:58,170 --> 00:14:00,806 You can see them there in the live graphic. 254 00:14:00,806 --> 00:14:02,157 And the work has already begun. 255 00:14:02,157 --> 00:14:04,560 An incredible amount of work already going on. 256 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:08,797 The suspected, system components, for the helium flow will be removed, 257 00:14:08,797 --> 00:14:12,835 and they're going to go undergo, detailed inspections, and assess, the cause 258 00:14:12,835 --> 00:14:13,502 of the issue. 259 00:14:14,753 --> 00:14:15,421 We hope 260 00:14:15,421 --> 00:14:17,189 to get down to the root cause of that 261 00:14:17,189 --> 00:14:21,277 and make changes not just to the hardware, but to our operational, procedures, 262 00:14:21,510 --> 00:14:25,047 so that we don't encounter the same issue again when we roll back out to the pad. 263 00:14:26,515 --> 00:14:29,335 In addition to the cause of the helium flow issue, 264 00:14:29,335 --> 00:14:32,488 the teams are also going to do a number of other things while we're in the VAB. 265 00:14:32,788 --> 00:14:35,708 We will replace the batteries in the flight termination system 266 00:14:35,708 --> 00:14:39,511 and conduct another end to end, test to meet the Eastern Range safety 267 00:14:39,511 --> 00:14:41,046 requirements. 268 00:14:41,046 --> 00:14:44,366 We'll give the closeout crew another shot, another chance at closing out 269 00:14:44,366 --> 00:14:46,886 the Orion capsule. Get them a little bit more practice. 270 00:14:46,886 --> 00:14:49,889 In closing out the Orion, crew module. 271 00:14:50,306 --> 00:14:52,675 And then also the seal on the tail service mast 272 00:14:52,675 --> 00:14:56,011 umbilical that supplies the liquid oxygen to the rocket before liftoff. 273 00:14:56,011 --> 00:14:59,248 That is also going to be replaced, to ensure a tight configuration. 274 00:14:59,848 --> 00:15:03,085 As you recall, of course, the twin seal that, supplies 275 00:15:03,369 --> 00:15:07,890 that goes to the liquid hydrogen, was replaced, out of the pad. 276 00:15:08,874 --> 00:15:10,259 So we've probably replaced that one. 277 00:15:10,259 --> 00:15:13,262 So now we're going to replace the oxygen seal as well. 278 00:15:14,013 --> 00:15:16,532 And at the same time, we're also going to be reviewing, 279 00:15:16,532 --> 00:15:19,468 the items that are already stowed in the Orion crew module there. 280 00:15:19,468 --> 00:15:22,321 Some of those, came out and we need to replace them. 281 00:15:22,321 --> 00:15:25,324 So we'll we'll be doing a little bit of that as well. 282 00:15:25,624 --> 00:15:28,043 We will continue to provide updates, regular updates 283 00:15:28,043 --> 00:15:31,080 of how we're progressing, within the VAB and our plans. 284 00:15:31,297 --> 00:15:32,398 Once they solidify 285 00:15:32,398 --> 00:15:35,401 and when we roll back out, we will definitely let everybody know, 286 00:15:36,035 --> 00:15:39,038 and, just again, to return to, 287 00:15:39,338 --> 00:15:42,157 Administrator Isaacman statements, beyond Artemis two. 288 00:15:42,157 --> 00:15:44,910 I know that our team is up for this challenge. 289 00:15:44,910 --> 00:15:48,147 We are ready, and we are ready to get started on that. 290 00:15:48,147 --> 00:15:48,597 Thank you. 291 00:15:50,049 --> 00:15:50,516 Thank you. 292 00:15:50,516 --> 00:15:52,017 Will now take your questions. 293 00:15:52,017 --> 00:15:54,987 Please ask one question at a time so we can get it to as many of you 294 00:15:54,987 --> 00:15:56,338 as possible. We'll circle back. 295 00:15:56,338 --> 00:15:57,389 If we have time. 296 00:15:57,389 --> 00:15:58,774 We'll start with a question here in the room, 297 00:15:58,774 --> 00:16:00,926 but if you're joining us via the phone bridge, please 298 00:16:00,926 --> 00:16:04,196 press Star One to enter the queue and I'll take our first question. 299 00:16:04,713 --> 00:16:07,716 Well. 300 00:16:08,250 --> 00:16:08,884 Hi. Thanks. 301 00:16:08,884 --> 00:16:10,586 Will Robinson Smith with Spaceflight Now. 302 00:16:10,586 --> 00:16:13,055 Thank you all for taking the time this morning. 303 00:16:13,055 --> 00:16:15,908 To the administrator, associate administrator. 304 00:16:15,908 --> 00:16:19,378 The plan for the revamped 305 00:16:19,378 --> 00:16:23,515 Artemis is three to rendezvous with one or both of the HLS providers. 306 00:16:24,033 --> 00:16:26,318 Can you speak to the importance of that? 307 00:16:26,318 --> 00:16:29,788 Components of, doing Artemis three in low-Earth 308 00:16:29,788 --> 00:16:32,791 orbit? And, 309 00:16:33,158 --> 00:16:34,593 I guess how soon, 310 00:16:34,593 --> 00:16:37,763 given where both of those HLS vehicles are, 311 00:16:39,181 --> 00:16:40,165 you know, 312 00:16:40,165 --> 00:16:43,085 how feasible that might be to to dock with them 313 00:16:43,085 --> 00:16:44,737 as opposed to just sort of rendezvous 314 00:16:44,737 --> 00:16:47,222 and getting in proximity with them in low-Earth orbit? 315 00:16:47,222 --> 00:16:50,225 Thank you. 316 00:16:50,642 --> 00:16:52,928 So I'll begin and, welcome. 317 00:16:52,928 --> 00:16:54,413 It's an additional inputs on this. 318 00:16:54,413 --> 00:16:57,216 I think one of the, 319 00:16:57,216 --> 00:17:00,903 you know, one of the challenges, but also one of the greatest opportunities 320 00:17:00,903 --> 00:17:06,058 that comes from both our, HLS providers is the ability to return 321 00:17:06,058 --> 00:17:09,878 America to the moon, not just again for the flag, in the rocks, 322 00:17:09,878 --> 00:17:12,064 but to be able to actually build out that enduring presence. 323 00:17:12,064 --> 00:17:15,267 So what they're taking on is technically very challenging, 324 00:17:15,818 --> 00:17:19,538 but a lot of that involves whether it's on orbit prop transfer for 325 00:17:19,838 --> 00:17:23,842 prop transfer or rapid reusability because it necessitates lots of launches. 326 00:17:24,476 --> 00:17:28,447 We we don't find ourselves in that situation for a low-Earth orbit 327 00:17:28,447 --> 00:17:29,465 rendezvous. 328 00:17:29,465 --> 00:17:32,367 So this is an opportunity to test out the vehicle 329 00:17:32,367 --> 00:17:35,738 we know they're capable of doing is not as much of the technical process. 330 00:17:36,355 --> 00:17:39,992 The most demanding process is how to get that vehicle to to the moon. 331 00:17:40,325 --> 00:17:44,279 So it's it's a perfect opportunity for us to, you know, test the interface out 332 00:17:44,279 --> 00:17:47,399 between Orion and that vehicle to actually get, 333 00:17:47,399 --> 00:17:50,586 you know, humans in the vehicle, start looking at the systems. 334 00:17:50,586 --> 00:17:53,255 This is all going to help take down risks for subsequent landing. 335 00:17:54,723 --> 00:17:54,840 Know, I 336 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,843 think, you know, for Adams, who we're doing, on orbit, 337 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,496 handling of the vehicle to test out rendezvous techniques. 338 00:18:00,496 --> 00:18:03,632 A low-Earth orbit rendezvous is a bit more challenging than a Leo rendezvous, 339 00:18:03,632 --> 00:18:06,635 just because the external environment and external networks are different. 340 00:18:06,835 --> 00:18:08,887 But as the administrator said, I mean, this was in the plan. 341 00:18:08,887 --> 00:18:11,006 We have to be able to to mate with with these vehicles. 342 00:18:11,006 --> 00:18:14,009 We have to talk, we have to ingress, we have to do those things anyway. 343 00:18:14,343 --> 00:18:18,664 But the point of the sequence is to is to really recognize the production 344 00:18:18,664 --> 00:18:20,783 risk in the enterprise and the development risk, and production 345 00:18:20,783 --> 00:18:23,218 risk is the flight rate on the Earth ascent systems. 346 00:18:23,218 --> 00:18:25,320 That's also Orion. The development risk is prop transfer. 347 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,091 So if we the way to to burn a common target there if you will, is to 348 00:18:29,124 --> 00:18:31,944 is to conduct a mission that accepts those risks as real 349 00:18:31,944 --> 00:18:34,163 and then but still make as much progress as we can 350 00:18:34,163 --> 00:18:36,715 to challenge both the production side and the development side at the same time. 351 00:18:37,866 --> 00:18:40,853 Take our next question. Yes. 352 00:18:40,853 --> 00:18:41,286 Thanks. 353 00:18:41,286 --> 00:18:43,889 Irene Klotz with Aviation Week. 354 00:18:43,889 --> 00:18:46,742 For anyone who wants to take this, what does the revised 355 00:18:46,742 --> 00:18:50,129 Artemis three architecture require? 356 00:18:50,129 --> 00:18:56,468 Or, would you like to, for any of the HLS is to demonstrate the on orbit 357 00:18:56,468 --> 00:19:00,122 refueling component, or does that fall off for Artemis 358 00:19:00,205 --> 00:19:03,208 four and, for Artemis for, 359 00:19:03,242 --> 00:19:08,664 if you're looking to fly in early as 2028 and you need a new upper stage, 360 00:19:08,664 --> 00:19:12,818 presumably it's still LOX and LH, what's available 361 00:19:12,818 --> 00:19:15,804 on that short notice? 362 00:19:18,090 --> 00:19:19,224 Yeah, I think, 363 00:19:19,224 --> 00:19:23,462 you know, first, we're not going to get into any specific, 364 00:19:23,879 --> 00:19:27,149 manufacturers name or the associate contracting process beyond that. 365 00:19:27,149 --> 00:19:27,900 As I mentioned, 366 00:19:27,900 --> 00:19:32,137 we've been discussing with industry the strategy for several weeks right now. 367 00:19:32,137 --> 00:19:35,123 Everyone acknowledges it's the right path forward. 368 00:19:35,374 --> 00:19:39,595 So we obviously have confidence in our ability to, source and integrate, 369 00:19:40,379 --> 00:19:44,333 you know, a more standardized second stage to fulfill missions beyond Artemis, 370 00:19:45,267 --> 00:19:47,970 Artemis three in terms of, 371 00:19:47,970 --> 00:19:50,973 you know, our HLS providers, they have both, 372 00:19:51,173 --> 00:19:55,644 I think very publicly, submitted proposals for their acceleration strategy. 373 00:19:55,644 --> 00:19:56,495 That does take down 374 00:19:56,495 --> 00:19:59,615 some of the, you know, the technical risk associated with the proposal. 375 00:20:00,816 --> 00:20:03,518 And we've said publicly that we support both in this regard. 376 00:20:03,518 --> 00:20:04,920 I don't think that, 377 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,656 what you're referring to, like, on orbit prop transfer, is necessarily 378 00:20:07,656 --> 00:20:11,460 going to be required for the demonstration that we are imagining for Artemis three. 379 00:20:12,244 --> 00:20:15,781 But we haven't fully you know, we are very early in mission design here. 380 00:20:15,998 --> 00:20:20,602 We all have arrived at the point that this is the really the only pathway 381 00:20:20,936 --> 00:20:23,605 in order to, to achieve success with a lunar 382 00:20:23,605 --> 00:20:26,608 landing within the timeframes that we are targeting. 383 00:20:26,758 --> 00:20:29,544 But I wouldn't I think part of the reason to do this in low Earth 384 00:20:29,544 --> 00:20:33,065 orbit is it does not necessarily require what what what both, 385 00:20:33,982 --> 00:20:38,487 what both HLS providers will eventually, necessitate, which is either 386 00:20:38,487 --> 00:20:41,723 lots of launches or on orbit prop transfer to get their vehicles to the moon. 387 00:20:44,309 --> 00:20:46,795 To the next question from here. 388 00:20:46,795 --> 00:20:48,697 Thank you. Ken Kramer, SpaceX up close. 389 00:20:48,697 --> 00:20:51,033 I think this is fantastic what you've proposed here. 390 00:20:51,033 --> 00:20:54,036 It's exactly what's needed. So 391 00:20:55,087 --> 00:20:57,806 can you talk about these landers a little bit? 392 00:20:57,806 --> 00:21:01,526 They're gonna I would, I guess, have to be vastly simplified 393 00:21:01,526 --> 00:21:02,678 from what 394 00:21:02,678 --> 00:21:07,416 was proposed with those prop transfers in order to accomplish this so quickly. 395 00:21:07,883 --> 00:21:09,418 I know they're working on updates. 396 00:21:09,418 --> 00:21:11,903 Can you can can you let us know at all? 397 00:21:11,903 --> 00:21:13,922 And where does the gateway fit in all this? 398 00:21:13,922 --> 00:21:16,775 Thanks. 399 00:21:16,775 --> 00:21:19,795 To to be clear, both HLS providers, 400 00:21:20,462 --> 00:21:25,717 have offered solutions to accelerate their plans without compromising on, 401 00:21:26,134 --> 00:21:29,938 the grander objective, which is we need to build out an enduring presence. 402 00:21:29,938 --> 00:21:33,058 So when we return to the moon, we have the capability to stay. 403 00:21:34,293 --> 00:21:36,595 So while they're there, proposals again, 404 00:21:36,595 --> 00:21:39,748 do take down some of the technical risks that would have existed before. 405 00:21:39,748 --> 00:21:43,085 We are not foregoing the capabilities that I think are absolutely necessary 406 00:21:43,085 --> 00:21:46,088 for America's future in space. 407 00:21:47,456 --> 00:21:49,558 So, to be to be clear on that, on 408 00:21:49,558 --> 00:21:52,561 that point specifically in the gateway, 409 00:21:52,794 --> 00:21:56,281 I think I mean, at this at this point, we really want to focus the meeting 410 00:21:56,281 --> 00:21:57,382 to the greatest extent, 411 00:21:57,382 --> 00:22:00,519 because to be honest, this can be, you know, somewhat of the problem. 412 00:22:00,936 --> 00:22:04,289 You know, the hardest thing right now is returning American astronauts 413 00:22:04,289 --> 00:22:05,040 to the surface of the moon. 414 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,977 We obviously haven't done that more than 53 years, I think, by, 415 00:22:09,594 --> 00:22:12,631 you know, focusing a lot of time, energy and resources across 416 00:22:12,631 --> 00:22:16,201 lots of grand endeavors is why you wind up in a situation where you're launching 417 00:22:16,451 --> 00:22:20,489 an incredibly important but complex vehicle every, every three plus years. 418 00:22:20,756 --> 00:22:24,176 So I say that not in in to make a statement towards, 419 00:22:24,810 --> 00:22:28,830 gateway, because we are doing this to get back to the moon and have the capability 420 00:22:28,830 --> 00:22:32,467 to stay, certainly to build, a moon base, which is going to be ideal, 421 00:22:33,301 --> 00:22:35,487 which can be an ideal learning environment for us, 422 00:22:36,605 --> 00:22:37,522 to test out 423 00:22:37,522 --> 00:22:40,559 the operations, in situ resource manufacturing, refining, 424 00:22:40,559 --> 00:22:42,394 all the capabilities are going to be necessary 425 00:22:42,394 --> 00:22:44,946 for the next giant leap to to Mars and beyond. 426 00:22:44,946 --> 00:22:49,017 But I say with with focus for this, this conference specifically, we got to 427 00:22:49,017 --> 00:22:51,386 we got to keep the the attention on standardization 428 00:22:51,386 --> 00:22:54,389 and flight rate as our path to get back to the moon. 429 00:22:56,007 --> 00:22:57,509 Our next question will come from Marcia 430 00:22:57,509 --> 00:23:00,512 Dunn with the Associated Press. 431 00:23:03,515 --> 00:23:06,218 Marcia Dunn. 432 00:23:06,218 --> 00:23:08,070 Isaacman hum. 433 00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:12,324 How much did the recent, problems with Artemis two, 434 00:23:12,657 --> 00:23:15,327 especially mimicking Artemis one? 435 00:23:15,327 --> 00:23:18,330 How much did that play into your decision to, 436 00:23:18,997 --> 00:23:21,233 shake up the Artemis mission profile? 437 00:23:21,233 --> 00:23:24,269 And how disappointing are you to have to, 438 00:23:25,404 --> 00:23:28,807 wait perhaps even longer to to land astronauts on the moon? 439 00:23:28,807 --> 00:23:30,509 Thanks. 440 00:23:30,509 --> 00:23:32,010 Well, first, I'm not disappointed at all. 441 00:23:32,010 --> 00:23:33,812 I'm excited because I think we have a path here 442 00:23:33,812 --> 00:23:36,481 to actually get the job done within the timeframes, 443 00:23:36,481 --> 00:23:39,367 that we have, we have we have targeted right now. 444 00:23:39,367 --> 00:23:39,935 I also, 445 00:23:40,886 --> 00:23:43,839 I just want to point out this is something that NASA has known, 446 00:23:43,839 --> 00:23:46,825 as I mentioned before, no one here at NASA forgot their history books. 447 00:23:47,275 --> 00:23:50,312 The plans to do this the right way have existed for a long time. 448 00:23:50,312 --> 00:23:53,698 We are in a fortunate position right now where you have a presidential national 449 00:23:53,698 --> 00:23:56,918 space policy, which aligns whole of government on what's necessary. 450 00:23:57,152 --> 00:23:59,888 You have congressional support through appropriation, 451 00:23:59,888 --> 00:24:02,874 and you have President Trump's, one big, beautiful bill, the work now 452 00:24:02,874 --> 00:24:06,962 working Family Tax Cut Act that gave us the plus up and resources 453 00:24:07,229 --> 00:24:10,832 within our exploration budget to undertake this endeavor right now. 454 00:24:10,832 --> 00:24:14,603 So, I would I would tell you that we would have been delivering 455 00:24:14,603 --> 00:24:18,507 this exact same message to you today had, this been free. 456 00:24:18,540 --> 00:24:20,041 That was the that was the plan. 457 00:24:20,041 --> 00:24:21,593 But I think we have to put even 458 00:24:21,593 --> 00:24:25,614 more urgency around it, because this is not the F.R that we we initially intended. 459 00:24:26,615 --> 00:24:27,415 You know, the American 460 00:24:27,415 --> 00:24:31,470 public deserves the update on Artemis two and the historic mission that's, ahead. 461 00:24:31,470 --> 00:24:33,872 But you also have to know how we're going to achieve the vision 462 00:24:33,872 --> 00:24:36,875 that presidents have called for, for more than 35 years. 463 00:24:37,926 --> 00:24:39,778 Our next question will come from Josh, dinner 464 00:24:39,778 --> 00:24:42,781 with Space.com. 465 00:24:43,415 --> 00:24:45,217 Hi. Thanks so much for doing this. 466 00:24:45,217 --> 00:24:50,939 Josh, our Space.com, for Administrator Isaacman, you're standardizing SLS, 467 00:24:51,356 --> 00:24:54,276 pushing toward a ten month launch cadence and revising Artemis 468 00:24:54,276 --> 00:24:57,279 three to an honorable rendezvous next year. 469 00:24:57,863 --> 00:25:01,883 With up to two 2028 landings, which all sounds kind 470 00:25:01,883 --> 00:25:05,820 of fairly accelerated for a deceleration of the program. 471 00:25:06,304 --> 00:25:09,508 What specific risk are you buying down with that Leo rendezvous? 472 00:25:10,108 --> 00:25:13,378 And are you anticipating demonstrations with multiple HLS vehicles on that 473 00:25:13,378 --> 00:25:13,828 mission? 474 00:25:13,828 --> 00:25:17,516 And how are you ensuring that schedule itself doesn't erode margins? 475 00:25:17,516 --> 00:25:21,269 The safety advisory panel has already warned are thin for Artemis three. 476 00:25:22,237 --> 00:25:22,504 Yeah. 477 00:25:22,504 --> 00:25:23,939 So actually, I think what we're doing 478 00:25:23,939 --> 00:25:27,959 is directly in line with what ASAP, asked us to do. 479 00:25:27,959 --> 00:25:31,646 I mean, look, just zooming out here, I think it should be incredibly obvious. 480 00:25:32,047 --> 00:25:36,685 You don't go from one uncrewed launch, of Orion and SLS. 481 00:25:36,835 --> 00:25:41,122 Wait three years, go around the moon, wait three years and land on it. 482 00:25:41,573 --> 00:25:45,777 That's what, our, our ASAP committee took, took issue with. 483 00:25:45,777 --> 00:25:48,563 That's what we've acknowledged inside the leadership of NASA. 484 00:25:48,563 --> 00:25:50,348 NASA's been working on these plans. 485 00:25:50,348 --> 00:25:52,651 Knowing this is not the right approach. 486 00:25:52,651 --> 00:25:56,137 There has to be a better way in line with our our history on. 487 00:25:56,137 --> 00:25:58,506 And again, we did not just jump right to Apollo 11. 488 00:25:58,506 --> 00:26:00,725 We did it through Mercury, Gemini, and lots of Apollo 489 00:26:00,725 --> 00:26:03,595 missions with a launch cadence every three months. 490 00:26:03,595 --> 00:26:06,114 We shouldn't be comfortable with the current cadence. 491 00:26:06,114 --> 00:26:09,067 We should be getting back to basics and doing what we know work. 492 00:26:09,067 --> 00:26:11,436 So how are we going to buy down risk on it? 493 00:26:11,436 --> 00:26:13,471 I would certainly much rather have the astronauts 494 00:26:13,471 --> 00:26:17,108 testing out the systems in the integrated systems of the lander. 495 00:26:17,108 --> 00:26:20,095 And, Orion in low-Earth orbit than on the moon. 496 00:26:20,345 --> 00:26:22,314 Like them to get in the suits for the first time, 497 00:26:22,314 --> 00:26:24,099 even inside the vehicles doesn't necessarily 498 00:26:24,099 --> 00:26:27,085 have to be an Eva before they actually walk on the moon in them. 499 00:26:27,902 --> 00:26:31,306 So everything about this mission, and even though it's, it's it's 500 00:26:31,406 --> 00:26:32,574 it's beyond conceptual. 501 00:26:32,574 --> 00:26:34,943 We've obviously coordinated with our partners on this, 502 00:26:34,943 --> 00:26:38,997 but the full mission design objectives are will be revealed shortly. 503 00:26:38,997 --> 00:26:41,366 I'll just say it's certainly in the direction of buying down 504 00:26:41,366 --> 00:26:43,318 risk before we put our astronauts on the surface. 505 00:26:46,137 --> 00:26:47,038 And our next question will come 506 00:26:47,038 --> 00:26:50,041 from Richard Tribble with the Orlando Sentinel. 507 00:26:52,327 --> 00:26:54,062 Hi. Thanks. 508 00:26:54,062 --> 00:26:54,846 Hi. For the Carson. 509 00:26:54,846 --> 00:26:55,947 Hopefully you can hear me. 510 00:26:55,947 --> 00:26:58,867 Well, 511 00:26:58,867 --> 00:27:01,853 about the, increase in workforce, the civilian workforce. 512 00:27:02,187 --> 00:27:07,559 What does that mean for, like, personnel at, Exploration 513 00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:10,712 Ground Systems or specifically Kennedy Space 514 00:27:10,712 --> 00:27:13,715 Center for the agency overall. 515 00:27:13,865 --> 00:27:15,900 And is the, 516 00:27:15,900 --> 00:27:18,953 is there a concern about the flow 517 00:27:18,953 --> 00:27:22,557 of hardware from Orion or SLS? 518 00:27:23,224 --> 00:27:24,159 Potentially. 519 00:27:24,159 --> 00:27:27,445 Are you going to have an Orion capsule for a potential Artemis S5, 520 00:27:29,097 --> 00:27:31,716 in 2028 at this pace? 521 00:27:31,716 --> 00:27:32,817 Thank you. 522 00:27:32,817 --> 00:27:35,103 Yeah. So I'll kind of work backwards from there. 523 00:27:35,103 --> 00:27:36,254 As I mentioned before, 524 00:27:36,254 --> 00:27:39,391 we're not here today to surprise industry and our stakeholders. 525 00:27:39,391 --> 00:27:42,027 We've been having these conversations for weeks now. 526 00:27:42,027 --> 00:27:43,378 I've spoken to the leadership 527 00:27:43,378 --> 00:27:47,399 at every one of the prime contractors that contributed to the SLS program. 528 00:27:47,615 --> 00:27:50,468 Everyone's behind us and they've all said the exact same thing. 529 00:27:50,468 --> 00:27:52,737 This is the only way to get the job done. 530 00:27:52,737 --> 00:27:57,308 So, there's a lot, a lot of work we have to do here at NASA to prepare. 531 00:27:57,459 --> 00:28:01,413 Part of that goes to the second, second component of your of your question, 532 00:28:01,413 --> 00:28:04,315 which is we've got to we've got to rebuild our core competencies. 533 00:28:04,315 --> 00:28:10,171 Now, is this, you know, I mean, the the overall, workforce count increases at KSC. 534 00:28:10,171 --> 00:28:11,106 I don't know, the answer to that. 535 00:28:11,106 --> 00:28:14,192 Specifically, I would say that there is, a lot of contractors 536 00:28:14,192 --> 00:28:16,795 which do fantastic work that should be civil servants. 537 00:28:16,795 --> 00:28:18,063 That's kind of the heart of the workforce 538 00:28:18,063 --> 00:28:21,783 directive right now, 75% of our workforce right now is contractors. 539 00:28:22,083 --> 00:28:23,885 I think a lot of them should be civil servants. 540 00:28:23,885 --> 00:28:26,071 I think we should have those capabilities in-house. 541 00:28:27,055 --> 00:28:28,673 You know, we should have the ability 542 00:28:28,673 --> 00:28:31,926 to make changes and adjustments as we see fit because we are NASA. 543 00:28:31,943 --> 00:28:33,361 We did all this the first time. 544 00:28:33,361 --> 00:28:35,280 We know an awful lot. 545 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,615 And this is going to be our kind of pathway back to the moon. 546 00:28:37,615 --> 00:28:40,351 So, lots of collaboration with industry. 547 00:28:40,351 --> 00:28:42,003 They understand what the ask is. 548 00:28:42,003 --> 00:28:43,655 They know we're going to need to pull in hardware. 549 00:28:43,655 --> 00:28:45,907 That's why we're standardizing the configuration. 550 00:28:45,907 --> 00:28:48,927 You're not going to be able to do that if every rocket is a work of art, 551 00:28:49,594 --> 00:28:52,230 you're going to inevitably learn the same lessons and over again. 552 00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:55,417 So standardize, increase production, pull everything 553 00:28:55,417 --> 00:28:58,737 in, which allows you then to increase your your launch rate. 554 00:28:58,737 --> 00:29:01,740 And yes, we need to rebuild a lot of our workforce here to, 555 00:29:02,407 --> 00:29:05,693 bring them in as civil servants and, and get back that muscle memory 556 00:29:05,693 --> 00:29:06,428 to turn the page. 557 00:29:06,428 --> 00:29:10,148 And in less than a year, because we've done it before and we can do it again. 558 00:29:12,066 --> 00:29:12,233 And our 559 00:29:12,233 --> 00:29:15,236 next question will come from Eben Brown with Fox News. 560 00:29:15,270 --> 00:29:17,188 Please do something 561 00:29:17,188 --> 00:29:18,573 that. Hi. 562 00:29:18,573 --> 00:29:19,974 Good morning. Thanks for doing this. 563 00:29:19,974 --> 00:29:22,977 I think this question is probably best for the administrator. 564 00:29:23,161 --> 00:29:26,514 When President Trump first announced the Artemis, project, 565 00:29:26,514 --> 00:29:32,103 a project back in 2017, he wanted to see a lunar landing by 2024. 566 00:29:32,587 --> 00:29:34,739 That was obviously not missed. 567 00:29:34,739 --> 00:29:38,343 This, despite perhaps being an integration of better practices, 568 00:29:38,343 --> 00:29:41,513 does once again push that that goal 569 00:29:41,513 --> 00:29:44,516 a little further into the future. 570 00:29:44,516 --> 00:29:48,186 The president hasn't said much about this really at all, I don't think. 571 00:29:48,186 --> 00:29:52,257 But, you know, what's the overall attitude coming out of the administration here? 572 00:29:52,257 --> 00:29:53,825 I mean, are they happy with this? 573 00:29:53,825 --> 00:29:57,629 Not happy with this or or, you know, what's the, you know, 574 00:29:57,629 --> 00:30:02,100 how does the the agency itself, react to that pressure 575 00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:05,103 that or that may or may not be there coming from the administration to, 576 00:30:05,220 --> 00:30:08,523 to keep this on track as much as possible and, and, 577 00:30:08,756 --> 00:30:11,993 you know, make sure that there aren't unnecessary slips and timelines. 578 00:30:13,111 --> 00:30:13,928 So be clear. 579 00:30:13,928 --> 00:30:15,180 President Trump love SpaceX. 580 00:30:15,180 --> 00:30:17,365 President Trump created the Artemis program. 581 00:30:17,365 --> 00:30:20,368 We obviously resumed operational, flight, 582 00:30:20,485 --> 00:30:24,088 for our astronauts to and from space during, during the president's first, 583 00:30:24,572 --> 00:30:27,575 during the president's first term, he created the Space Force. 584 00:30:28,493 --> 00:30:30,845 He, he signed a national space 585 00:30:30,845 --> 00:30:33,848 policy on my first day on the job in the Oval Office. 586 00:30:34,265 --> 00:30:36,684 That not only recommitted American astronauts to the moon, 587 00:30:36,684 --> 00:30:38,336 but to build out a lunar base. 588 00:30:38,336 --> 00:30:41,406 And not only that, start making investments in the next giant leap 589 00:30:41,406 --> 00:30:45,243 capabilities like nuclear power and propulsion so we can, you know, 590 00:30:45,743 --> 00:30:49,113 eventually have American astronauts put the stars and Stripes on Mars. 591 00:30:49,564 --> 00:30:52,567 I've spoken with him numerous times leading up to my second, 592 00:30:53,434 --> 00:30:55,503 you know, nomination for this position. 593 00:30:55,503 --> 00:30:58,206 About our strategy, the importance of the lunar base. 594 00:30:58,206 --> 00:31:00,658 He checks in, with great frequency. 595 00:31:00,658 --> 00:31:03,094 The Artemis two astronauts were at the state of the Union. 596 00:31:03,094 --> 00:31:04,612 I was, as well. 597 00:31:04,612 --> 00:31:06,698 This is a priority for the administration. 598 00:31:06,698 --> 00:31:10,768 I think that, you know, there are there are certainly questions of why 599 00:31:10,768 --> 00:31:13,771 we didn't make some of these decisions like we are today, 600 00:31:14,005 --> 00:31:16,975 in terms of standardization and increasing flight rate in the 601 00:31:16,975 --> 00:31:20,345 in the years past, I think President Trump wants to correct that now. 602 00:31:20,461 --> 00:31:22,413 And he's given us all the ingredients to do it. 603 00:31:22,413 --> 00:31:25,416 And national space policy, congressional funding, 604 00:31:25,717 --> 00:31:29,254 and the the plus up from the one big beautiful bill is what enables us 605 00:31:29,554 --> 00:31:32,941 to undertake this course right now of standardization and acceleration 606 00:31:32,941 --> 00:31:35,460 for an achievable path to get American astronauts 607 00:31:35,460 --> 00:31:38,129 back on the moon before the end of his term. I know he's fully supportive. 608 00:31:39,364 --> 00:31:41,783 We'll take the next question now 609 00:31:41,783 --> 00:31:44,786 in the back, in the beige, please. 610 00:31:48,122 --> 00:31:50,275 Do you think that some of the budget cuts 611 00:31:50,275 --> 00:31:55,830 that we've had recently have contributed to that low flight rate, and 612 00:31:55,830 --> 00:32:00,485 would you say that we have the resources and funding to increase that flight rate? 613 00:32:00,485 --> 00:32:03,571 And sorry, I just have a logistics question. 614 00:32:03,571 --> 00:32:06,724 So can you just clarify the Artemis three timeline here? 615 00:32:06,724 --> 00:32:09,277 You mentioned mid 2027 and 2028. 616 00:32:09,277 --> 00:32:13,081 And I just want to clarify are those two landing attempts. 617 00:32:13,298 --> 00:32:15,600 And then would you be, 618 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,669 launching in 2028? 619 00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:19,954 I'm just trying to wrap my head around that. Sure. 620 00:32:19,954 --> 00:32:24,492 I mean, let me just address the the there were no budget cuts to to NASA. 621 00:32:24,509 --> 00:32:27,395 We actually had historic funding last year between, 622 00:32:27,395 --> 00:32:28,346 you know, the consistent 623 00:32:28,346 --> 00:32:33,534 funding through the continuing resolution plus the, the, the plus up from the, 624 00:32:33,718 --> 00:32:36,871 the one big beautiful bill or the working family, tax Cut Act. 625 00:32:36,871 --> 00:32:40,508 NASA had historic funding last year, which is the only reason why 626 00:32:40,808 --> 00:32:43,745 we are capable of, undertaking this right now. 627 00:32:45,113 --> 00:32:48,116 So, so I'll just pause on 628 00:32:48,116 --> 00:32:50,318 that point in terms of, again, to be very clear, because I know 629 00:32:50,318 --> 00:32:52,086 we're we're moving around here a little bit. 630 00:32:52,086 --> 00:32:53,855 Artemis two is going to launch in the weeks ahead. 631 00:32:53,855 --> 00:32:56,341 Ten day mission, historic mission to go around the moon. 632 00:32:56,341 --> 00:32:59,994 It's going to allow us to to test out, the Orion spacecraft. 633 00:33:00,328 --> 00:33:04,766 Artemis three will launch ideally by mid 2027. 634 00:33:05,066 --> 00:33:08,069 So this is now getting us back in the rhythm here of increasing, 635 00:33:08,102 --> 00:33:11,372 launch cadence with with SLS and Orion spacecraft. 636 00:33:11,606 --> 00:33:12,540 Our objective there. 637 00:33:12,540 --> 00:33:15,593 And we've spoken with both our, our landing providers on 638 00:33:15,593 --> 00:33:18,596 this is to rendezvous with one or both landers. 639 00:33:18,813 --> 00:33:22,467 That's an opportunity for us to test out integrated operations between Orion 640 00:33:22,834 --> 00:33:24,485 and the lander, which is important. 641 00:33:24,485 --> 00:33:26,437 That will be a crew rated vehicle someday. 642 00:33:26,437 --> 00:33:28,740 There's ecosystems we're going to want to test out. 643 00:33:28,740 --> 00:33:32,093 It's another opportunity for us, maybe to get our suits up there before 644 00:33:32,093 --> 00:33:35,096 the astronauts actually have to wear them on the surface of the moon. 645 00:33:35,346 --> 00:33:37,832 If we can't make that timeline with suits, we have other opportunities 646 00:33:37,832 --> 00:33:39,517 to get them up to International Space Station. 647 00:33:39,517 --> 00:33:42,754 But we do consider that a priority, which then sets up for Artemis 648 00:33:43,171 --> 00:33:46,324 four and five, potentially in 2028. 649 00:33:46,474 --> 00:33:49,377 We're not necessarily committing to launching two missions in 2028. 650 00:33:49,377 --> 00:33:52,146 We want to have the opportunity be able to do that. 651 00:33:53,748 --> 00:33:55,450 Next question 652 00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:57,301 in the second row in the gray. 653 00:33:57,301 --> 00:33:59,103 Thanks. Bill Harwood with CBS news. 654 00:33:59,103 --> 00:34:00,421 I have about ten questions. I'm kidding. 655 00:34:00,421 --> 00:34:02,273 I've got two questions. 656 00:34:02,273 --> 00:34:04,892 For Jarrett, you mentioned the NSF earlier. 657 00:34:04,892 --> 00:34:07,078 The report came out this week, and, 658 00:34:07,078 --> 00:34:10,114 could you hear anything about what input they had in your decision making? 659 00:34:10,114 --> 00:34:11,616 Because it seems like you've 660 00:34:11,616 --> 00:34:14,619 you're addressing most of their primary concerns at least. 661 00:34:15,236 --> 00:34:18,239 And then for Lori, I guess, I know you guys are focused on 662 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:19,924 these near-term flights. 663 00:34:19,924 --> 00:34:22,443 We're not talking gateway today or whatever, but 664 00:34:22,443 --> 00:34:26,064 will you continue work on Mobile Launcher two or does the work stop now? 665 00:34:26,998 --> 00:34:30,935 And what about the Lunar Terrain Vehicle, which originally was part of, I guess, 666 00:34:31,619 --> 00:34:32,403 Artemis five? 667 00:34:32,403 --> 00:34:36,357 I mean, is it the same philosophy that's covering that we're going to stop 668 00:34:36,357 --> 00:34:38,609 worrying about that stuff right now and focus on the near-term. 669 00:34:41,963 --> 00:34:44,966 Yeah. 670 00:34:45,266 --> 00:34:45,666 Sorry. 671 00:34:45,666 --> 00:34:49,020 So with respect to the ASAP committee, I would say that, 672 00:34:50,071 --> 00:34:53,157 it's it is interesting that a lot of the things that we are 673 00:34:53,157 --> 00:34:56,344 addressing directly go to the points they raised in their report. 674 00:34:56,544 --> 00:34:59,697 I can't say we actually collaborate on it because I generally think 675 00:34:59,697 --> 00:35:02,917 these were all pretty, you know, obvious observations. 676 00:35:03,334 --> 00:35:06,537 So yes, ASAP was rightful to call out some of the, 677 00:35:06,954 --> 00:35:09,774 you know, some of our shortcomings and we should be addressing them. 678 00:35:09,774 --> 00:35:11,159 It just happened to be in parallel. 679 00:35:11,159 --> 00:35:15,246 So in any of my recent conversations with the committee, I said, look, 680 00:35:15,246 --> 00:35:16,447 we are completely aligned. 681 00:35:16,447 --> 00:35:19,734 I agree with every one of the points that you raised and we have to address it. 682 00:35:20,818 --> 00:35:23,738 It just so happen to be, I mean, even our Starliner report 683 00:35:23,738 --> 00:35:26,457 came out in advance of theirs. They didn't know that was happening. 684 00:35:26,457 --> 00:35:28,025 It was just the right thing to do. 685 00:35:28,025 --> 00:35:31,262 Just as our revised architecture and approach to achieving a lunar 686 00:35:31,262 --> 00:35:34,265 landing is, is the right thing to do. 687 00:35:34,465 --> 00:35:35,133 And I'll just say, 688 00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:39,003 I mean to I know you addressed it to Lori, but maybe make it easier on her 689 00:35:39,003 --> 00:35:42,607 a little bit in some of these questions about specific procurement strategies. 690 00:35:42,957 --> 00:35:45,143 We are we are building a moon base. 691 00:35:45,143 --> 00:35:47,311 You're going to build a moon base. You're going to need rovers. 692 00:35:47,311 --> 00:35:50,097 You're gonna need lots of rovers. On the surface you need comms. 693 00:35:50,097 --> 00:35:51,415 You're going to need navigation. 694 00:35:51,415 --> 00:35:53,167 You're going to need power. 695 00:35:53,167 --> 00:35:55,386 This is not lost on this is a high priority. 696 00:35:55,386 --> 00:35:57,688 This is what's so important in the national space 697 00:35:57,688 --> 00:35:59,607 policy is don't just go back. 698 00:35:59,607 --> 00:36:01,943 Go back to stay. Right. 699 00:36:01,943 --> 00:36:05,163 I would just say, you know, let's keep this conversation to a great extent, 700 00:36:05,163 --> 00:36:07,465 focused on the hardest part where we haven't been able to do 701 00:36:07,465 --> 00:36:08,850 in the last 53 years, 702 00:36:08,850 --> 00:36:10,835 which is getting getting a good launch cadence 703 00:36:10,835 --> 00:36:12,937 and sending American astronauts to and from the moon. 704 00:36:12,937 --> 00:36:16,624 But I can assure you, all those things you, you asked about, you know, 705 00:36:16,974 --> 00:36:20,678 are are going to be a component to the how we stay conversation. 706 00:36:21,929 --> 00:36:22,763 Our next question will 707 00:36:22,763 --> 00:36:25,766 come from Phillip Sloss. 708 00:36:27,902 --> 00:36:29,670 Thanks. 709 00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:32,490 The question is, does this mean 710 00:36:32,490 --> 00:36:35,993 that NASA is canceling the exploration upper stage? 711 00:36:36,427 --> 00:36:40,147 And if you're going to fly Artemis 3 in 2027, when is a crew 712 00:36:40,147 --> 00:36:41,315 going to be named for that mission? 713 00:36:41,315 --> 00:36:44,318 Thanks. 714 00:36:45,786 --> 00:36:48,422 I feel like I'm taking all the air time here. 715 00:36:48,422 --> 00:36:49,140 Right. 716 00:36:49,140 --> 00:36:49,407 Yeah. 717 00:36:49,407 --> 00:36:51,125 We're going to talk about contractual issues. 718 00:36:51,125 --> 00:36:51,993 I mean, I think I understand 719 00:36:51,993 --> 00:36:55,296 the intent of what we're discussing, which is, you know, making sure we, we, 720 00:36:55,463 --> 00:36:57,398 we head towards reliability and standardization of it. 721 00:36:57,398 --> 00:37:00,384 We're going to work with our partners and make sure we handle that 722 00:37:01,035 --> 00:37:03,554 in the right way. 723 00:37:03,554 --> 00:37:06,574 The the second part was for the crew. 724 00:37:06,607 --> 00:37:06,807 Yeah. 725 00:37:06,807 --> 00:37:09,577 Again, same way we're not here to do mission design, right? 726 00:37:09,577 --> 00:37:10,678 We're not here to talk about that. 727 00:37:10,678 --> 00:37:15,333 I think what's important is what we what we said at the end, the whole plan is 728 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,486 we need to chunk it into achievable objectives. 729 00:37:18,486 --> 00:37:22,073 We with the whole plan, we've we've we've attempted it's been augmented by the, 730 00:37:22,406 --> 00:37:25,042 the vision in the, in the, in the space policy that was released. 731 00:37:25,042 --> 00:37:28,179 That whole plan needs to be discretized and chunked into the right way. 732 00:37:28,179 --> 00:37:31,265 So we're taking incremental risk in the right ways as we continue to fly, 733 00:37:31,499 --> 00:37:35,603 as we increase production, that increases reliability and increases safety. 734 00:37:35,603 --> 00:37:37,655 And we're going to do all that together while we increase, 735 00:37:37,655 --> 00:37:39,657 you know, our training rates and everything else. 736 00:37:39,657 --> 00:37:41,225 So that that's all part of the integrated plan. 737 00:37:41,225 --> 00:37:43,928 We're not going to do a whiteboard session on mission design here, 738 00:37:43,928 --> 00:37:45,062 but I can assure you 739 00:37:45,062 --> 00:37:46,864 that we we've thought through the top level 740 00:37:46,864 --> 00:37:48,966 objectives, how they devolve into lower level objectives 741 00:37:48,966 --> 00:37:50,434 and how we're going to put them into these missions. 742 00:37:52,019 --> 00:37:53,454 Our next question will come from Leonard 743 00:37:53,454 --> 00:37:56,457 David with Inside Outer Space. 744 00:37:57,241 --> 00:37:57,908 Yeah. Hi. 745 00:37:57,908 --> 00:38:00,478 Thanks for, pulling this all together. 746 00:38:00,478 --> 00:38:02,246 And it's very exciting. 747 00:38:02,246 --> 00:38:06,567 I think, for the administrator, when you had your back to back, 748 00:38:07,952 --> 00:38:11,589 confirmation hearings, there was a lot of pressure, 749 00:38:12,206 --> 00:38:14,725 of trying to beat China, 750 00:38:14,725 --> 00:38:17,728 to get back to the moon to to what extent 751 00:38:18,446 --> 00:38:20,131 does that play a role here? 752 00:38:20,131 --> 00:38:23,134 Are we accelerating our plans? 753 00:38:23,284 --> 00:38:25,953 What's your thinking about China today? 754 00:38:25,953 --> 00:38:28,956 Because they're they probably are going to go, 755 00:38:29,707 --> 00:38:32,693 maybe in the same kind of time frame. 756 00:38:33,244 --> 00:38:36,247 Well, as I said during my hearing, I think competition is good. 757 00:38:37,231 --> 00:38:40,735 I think it's a great way to, you know, motivate our, 758 00:38:40,735 --> 00:38:44,755 our, our workforce and our partners again, to achieve the near impossible. 759 00:38:44,755 --> 00:38:45,656 This worked. 760 00:38:45,656 --> 00:38:47,892 Competition worked very well for us. 761 00:38:47,892 --> 00:38:51,662 The 1960s turned out, in hindsight, we had near endless schedule margin there. 762 00:38:51,662 --> 00:38:54,965 No. And no humans have been back since, since Apollo 17. 763 00:38:55,232 --> 00:38:57,935 That is certainly not the case today. 764 00:38:59,003 --> 00:39:02,073 I'd say this is a very, very close from a timeline perspective. 765 00:39:02,223 --> 00:39:05,276 All that said, again, I think competition is good. 766 00:39:05,609 --> 00:39:08,379 We're here talking to you about what is a common sense 767 00:39:08,379 --> 00:39:10,114 approach to achieve the objective, 768 00:39:10,114 --> 00:39:14,018 whether we had a great rival in the running or not. 769 00:39:14,518 --> 00:39:18,689 If we're committed to going back to the moon, we have the resources to do it. 770 00:39:18,689 --> 00:39:22,109 We again, we have a presidential mandate to get the job done. 771 00:39:22,109 --> 00:39:25,346 What is an achievable strategy regardless of the competition? 772 00:39:25,346 --> 00:39:29,884 And I can tell you, launching every three plus years is not the right approach. 773 00:39:29,884 --> 00:39:32,286 You asked about the crew for Artemis three. 774 00:39:32,286 --> 00:39:33,504 It is it totally correctly? 775 00:39:33,504 --> 00:39:35,856 We got Artemis two ahead of ourselves right now. 776 00:39:35,856 --> 00:39:37,525 We still have to get through mission design. 777 00:39:37,525 --> 00:39:40,344 You assign a crew that gives you the best chance of success. But. 778 00:39:40,344 --> 00:39:41,912 But I'll tell you, you've all had an opportunity 779 00:39:41,912 --> 00:39:45,866 to really get to know our Artemis two astronauts over the last couple years. 780 00:39:45,866 --> 00:39:47,818 It's actually not the desired approach. 781 00:39:47,818 --> 00:39:48,869 We'd like to. 782 00:39:48,869 --> 00:39:52,356 We'd like to announce a mission, tell you the objectives here, the crew, 783 00:39:52,356 --> 00:39:55,526 and then fly it inside of a year, and then you start getting to know the next crew. 784 00:39:55,860 --> 00:39:57,845 It's kind of how it worked in the 1960s. 785 00:39:57,845 --> 00:39:59,163 We're going to try and get back to that now. 786 00:40:01,649 --> 00:40:02,483 And our next question will 787 00:40:02,483 --> 00:40:05,486 come from Eric Berger with Ars Technica. 788 00:40:06,787 --> 00:40:09,607 Hi. Thanks very much for doing this. 789 00:40:09,607 --> 00:40:13,794 So my earlier mentioned the speech, or the original first Trump administration. 790 00:40:13,794 --> 00:40:15,296 And back in 2018, Vice President 791 00:40:15,296 --> 00:40:18,099 Mike pence talked about, you know, going to the moon in 2024. 792 00:40:18,099 --> 00:40:19,767 At the time, he said something 793 00:40:19,767 --> 00:40:21,218 that really struck with me and said, you know, 794 00:40:21,218 --> 00:40:24,505 if our current contractors can't do this, we'll find new contractors. 795 00:40:24,505 --> 00:40:28,292 And I think that was this is kind of the most sweeping vision changed since then. 796 00:40:28,292 --> 00:40:32,363 And obviously, the contractors, you know, both traditional 797 00:40:32,363 --> 00:40:34,165 and commercial space have had challenges since then. 798 00:40:34,165 --> 00:40:39,303 So I'm just wondering kind of what NASA can do to ensure its 799 00:40:39,336 --> 00:40:43,023 commercial partners can can success. 800 00:40:43,057 --> 00:40:43,524 Excuse me? 801 00:40:43,524 --> 00:40:46,260 Can successfully deliver on these really aggressive timelines? 802 00:40:46,260 --> 00:40:46,560 Thanks. 803 00:40:47,912 --> 00:40:50,664 I would just say that similar to, 804 00:40:50,664 --> 00:40:52,800 a, a recent conversation we, 805 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,220 we had with all of you, this is about this is largely about NASA. 806 00:40:56,704 --> 00:41:00,391 When we talk about why we've why we've struggled our shortcomings. 807 00:41:00,875 --> 00:41:02,076 I look internal first. 808 00:41:02,076 --> 00:41:04,261 What could we have done differently? 809 00:41:04,261 --> 00:41:06,330 That's why we're having this conversation right now. 810 00:41:06,330 --> 00:41:10,468 I didn't, I didn't have a conversation with any of the prime contractors, 811 00:41:10,468 --> 00:41:11,402 any of the partners 812 00:41:11,402 --> 00:41:14,405 as it relates to this acceleration plan where they said it couldn't be done. 813 00:41:15,506 --> 00:41:18,509 It just didn't have the conversation really up until now on this. 814 00:41:18,626 --> 00:41:20,077 And I'm sure there's a lot of reasons for it. 815 00:41:20,077 --> 00:41:23,397 And I've said some of it before, you know, we had a pretty 816 00:41:23,814 --> 00:41:27,968 I won't say, you know, singular focus in the 1960s of getting to the moon, 817 00:41:27,968 --> 00:41:30,955 because we did a lot of great, science and exploration at that time. 818 00:41:30,955 --> 00:41:32,973 But we generally we're focusing on a couple key 819 00:41:32,973 --> 00:41:36,177 needle moving objectives, which I talked a lot about during during my hearing. 820 00:41:36,694 --> 00:41:39,964 You know, over the years since, you know, President 821 00:41:39,964 --> 00:41:43,200 Trump during his first term, you know, started the Artemis program. 822 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,785 We've taken on a lot of interesting projects. 823 00:41:44,785 --> 00:41:47,188 Some people have asked questions about them here in this room. 824 00:41:47,188 --> 00:41:49,323 Tell you, the more multibillion dollar projects 825 00:41:49,323 --> 00:41:52,026 you have, the more resources and attention it, 826 00:41:52,026 --> 00:41:55,029 it captures, the less you launch lunar missions. 827 00:41:55,262 --> 00:41:55,613 Right? 828 00:41:55,613 --> 00:41:58,499 So, we're we're taking ownership of this. 829 00:41:58,499 --> 00:42:00,985 We're taking responsibility of the objective, 830 00:42:00,985 --> 00:42:04,355 the critical national objective that's been entrusted to NASA. 831 00:42:04,355 --> 00:42:05,906 And how do you do it? 832 00:42:05,906 --> 00:42:07,975 Well, you talk to your partners and you tell them, 833 00:42:07,975 --> 00:42:10,945 we're going to have to start making some decisions. We're going to standardize. 834 00:42:10,945 --> 00:42:13,163 We're not going to turn every rocket into a work of art. 835 00:42:13,163 --> 00:42:14,848 We're going to increase launch rate. 836 00:42:14,848 --> 00:42:17,368 We're going to do it in a logical, evolutionary way. 837 00:42:17,368 --> 00:42:20,287 We're not going right to Apollo 11. That makes no sense. 838 00:42:20,287 --> 00:42:22,206 What can we build up to gain confidence 839 00:42:22,206 --> 00:42:22,556 so that when 840 00:42:22,556 --> 00:42:26,427 we do embark on the true landing, we have the highest probability of success? 841 00:42:26,427 --> 00:42:28,646 And that's what we're that's what we're doing right now. 842 00:42:28,646 --> 00:42:32,666 So I'll tell you, today, this is, this is a NASA story. 843 00:42:33,267 --> 00:42:36,503 Not saying we don't come back to you in a year and say that we have to make 844 00:42:36,503 --> 00:42:38,439 some adjustments here or the vendor, but right now, 845 00:42:38,439 --> 00:42:40,474 this is something that we need to own. 846 00:42:40,474 --> 00:42:42,243 And that's what we're that's what we're sharing with you. 847 00:42:44,278 --> 00:42:45,145 Next question will come 848 00:42:45,145 --> 00:42:48,148 from Ken Chang with The New York Times. 849 00:42:48,966 --> 00:42:49,283 All right. 850 00:42:49,283 --> 00:42:50,968 Thank you. 851 00:42:50,968 --> 00:42:53,971 So with this revision, you're using up 852 00:42:54,204 --> 00:42:57,207 to five, you're using up the SLA surveillance as mandated 853 00:42:57,458 --> 00:43:00,477 in the big corporate size going up premise. 854 00:43:00,894 --> 00:43:03,714 Are you thinking about the follow on architecture 855 00:43:03,714 --> 00:43:06,717 that you talked about after that? 856 00:43:07,885 --> 00:43:09,837 Well, I think I've been, 857 00:43:09,837 --> 00:43:13,958 Well, I'd say certainly our number one focus, is, is 858 00:43:13,958 --> 00:43:17,094 what Lori spoke to you about previously, which is which is Artemis two. 859 00:43:17,094 --> 00:43:19,079 That's our near-term, I mean, 860 00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:22,082 most important human spaceflight mission in more than a half century. 861 00:43:22,116 --> 00:43:25,119 We owe you an update on how we're going to get to the moon. 862 00:43:25,319 --> 00:43:28,255 So we don't wind up in, in a situation where our our, 863 00:43:28,255 --> 00:43:31,292 our vehicles are going back and forth to the, to the Assembly building. 864 00:43:32,993 --> 00:43:34,645 And we've got enough in front of us on that. 865 00:43:34,645 --> 00:43:36,246 But that said, I mean, I said it, 866 00:43:36,246 --> 00:43:39,416 at the initial rollout conference, I've said it many times since President 867 00:43:39,416 --> 00:43:42,653 Trump created a program program to return to the moon, 868 00:43:42,653 --> 00:43:45,306 to build out a moon base that's going to require 869 00:43:45,306 --> 00:43:49,043 lots of missions to and from the moon crew and cargo. 870 00:43:49,043 --> 00:43:53,047 And, again, in a very affordable, repeatable way, 871 00:43:53,347 --> 00:43:56,934 this architecture will naturally evolve just as it is today. 872 00:43:57,818 --> 00:44:00,304 I can't tell you exactly what Artemis ten looks like. 873 00:44:00,304 --> 00:44:02,222 I bet it's going to look very different than what Artemis 874 00:44:02,222 --> 00:44:05,192 five is going to look like, as I'm sure it will be for Artemis 50. 875 00:44:05,192 --> 00:44:05,993 That's the idea. 876 00:44:05,993 --> 00:44:08,379 When you say you're going to go back to the moon and be able to stay, 877 00:44:09,930 --> 00:44:12,866 take our next question from the room 878 00:44:12,866 --> 00:44:13,500 up front. 879 00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:16,737 The other gene. Right space up close. 880 00:44:17,104 --> 00:44:19,356 I'd like to know what the altitude will be. 881 00:44:19,356 --> 00:44:22,326 The lunar landing. Rendezvous. What would that be? 882 00:44:22,326 --> 00:44:24,895 Low Earth orbit or distance from the Earth. 883 00:44:24,895 --> 00:44:27,898 Just curious. Thank you. 884 00:44:28,148 --> 00:44:29,400 Don't know. 885 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,585 Let's figure it out. 886 00:44:31,585 --> 00:44:34,054 Yes. Ideally, you know, we want to put as much every time we take 887 00:44:34,054 --> 00:44:35,522 the risk with the crew, right? 888 00:44:35,522 --> 00:44:37,291 We want to make sure we get as much done right. 889 00:44:37,291 --> 00:44:39,243 And so we're going to we'll get into an orbit 890 00:44:39,243 --> 00:44:42,363 that's achievable for as many docking and mating operations as possible. 891 00:44:42,363 --> 00:44:45,566 As meant as much, you know, environmental similarity, 892 00:44:46,350 --> 00:44:48,986 to what we would experience, you know, in during the landing mission. 893 00:44:48,986 --> 00:44:49,386 So we're going to, 894 00:44:49,386 --> 00:44:51,455 we're going to take all those objectives and put it into the design. 895 00:44:51,455 --> 00:44:53,524 But I can't tell you that the orbit yet. 896 00:44:55,075 --> 00:44:56,677 Our next question will come from Kristen 897 00:44:56,677 --> 00:44:59,663 Fisher with the endless void. 898 00:45:00,481 --> 00:45:00,898 Hi there. 899 00:45:00,898 --> 00:45:04,201 So, I think my question is for the administrator. 900 00:45:04,201 --> 00:45:05,586 You know, we've talked 901 00:45:05,586 --> 00:45:09,239 a lot about the Artemis two crew, but how about the rest of NASA's astronauts? 902 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:10,808 I mean, they've now got this 903 00:45:10,808 --> 00:45:13,794 kind of exciting bonus mission that they could be assigned to. 904 00:45:13,977 --> 00:45:16,413 How did you all inform them about these changes? 905 00:45:16,413 --> 00:45:19,416 And how soon after Artemis two returns, 906 00:45:19,533 --> 00:45:23,554 do you all anticipate naming the Artemis three crew? 907 00:45:23,787 --> 00:45:26,223 Thanks. 908 00:45:26,223 --> 00:45:29,226 So I've obviously I've, I've shared this, 909 00:45:30,477 --> 00:45:32,963 you know, this program change this direction change 910 00:45:32,963 --> 00:45:36,066 for achieving the lunar landing, with the Artemis two crew. 911 00:45:36,066 --> 00:45:40,621 I've also had a chance to speak with leadership from, the astronaut, office. 912 00:45:41,755 --> 00:45:43,323 I don't think anyone was surprised. 913 00:45:43,323 --> 00:45:45,442 Like I said, there's no one who comes to work at NASA 914 00:45:45,442 --> 00:45:47,995 that forgot their history book. They know how we got there before. 915 00:45:47,995 --> 00:45:51,815 I'd also say, generally, astronauts prefer to be in space as often as possible. 916 00:45:51,815 --> 00:45:53,467 So this is probably welcome news. 917 00:45:54,568 --> 00:45:57,604 You know, so, yeah, I think everybody is pretty, 918 00:45:57,604 --> 00:46:00,841 pretty supportive in this direction in terms of Artemis three astronauts. 919 00:46:00,841 --> 00:46:03,594 Like I said, we're not going to get ahead of ourselves on this. 920 00:46:03,594 --> 00:46:06,029 Artemis two is coming up. First. 921 00:46:06,029 --> 00:46:08,699 We're going to use this time, to kind of, 922 00:46:08,699 --> 00:46:12,419 go through mission design with our, our HLS, providers. 923 00:46:12,419 --> 00:46:13,470 What do we think is conceivable? 924 00:46:13,470 --> 00:46:15,539 What are the the most pressing objectives? 925 00:46:15,539 --> 00:46:16,890 I think obviously high level. 926 00:46:16,890 --> 00:46:18,542 We know what will help. 927 00:46:18,542 --> 00:46:20,194 By down risk for the landing. 928 00:46:20,194 --> 00:46:21,445 And then you assign a crew that gives you 929 00:46:21,445 --> 00:46:24,448 the best chance of success based on, on those objectives. 930 00:46:24,715 --> 00:46:28,085 I hope you, get to know them well, cheer them on, support them, 931 00:46:28,085 --> 00:46:31,088 and then meet the next crew shortly thereafter. 932 00:46:32,189 --> 00:46:35,642 Our next question will come from Joey Roulette with with Reuters News. 933 00:46:37,411 --> 00:46:38,312 Hey, thanks. 934 00:46:38,312 --> 00:46:41,064 Question for Ahmed and Jared. 935 00:46:41,064 --> 00:46:43,050 Whoever wants to answer, 936 00:46:43,050 --> 00:46:45,836 just real quick, is the exploration upper stage canceled? 937 00:46:45,836 --> 00:46:49,173 And if so, do you expect to compete or sole source its replacement? 938 00:46:49,173 --> 00:46:51,208 And then kind of more broadly, 939 00:46:51,208 --> 00:46:52,526 you know, this new test mission 940 00:46:52,526 --> 00:46:56,046 and a new USS upper stage and doing on orbit refueling and all that, 941 00:46:56,296 --> 00:47:01,118 it seems like a lot of work to do in the next two years before a moon landing. 942 00:47:01,118 --> 00:47:02,286 And so I think that 943 00:47:02,286 --> 00:47:06,507 begs a lot of questions, but mainly, what is the acceleration plans 944 00:47:06,507 --> 00:47:10,594 from SpaceX and Blue Origin, and when will that be baked into this architecture? 945 00:47:10,828 --> 00:47:13,430 Thanks. So, 946 00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:15,866 I'll go back to we're not talking about contractual issues. 947 00:47:15,866 --> 00:47:16,683 We're not going to talk about that. 948 00:47:16,683 --> 00:47:18,869 We have the full support of our industry partners to make sure we 949 00:47:18,869 --> 00:47:21,355 we standardize the configuration and do the right thing. 950 00:47:21,355 --> 00:47:24,091 So that that's just that we'll just leave it that the 951 00:47:25,142 --> 00:47:27,144 how we're going to do this, you know, in terms of the hardware 952 00:47:27,144 --> 00:47:29,062 we have available, I think it's also important to recognize, 953 00:47:29,062 --> 00:47:30,898 I mean, this is we didn't just, 954 00:47:30,898 --> 00:47:33,784 decide to do this today without making sure we assess the inventory. 955 00:47:33,784 --> 00:47:37,237 The hardware that we have available and in the program we've been talking about. 956 00:47:37,237 --> 00:47:40,224 This is the best in the program for a while. 957 00:47:40,324 --> 00:47:42,025 Just to make sure, because we understand the risks, 958 00:47:42,025 --> 00:47:45,812 the risk profile, we have a unique confluence of of support and vision 959 00:47:45,812 --> 00:47:48,815 and leadership that enables us to do it now, which is why we're doing it now. 960 00:47:48,849 --> 00:47:52,135 But to be clear, we're rolled out a V3 Starship just yesterday. 961 00:47:52,386 --> 00:47:54,087 CSM three is in the factory already. 962 00:47:54,087 --> 00:47:56,073 It's about to be made it together. The heat shield is ready to go. 963 00:47:56,073 --> 00:47:57,090 We're going to meet both of them together. 964 00:47:57,090 --> 00:48:00,093 CSM four is also being populated with hardware. 965 00:48:00,093 --> 00:48:02,496 ESM four has been delivered from Bremen. 966 00:48:02,496 --> 00:48:04,831 The core stage setup for fits the core stage number three. 967 00:48:04,831 --> 00:48:07,534 Is that Masood ready to be shipped here in a couple of months? 968 00:48:07,534 --> 00:48:10,537 With the end of the section for Artemis three is already here. 969 00:48:10,804 --> 00:48:13,257 You know, the barrels for our items, for their items, 970 00:48:13,257 --> 00:48:15,876 for core stage are being rolled. We have all the tools available there. 971 00:48:15,876 --> 00:48:17,844 ML two is 90, 90% complete. 972 00:48:17,844 --> 00:48:19,830 It can be configured however we need to. 973 00:48:19,830 --> 00:48:22,115 All of that hardware is flowing towards the Cape. 974 00:48:22,115 --> 00:48:23,634 We just need to get on with it. 975 00:48:23,634 --> 00:48:27,087 We we have to get our workforce side by side with the teams out in the field, 976 00:48:27,421 --> 00:48:28,255 put this out there 977 00:48:28,255 --> 00:48:32,159 and start working on the hardware, start focusing on the right things and do it. 978 00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:33,594 We can do it. We just need we need it. 979 00:48:33,594 --> 00:48:34,294 We need the energy. 980 00:48:34,294 --> 00:48:37,264 We need the vision and we need the plan to make sure we go do it. 981 00:48:37,264 --> 00:48:38,198 And that's what we're going to work on. 982 00:48:39,449 --> 00:48:40,317 Next question will come 983 00:48:40,317 --> 00:48:43,320 from Jeff Foust with news. 984 00:48:44,254 --> 00:48:45,722 Good morning. 985 00:48:45,722 --> 00:48:47,724 Question for the administrator. 986 00:48:47,724 --> 00:48:50,727 Over the next few years, do you think these changes, 987 00:48:51,144 --> 00:48:53,463 will result in sort of a net cost savings 988 00:48:53,463 --> 00:48:57,084 by standardizing SLAs and not developing the block one B version, 989 00:48:57,868 --> 00:49:01,288 or additional costs by accelerating the pace of missions, 990 00:49:01,655 --> 00:49:05,008 and then maybe just a quick question for Lori on Artemis two. 991 00:49:05,042 --> 00:49:08,045 When do you need to roll back out to the pad, 992 00:49:08,078 --> 00:49:11,548 to be able to support a launch in that early April launch window? 993 00:49:11,581 --> 00:49:13,133 Thank you. 994 00:49:13,133 --> 00:49:13,417 Yeah. 995 00:49:13,417 --> 00:49:16,203 So I'm not going to get into the the PNL here. 996 00:49:16,203 --> 00:49:19,856 As you mentioned, there's obviously some some puts and takes if you standardize, 997 00:49:20,407 --> 00:49:24,428 if you standardize the vehicle, not every one of them again, is a is a work of art. 998 00:49:24,428 --> 00:49:25,946 You're going to save costs. 999 00:49:25,946 --> 00:49:29,099 This is what all of our, manufacturers have been asking for. 1000 00:49:29,099 --> 00:49:31,018 It's why everyone got around this program. 1001 00:49:31,018 --> 00:49:33,787 So, so quickly. No one likes to do lots of one offs. 1002 00:49:33,787 --> 00:49:36,606 Same is applicable for how we want to approach our our lunar landing. 1003 00:49:36,606 --> 00:49:39,960 Like let's do let's let's define some criteria and template this 1004 00:49:40,327 --> 00:49:43,046 I'm sorry this respect to the moon base. 1005 00:49:43,046 --> 00:49:45,399 And then you can forecast lots of demand to industry 1006 00:49:45,399 --> 00:49:47,067 so they can get good at what you need them to do. 1007 00:49:48,418 --> 00:49:50,587 To everyone I'd say is pretty aligned on that. 1008 00:49:50,587 --> 00:49:53,457 Now, at the same time, we're also you're asking people to work faster. 1009 00:49:53,457 --> 00:49:55,359 We're talking about hiring and bringing in workforce. 1010 00:49:55,359 --> 00:49:59,513 So there are areas there where we expect savings as a result of this approach. 1011 00:49:59,513 --> 00:50:01,114 There are areas we expect to spend more. 1012 00:50:01,114 --> 00:50:04,167 We do believe that we have the resources available to achieve this. 1013 00:50:05,318 --> 00:50:07,387 I guess I'll leave it at that. 1014 00:50:07,387 --> 00:50:09,172 And as far as the the roll out 1015 00:50:09,172 --> 00:50:12,309 question, you know, we are working diligently, 1016 00:50:12,576 --> 00:50:15,579 to make the changes that I mentioned at the beginning. 1017 00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:18,148 The work that needs to be done within the VAB, 1018 00:50:18,148 --> 00:50:22,285 we will need, you know, at least, you know, week and a half or so ish, 1019 00:50:22,703 --> 00:50:25,706 out of the pad, to prepare for launch. 1020 00:50:25,889 --> 00:50:29,092 Certainly provide an estimated rollout date when we have that available. 1021 00:50:30,594 --> 00:50:32,045 Next question will come from Micah 1022 00:50:32,045 --> 00:50:35,048 Madan Berg with the Wall Street Journal. 1023 00:50:36,566 --> 00:50:37,534 Hey. Good morning. 1024 00:50:37,534 --> 00:50:39,186 Maybe for the administrator. 1025 00:50:39,186 --> 00:50:43,323 Can you explain a little bit how the new Artemis plan was put together? 1026 00:50:44,107 --> 00:50:47,310 Was this something that was on the shelf when you started 1027 00:50:47,310 --> 00:50:51,031 or brought in with you, or came up after starting? 1028 00:50:51,031 --> 00:50:54,367 Is there a person who's, like, kind of the brainchild for this plan? 1029 00:50:54,367 --> 00:50:56,369 Thanks. 1030 00:50:56,369 --> 00:51:00,240 Yeah, I'd say that this was we we gravitated towards this very quickly. 1031 00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:04,111 And, you know, when, look, obviously, again, it's a huge team effort, 1032 00:51:04,111 --> 00:51:07,114 but when, and, and I started discussing this subject, 1033 00:51:07,380 --> 00:51:09,866 he said, we have a plan. 1034 00:51:09,866 --> 00:51:11,968 So again, there's a lot of people here at NASA 1035 00:51:11,968 --> 00:51:15,038 that didn't lose their history books, understand the right way, 1036 00:51:15,989 --> 00:51:17,824 to go about achieving, 1037 00:51:17,824 --> 00:51:20,343 you know, an incredibly challenging objective like this. 1038 00:51:20,343 --> 00:51:24,397 Now, you know, if there is, as Ahmed is also pointed out, 1039 00:51:24,698 --> 00:51:27,968 we are in a situation now, where between, 1040 00:51:28,568 --> 00:51:31,538 a national space policy that aligns whole of government 1041 00:51:31,538 --> 00:51:35,826 congressional appropriations, and the plus ups from the one big, beautiful bill 1042 00:51:35,826 --> 00:51:40,747 we can, act on a plan, that gives us the highest probability of success. 1043 00:51:41,765 --> 00:51:43,950 We'll take our next question 1044 00:51:43,950 --> 00:51:46,953 up here in the front row. 1045 00:51:47,821 --> 00:51:49,823 Hi, Cameron Schwartz for the Launchpad Network. 1046 00:51:49,823 --> 00:51:52,292 Thank you for your time and all the updates today. 1047 00:51:52,292 --> 00:51:55,595 I don't want to get ahead of myself, but I did want to ask about the increased 1048 00:51:55,595 --> 00:51:59,916 cadence and what sort of mission, profiles that unlocks for you guys. 1049 00:51:59,916 --> 00:52:04,704 And do you expect SLS to kind of be a big part of building the moon base? 1050 00:52:10,443 --> 00:52:10,644 Yeah. 1051 00:52:10,644 --> 00:52:14,498 So I think, you know, like, like the boss said, we have to we're going to use the 1052 00:52:14,548 --> 00:52:15,098 all the hardware. 1053 00:52:15,098 --> 00:52:18,602 We have to achieve these missions or put the objectives together as we've decided. 1054 00:52:18,602 --> 00:52:19,803 You know, it's pretty clear, you know, 1055 00:52:19,803 --> 00:52:22,806 we have to be able to demonstrate in space activity, 1056 00:52:23,106 --> 00:52:23,857 the launch cadence, 1057 00:52:23,857 --> 00:52:27,511 you know, reliable Earth ascent, reliable lunar descent and reliable lunar ascent 1058 00:52:27,744 --> 00:52:29,880 surface operations, all that has to be demonstrated. Right. 1059 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:30,330 So we're going to 1060 00:52:30,330 --> 00:52:31,648 we're going to put those objectives 1061 00:52:31,648 --> 00:52:33,683 into the plan. We have we have scope that out already 1062 00:52:33,683 --> 00:52:35,785 because that was the kind of end state here. 1063 00:52:35,785 --> 00:52:37,537 But what we're trying to do is, 1064 00:52:37,537 --> 00:52:40,257 you know, put them into manageable chunks that we can actually fly 1065 00:52:40,257 --> 00:52:43,793 quick more quickly because that that pace, that cadence is what really will lead 1066 00:52:44,094 --> 00:52:46,496 to reliability and safety. And that's what we need to do now. 1067 00:52:46,496 --> 00:52:48,448 We have the hardware we have. We're going to work. 1068 00:52:48,448 --> 00:52:51,568 We're going to do everything we can to to utilize it to the maximum extent. 1069 00:52:51,568 --> 00:52:54,838 And then as we said, we have all of industry supporting this. 1070 00:52:54,838 --> 00:52:56,673 And so whatever hardware we have going forward, 1071 00:52:56,673 --> 00:52:58,208 we're going to we're going to take advantage of to, 1072 00:52:58,208 --> 00:52:59,459 to provide that regular cadence. 1073 00:53:01,144 --> 00:53:02,195 Next question will come from 1074 00:53:02,195 --> 00:53:05,198 Marcia Smith with Space Policy Online. 1075 00:53:05,932 --> 00:53:07,567 Thanks so much. 1076 00:53:07,567 --> 00:53:11,638 I'm assuming that you have reached this to the relevant people in Congress. 1077 00:53:11,638 --> 00:53:16,593 I'm learning what the reaction is, especially to your decision to eliminate, 1078 00:53:17,527 --> 00:53:20,914 the block one B and the, block two of SLS, 1079 00:53:20,914 --> 00:53:24,000 which was part of the 2010 Mass Authorization Act. 1080 00:53:24,367 --> 00:53:27,354 So is Congress behind this as well? 1081 00:53:27,387 --> 00:53:30,907 We've, as I mentioned, we're we we try not to have a, 1082 00:53:31,258 --> 00:53:36,479 we try to maintain a no surprises policy here, at NASA to do the near impossible. 1083 00:53:36,479 --> 00:53:38,949 Takes the contributions from everyone. 1084 00:53:38,949 --> 00:53:42,085 We want to be very aligned before we go public on a matter like this. 1085 00:53:42,085 --> 00:53:44,037 So we've spoken to industry. 1086 00:53:44,037 --> 00:53:46,890 Can you can you meet the demand? 1087 00:53:46,890 --> 00:53:48,475 The answer is yes. 1088 00:53:48,475 --> 00:53:52,762 Go. We've certainly spoken to all of our our our, stakeholders on the Hill. 1089 00:53:52,796 --> 00:53:56,216 They all understand, that this is the path forward. 1090 00:53:57,784 --> 00:53:59,436 And I would say I, 1091 00:53:59,436 --> 00:54:02,906 I don't think I heard a single, objection on these subjects. 1092 00:54:02,906 --> 00:54:05,425 Like, everyone understands what's at stake here. 1093 00:54:05,425 --> 00:54:09,629 I mentioned before, we don't have a lot of schedule margin here. 1094 00:54:09,879 --> 00:54:12,966 You know, the implications of coming up short go well beyond, 1095 00:54:13,984 --> 00:54:15,118 space. 1096 00:54:15,118 --> 00:54:19,623 I mean, this does, you know, this is, you know, America in 1960s. 1097 00:54:19,623 --> 00:54:22,075 You get to the moon, you do what no one thought was possible. 1098 00:54:22,075 --> 00:54:24,327 It sends a message. I wonder what else they're capable of doing. 1099 00:54:24,327 --> 00:54:25,045 You come up short, 1100 00:54:25,045 --> 00:54:28,898 it sends the opposite message of where else could, something be broken? 1101 00:54:29,132 --> 00:54:33,186 I think everyone understands that fact that industry got behind this, 1102 00:54:33,186 --> 00:54:36,056 I think, makes it very easy for our very supportive partners 1103 00:54:36,056 --> 00:54:37,207 in Congress to get behind it. 1104 00:54:37,207 --> 00:54:41,011 And and honestly, they helped enable us, in this regard 1105 00:54:41,011 --> 00:54:44,664 through the Working Family Tax Cut Act, through the one big, beautiful bill 1106 00:54:44,664 --> 00:54:47,667 that is giving us the resources to be able to, 1107 00:54:47,667 --> 00:54:51,054 to undertake this not and I will just say again, you know, 1108 00:54:51,538 --> 00:54:54,758 all the national security implications of actually meeting an objective is 1109 00:54:54,758 --> 00:54:57,027 important is getting to the moon and building a base to side 1110 00:54:57,027 --> 00:54:58,828 in the competition associated with it. 1111 00:54:58,828 --> 00:55:01,831 There is simply a right and wrong way to go about doing this, 1112 00:55:02,132 --> 00:55:05,735 launching every three years and changing the massive changes 1113 00:55:05,735 --> 00:55:08,938 in the configuration of the vehicle is not a recipe for success. 1114 00:55:09,606 --> 00:55:12,242 And again, I think all our stakeholders and all our partners understand that. 1115 00:55:13,293 --> 00:55:14,377 Next question 1116 00:55:14,377 --> 00:55:17,364 in the back in the green. 1117 00:55:18,631 --> 00:55:20,016 Yeah. 1118 00:55:20,016 --> 00:55:24,938 Good morning, Melanie Holt WFTV and really I'm looking for a clarification. 1119 00:55:24,938 --> 00:55:29,492 You've made a lot of major announcements in terms of these Artemis updates. 1120 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,762 Artemis three specifically, 1121 00:55:32,762 --> 00:55:36,416 is the goal still a lunar landing or has that 1122 00:55:36,933 --> 00:55:39,936 mission profile somehow changed? 1123 00:55:39,953 --> 00:55:42,272 Artemis three will be a, rendezvous 1124 00:55:42,272 --> 00:55:45,608 with one or both landers in low-Earth orbit in 2027. 1125 00:55:46,042 --> 00:55:49,829 So we're basically, pulling in Artemis three and recognizing 1126 00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:54,217 just the reality that going right from a, a free return 1127 00:55:54,217 --> 00:55:57,504 around the moon to landing on it is too big of a gap. 1128 00:55:58,388 --> 00:56:01,658 And we cannot accept the flight rate of a vehicle this important and complicated 1129 00:56:01,658 --> 00:56:02,459 every three years. 1130 00:56:02,459 --> 00:56:06,413 So we're going to launch, in a year from now, in 2027, 1131 00:56:06,746 --> 00:56:09,399 then start taking down risks for the eventual landing. 1132 00:56:09,399 --> 00:56:13,436 So Artemis three will be a rendezvous and low orbit with one or both landers. 1133 00:56:13,987 --> 00:56:16,973 And then Artemis four and Artemis five. 1134 00:56:17,307 --> 00:56:21,444 We'll we will we will endeavor to have two opportunities in 2028 1135 00:56:21,745 --> 00:56:22,746 to attempt a landing 1136 00:56:23,963 --> 00:56:24,547 just to 1137 00:56:24,547 --> 00:56:27,534 maybe help, because I know folks are trying to process, 1138 00:56:27,717 --> 00:56:31,438 the Artemis campaign is a test program, okay? 1139 00:56:31,438 --> 00:56:32,405 And we we do. 1140 00:56:32,405 --> 00:56:35,108 We talk a lot about these all up tests of SLS, Orion 1141 00:56:35,108 --> 00:56:36,893 and the missions where we put the crew on it. 1142 00:56:36,893 --> 00:56:38,728 We are doing tests at the component level, 1143 00:56:38,728 --> 00:56:41,398 at the assembly level all over the country all the time. 1144 00:56:41,398 --> 00:56:43,883 And I want you guys to start thinking about that aspect of it, 1145 00:56:43,883 --> 00:56:45,118 that that's what we're doing. 1146 00:56:45,118 --> 00:56:48,121 So these, these these are very important tests, these flights. 1147 00:56:48,238 --> 00:56:49,956 But every single one of these tests is important. 1148 00:56:49,956 --> 00:56:51,758 We're going to do an uncrewed demonstration. 1149 00:56:51,758 --> 00:56:53,276 With the landing missions we're going to do right now 1150 00:56:53,276 --> 00:56:56,346 we have a mach one, Blue Origin lander in the chamber, a Johnson. 1151 00:56:56,346 --> 00:56:56,846 We're doing, 1152 00:56:56,846 --> 00:56:59,732 you know, human in the loop testing with the axiom suits right now 1153 00:56:59,732 --> 00:57:01,868 that is also contributing to this end state, right. 1154 00:57:01,868 --> 00:57:03,987 So when you guys think about this, how we're doing, 1155 00:57:03,987 --> 00:57:06,756 if you want, if you want to, we we're not going to over specify 1156 00:57:06,756 --> 00:57:09,843 at each junction what goes in each particular flight. 1157 00:57:09,843 --> 00:57:10,794 What we're trying to tell you is 1158 00:57:10,794 --> 00:57:13,463 we are thinking about this now as an integrated test plan. 1159 00:57:13,463 --> 00:57:14,364 Those test objectives 1160 00:57:14,364 --> 00:57:18,234 has to be achieved as incrementally and as successfully as possible at every step. 1161 00:57:18,234 --> 00:57:20,703 Build on that learning at each subsequent step 1162 00:57:20,703 --> 00:57:22,772 to eventually lead to the ultimate objectives 1163 00:57:22,772 --> 00:57:25,775 which are set out in the in the policy and the direction we've been given. 1164 00:57:26,159 --> 00:57:26,976 We'll just say we 1165 00:57:26,976 --> 00:57:29,379 we do have a couple infographics that are gonna come out and help, 1166 00:57:29,379 --> 00:57:31,464 because we do recognize this is a little bit of a change. 1167 00:57:31,464 --> 00:57:34,567 So you can at least visualize what and what we imagine in Artemis 1168 00:57:34,617 --> 00:57:37,137 three and four and five, mission will look like. 1169 00:57:37,137 --> 00:57:38,671 We have time for one more question. 1170 00:57:38,671 --> 00:57:39,923 It'll be from you in the white. There. 1171 00:57:43,893 --> 00:57:46,896 Yes. Burt Dict from the National Space Society. 1172 00:57:47,130 --> 00:57:48,548 This is all very exciting. 1173 00:57:48,548 --> 00:57:50,099 As the administrator mentioned, 1174 00:57:50,099 --> 00:57:54,087 about the loss of muscle memory after a launch every three years, 1175 00:57:54,804 --> 00:57:57,807 I see the same impact on public perception 1176 00:57:58,258 --> 00:58:01,945 because a lot of the public didn't even wasn't even aware of what's going on here. 1177 00:58:02,278 --> 00:58:07,984 Do you see this as a byproduct, a good opportunity to enhance, the public 1178 00:58:07,984 --> 00:58:10,987 awareness and public engagement and public enthusiasm 1179 00:58:11,137 --> 00:58:14,123 about the Artemis program? 1180 00:58:14,190 --> 00:58:17,494 Well, for sure, I mean, we have no doubt, you know, it's mentioned 1181 00:58:17,494 --> 00:58:21,097 many times that it's, you know, it's a different environment than the 1960s. 1182 00:58:21,097 --> 00:58:24,083 There's more than three channels on a TV. So, 1183 00:58:24,417 --> 00:58:27,420 you know, capturing people's attention at times can be challenging. 1184 00:58:27,420 --> 00:58:28,388 I have no doubt. 1185 00:58:28,388 --> 00:58:32,675 When Artemis two, takes flight, the world will take notice to that. 1186 00:58:33,810 --> 00:58:35,828 And, and it's it is it's 1187 00:58:35,828 --> 00:58:38,214 going to be an exciting to me, the most historic mission, 1188 00:58:38,214 --> 00:58:40,133 human spaceflight mission more than a half century. 1189 00:58:40,133 --> 00:58:41,034 But, yes. 1190 00:58:41,034 --> 00:58:43,653 How do you how do you maintain, that momentum? 1191 00:58:43,653 --> 00:58:45,605 How do you keep the public engaged on it? 1192 00:58:45,605 --> 00:58:49,142 Well, certainly, flying every three years isn't the right approach to that. So. 1193 00:58:49,292 --> 00:58:52,262 Nor is it, as I mentioned before, even technically the right strategy 1194 00:58:52,262 --> 00:58:54,864 to achieve something as extraordinary as a lunar landing. 1195 00:58:54,864 --> 00:58:57,150 So, I am certainly hopeful 1196 00:58:57,150 --> 00:59:01,137 for all the operational technical benefits that come, with this new approach. 1197 00:59:01,137 --> 00:59:02,438 But I do believe it. 1198 00:59:02,438 --> 00:59:04,707 It helps keep the public engaged, which again, it 1199 00:59:04,707 --> 00:59:06,025 that's fundamental to what we do. 1200 00:59:06,025 --> 00:59:09,896 We want we want to see a lot more kids dressing up as astronauts on Halloween, 1201 00:59:10,313 --> 00:59:12,966 inspiring the next generation to take us a lot farther than the moon is 1202 00:59:12,966 --> 00:59:13,533 part of the plan 1203 00:59:15,051 --> 00:59:16,920 that will conclude today's news conference. 1204 00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:18,538 Thank you to all of the media who joined us, 1205 00:59:18,538 --> 00:59:21,541 and for your continued coverage of America's return to the moon. 1206 00:59:21,608 --> 00:59:25,411 As a reminder, you can follow along with the mission at nasa.gov/artemis. 1207 00:59:25,862 --> 00:59:27,230 Thank you, and we'll see you next time.