Europa is widely considered the most likely place
in our solar system beyond Earth to have life right now,
its moon, an icy world orbiting Jupiter
beneath its icy surface.
A global ocean of water everywhere on Earth
that there's water, there's life.
So we want to understand.
Could Europa be a place where life might exist today?
Three. Two.
One. Liftoff.
Europa Clipper is the first mission
dedicated to exploring Europa.
This is the largest interplanetary spacecraft
NASA has ever built and launched.
We have the right team, the right technologies
to leverage, to go to Europa now
and unlock those mysteries that are just waiting for us.
The pictures we're going to get from Europa Clipper
are going to blow our minds.
How could you not be excited about something as
monumental as this?
Welcome to NASA Science Live.
Today, we're pulling back the curtain
on one of the most exciting space missions of our time.
Europa Clipper, a mission that will explore
Jupiter's icy moon, revealing what's beneath its surface.
I'm your host Tahira Allen, and I am so excited
to be here with you today.
Now, here's the best part.
Today isn't all about us talking.
It's about you.
If you have questions throughout the show,
send them in using the hashtag.
#AskNASA on social media or drop them directly
into the comments wherever you're watching.
Okay, let's jump right in.
What makes this mission so special?
It's Europa, one of Jupiter's 95 moons that likely has a vast
liquid ocean hidden beneath its icy surface.
The Europa Clipper spacecraft will travel all the way
to this mysterious moon.
To answer one big question.
Does Europa have suitable conditions to support life
as we know it?
Today,
I'm joined by two incredible guests from NASA's
Jet Propulsion
Laboratory who are helping make this mission possible.
First up, we have Cynthia Phillips, Europa
Clipper Project's staff scientist.
Welcome, Cynthia.
Thanks to Hera.
I'm so excited to be here today.
And Jenny Kampmeier, Europa Clipper, science systems
engineer.
It is great to see you, Jenny.
It's great to be here Tahira.
Thanks for having me.
Yeah.
Thank you both so much for being here.
Can you start off by telling our viewers
a little bit about your roles at NASA?
Cynthia, we'll start with you.
Sure. Yeah.
So I'm a project staff scientist on the Europa Clipper mission,
and that means I basically work to help the project scientist
and the science team.
Make sure that the mission has everything it needs to be able
to accomplish its top level science goals and objectives.
And I'm also a planetary geologist, so I'm really excited
about getting to see Europa.
And what about you, Jenny?
Yeah.
So I'm the science systems engineer for Europa Clipper.
And basically what that means is that I sit
kind of right on the boundary between science and engineering.
So I work really closely with the science team,
helping to kind of explain engineering constraints
and how they might affect the science
that we're going to take.
And then I also work really closely
with the engineering team,
to make sure that we're getting,
you know, the most science, the best science
we possibly can with this incredible spacecraft.
So it's a really cool job getting to kind of,
you know, help work
really closely with these kind of two sides of the project.
Yeah.
And Jenny, we actually spent the day
with you at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory,
where Europa Clipper was built, to learn more about your role
in the mission as part of NASA's Behind the Spacecraft series.
So let's take a look right now.
It's a surreal experience to know that we're doing
some really humanity changing science with the spacecraft.
My name is Jenny Kampmeier and I work on Europa Clipper, helping
science fiction become science reality.
Europa Clipper is NASA's flagship mission to explore
a moon of Jupiter called Europa.
It is our most promising candidate in the solar system
to look for a habitable environment.
So here's our Europa Clipper spacecraft being built to see
something that's been on paper for so long, actually, here.
That's an incredible feeling.
I sit right on the boundary between science and engineering
decisions that are made on the engineering
side, and decisions
that are made on the science side
often have effects on each other that we don't always see.
And so my job is to kind of help
make those two things work together.
I have a bit of a nontraditional background.
I play the flute and was a professional musician
in New York City.
And then I had
a bit of a serendipitous moment and happened to see the last
space shuttle launch,
had a lightning bolt moment of, I have to go do that.
There are a lot of similarities between music and engineering
playing in an orchestra.
You are focused on what you're doing,
and you have to be listening
to a different section and what they're doing.
Then you have to all be watching
the conductor for one performance.
That has to go flawlessly.
To me, that's the same as working on an engineering team.
We're all kind of moving towards the same goal.
That has to work because we get one shot at it.
One of the reasons I ended up studying music
is that I felt a little intimidated
by the engineering program, where I was the only woman.
And so that experience made me feel like
I didn't belong there and that I couldn't do this kind of work.
So I spent a lot of time working with all sorts of groups
of people and students to let them know
that they do have a place here,
even if they don't fit a stereotype.
I can't wait for Europa Clipper to get launched, and seeing it
leave Earth on its way to Jupiter
is going to be an experience I'll never forget.
So cool.
I mean, seeing the making of this mission
is always so impressive for our viewers.
If you would like to watch more episodes from this season
of Behind the Spacecraft, you can visit go.nasa.gov
/EuropaClipperBTS.
Okay, let's dive into the details about why
NASA chose to send a spacecraft to Europa Symphony.
Cynthia, we know that life on Earth needs certain ingredients.
Can you break those down for us and explain why scientists
think those ingredients may also be present at Europa?
Yeah. So?
So, as you heard, Europa's this moon of Jupiter,
it has this ice layer at the surface,
but under that ice, there's this huge ocean of liquid water.
And we're pretty sure there's more water there
than all of Earth's oceans combined.
And so water is really one of the key ingredients for life.
And when I say life, I mean life as we know it. Life
that's here on the earth today, it relies on liquid water.
And basically almost everywhere that we found
water on the earth, we found life there.
And so we think
that water is one of those key kind of ingredients for life.
But you can't just have water.
The second ingredient is the right chemical elements.
So these are things like carbon, nitrogen, hydrogen,
phosphorus, sulfur, oxygen.
They're elements that are pretty common
in the solar system.
And so we're pretty sure
that those exist on Europa in sufficient quantities.
But then the third ingredient is an energy source.
It would be really boring if all you had was this water.
You had these chemicals, and there was no energy
to drive chemical reactions. Right?
There's nothing that actually could happen.
And so in the case of Europa, we think that what there is
is there's a couple possible energy sources.
One is, there could be hydrothermal systems.
So these are vents of like
heated superheated water at the bottom of Europa's ocean
where the water could circulate into the crust.
You could
you could get all sorts of interesting chemical reactions
that could take place there.
And hydrothermal vents are a
place of abundant life on the bottom of Earth's oceans.
So it's possible that those could exist
at the bottom of Europa's ocean as well.
Another energy source also could come from the surface,
Europa's surfaces bombarded by really high energy radiation.
And this radiation
can also make chemical reactions happen at the surface,
creating perhaps interesting oxidants and organics
that then, if they could work their way
down through that ice layer into the ocean.
They could also help be a food source.
They could supply an energy source for life, basically.
So we think Europa could have all the ingredients for life.
So this is super exciting.
And you know, we we think the ingredients are there.
But Ginny, how is the spacecraft specifically designed to
search for these ingredients?
Yeah, absolutely.
It's a great question.
So we have an incredible
payload of instruments that are onboard the spacecraft.
We have ten,
science investigations, and you can kind of see them
here in the video being called out
all of the different, instruments
and investigations that are onboard the spacecraft.
And we kind of think of this payload
almost like a really high tech Swiss
Army knife that's going to help us, study,
you know, everything about Europa.
So we don't have enough time to talk through,
you know, all ten of these things in detail.
But, what I can say
is that we kind of divide them into two groups.
So we have a group of imagers, and these are, instruments
that will be taking, images of the surface of Europa
in a lot of different wavelengths of light.
So, of course, we'll be taking,
high resolution color imagery in the visible spectrum,
but we'll also be taking images and data in the infrared
and the ultraviolet.
We also have a thermal imager,
which is kind of
a very high tech pair of night vision goggles where we can see,
you know, places on the surface that are warmer
where maybe water has seeped up through the ice.
So that's kind of our set of imagers.
And then we have a set of, experiments that are kind
of, fields and particles, investigations.
And so these are things that are going to be,
measuring things directly
around the environment of the spacecraft.
So we have a couple that are measuring, gas and dust and,
other particles, things
that may have gotten kicked off the surface of Europa
and are kind of trapped, in the gravity of,
you know, Europa's gravity field.
We also have a, an ice penetrating radar
that's going to look
onto the interior of Europa
and help us see the thickness of the ice,
and how much water is there.
And then we have a set of instruments
that are going to measure the plasma
fields, the magnetic fields
and the gravity fields around Europa.
And so understanding kind of that full picture
of what's going on
not only inside of Europa and on the surface,
but also in the the environment around
the moon is going to help us characterize,
you know, the moon in its entirety
and help us understand if this is a place that is habitable.
This is, like, amazing to hear.
And, you know, we're talking a lot about ingredients.
But Cynthia,
a question we always get is will the spacecraft
actually find life once it gets to Europa?
Yeah, that's that's kind of one of the key questions
about this mission.
And so the answer is a little bit complicated.
So this is not a life detection mission per se.
It's what we call a habitability mission.
So basically our top level science goal is to explore
Europa to understand its habitability.
And so when I say habitability, I basically mean
are there places below Europa's surface
that could support life as we know it.
So are there say pockets of water
within the ice shell that could support life?
Or could the ocean itself support life?
And so that's what Europa Clipper is going to do.
It's going to look for
look for those signs of habitability,
those signs of places that could support life,
that could have all of those ingredients.
And then a future follow up mission
that actually
touches the surface in some way, like a lander or something
like that.
You're really going
to need a mission like that to do that life detection step,
so to say, not just is Europa habitable, but is it inhabited?
Is there life existing there today?
You're going to have to land.
You're going to have to, you know,
get some of that surface material or subsurface material
onto some onboard experiments to really do
that life detection step.
And, you know, before Clipper
can even make these observations, Ginny,
I understand the spacecraft has to withstand
a really punishing radiation environment at Jupiter.
Can you tell us what it's going up against?
And is Europa Clipper prepared?
Yeah, absolutely.
So as you said, it's
a really intense radiation environment there.
Jupiter is a huge source of radiation and it has,
massive magnetic fields that are trapping
that radiation, close to the planet.
And yeah, you can see a really cool, animation of that here.
And Europa is orbiting within those magnetic fields inside
of that kind of really, really intense radiation environment.
And radiation and sensitive spacecraft
electronics don't play nicely together.
And so we've had to do
a lot of preparation for this environment.
It's one of the most intense places
that you can send a spacecraft, in our solar system.
So we get at this a couple different ways.
One is that we put a lot of our sensitive electronics inside
what we call the vault.
The vault is a piece of the spacecraft.
It's basically
a large cube that that contains all of the spacecraft.
You know, hard, hard drives.
The flight software is stored
there, and a lot of the sensitive
electrical components are inside of that vault.
That vault has about a third of an inch thick, shielding.
That's an aluminum zinc alloy shielding.
And that really helps protect it from from the radiation.
Some radiation, of course, is going to get, into,
you know, parts of the spacecraft
that aren't inside the vault.
And some will still get through that shield.
And we deal with that somewhat in software.
So sometimes radiation can cause, bit flips.
So you can cause a one to turn into a zero or vice versa.
And so we can use software
to actually detect
when that happens and correct those errors as they happen.
The other thing too is you can see, of course,
the solar panels are not inside the vault.
They're just hanging out there.
So how do we protect things like that from radiation?
And the short answer is we don't.
We actually just kind of plan for it.
We know,
you know, how much power the solar panels will produce,
and we know that they'll degrade over time
from the radiation at a certain rate.
You know,
we have a lot of historical data that can help us understand
how much these things will degrade over time.
And so we just kind of plan for it.
We know that the that we will slowly lose,
power over the course of the mission,
but that we have plenty of power to do our prime mission
and then some, and to support all of the science we want
to get at Europa.
And so both of you have touched on this a little bit,
but it's worth
driving home
that Europa Clipper will not actually be landing on Europa.
It will be orbiting Jupiter.
Jeanine, can you talk a little bit more about that?
Yeah, definitely.
So, yeah, as you said, we're not landing on Europa.
This is an orbiting mission, although we do
hope in the future that we'll send a spacecraft
that will land on Europa
and we'll get to actually, you know, touch the surface itself.
Yeah.
But we are going to be
orbiting Jupiter and doing about 50 flybys of Europa.
And we orbit Jupiter rather than Europa directly
because of that radiation environment.
We basically want to dip in, do a flyby,
get a bunch of data around Europa,
and then get out of there.
And so we do that so that we can kind of extend
the life of the mission and get as much science
as we can, doing those flybys of Europa.
And so you know,
the, those 50 flybys that we're going to be doing
that's going to give us kind of that global picture of Europa.
We're going to be flying over
lots of different parts of the surface
and making sure that we can study this moon in its entirety.
Well, thank you both so much for that quick overview.
But we already have so many questions pouring in online.
It's actually pretty incredible.
So let's jump right into this Q&A.
And remember,
if you're tuning in live
right now,
you can submit your own
questions for Ginny and Cynthia using the hashtag ask NASA.
Or by posting those questions
into the comments wherever you're watching.
So our first question is from Bruce on YouTube.
Who wants to know
that since Europa is tidally locked to Jupiter
over time, wouldn't the oceans have shifted
to the Jupiter facing side of Europa
instead of being uniformly spread around the moon?
Cynthia,
that's a great question.
So so, yes. So Europa is tidally locked.
That means that
one side of Europa
always faces Jupiter, and one side always faces away.
And, Europa orbits Jupiter about every three
and a half days, approximately.
So what we think, though, it's true
that when Europa is closer to Jupiter, it gets tugged on
and that stretching and pulling produces
tidal heating in the interior of the moon.
And that's enough heating to keep this ocean liquid.
So that's kind of the heat source
that keeps this moon from just being frozen solid.
It's this, this tidal heating, this tidal energy.
But we think that the the ocean is big enough, so
it's global enough that heat is basically conducted.
It's circulated through the ocean.
So so, yeah.
So the ocean does stay as a whole global layer.
It's not frozen on one side and liquid on the other side.
Our evidence shows that it's actually a global
frozen subsurface ocean layer, a liquid subsurface ocean layer.
That's great.
And so we have a follow up question from Bryan on ECS.
Who wants to know, you know, what specific data will
the spacecraft be looking for at Europa Journey?
You talked about that wonderful suite of instruments.
Can you, can you hit on this?
Yeah, absolutely.
And, Cynthia, feel free to jump into if I leave anything out.
But, so we're going to be taking
a lot of different types of data with the spacecraft.
And it's really cool to me that, you know,
we're not landing on the surface,
but we can still really get,
an incredible amount of information
just from doing these successive flybys.
So one of the most, kind of clear,
easiest to understand pieces of data
that we're going to be taking is images.
So we'll be taking a lot of images of the surface.
And, you know, when we take an image, it's
not just a beautiful photo, although they will be
kind of mind blowing beautiful photos.
But we can actually study things like the shadows and,
you know,
look at the different colorations
and the different variations of things
and learn a lot about the geology,
why things look the way they do just from looking at photos.
So it's a really kind of incredible thing.
And then of course, when you take similar photos
and different wavelengths of light,
that will teach you about the composition of the surface.
So, you know, different,
different things will kind of react
differently in different wavelengths of light.
And so that'll give us a really good sense
of what the surface is made of.
With our radar instrument, we're going to be taking radar
grams of the interior of Europa.
So you could imagine
kind of little X-ray goggles looking into the, the, the,
you know, interior of the moon
and getting a sense of how thick the ice is,
you know, how much water is there?
Are there places where the ice is thinner?
That will be complemented by our gravity experiment
that's going to be measuring the gravitational field.
So we'll be understanding,
you know, the kind of gravity around Europa, places
where the gravity might be slightly different.
And again, that can help us understand
what's going on inside of the moon as well.
We, you know, so those are kinds of things
that we're, you know,
going to be looking at the, the,
the moon from the outside,
but we also have a whole bunch of, of, spectroscopy
instruments on board the spacecraft.
It's going to be tasting particles and gas and dust
and things that are kind of above the surface of Europa.
Some of those things may have actually
been kicked off of the surface,
and these instruments will be detecting them
and tasting them and identifying
kind of what these molecules are,
and how fast they were moving and that kind of thing.
So we have a whole huge variety of data
that we're going to be taking, when we get there,
that's really going to help us understand this moon.
Cynthia, do you have any follow up?
No. Great answer.
I'm putting you on the science team, Jenny.
Well, I have a
I have a great follow up for you, Cynthia.
So, you know, Jenny just broke down
all the data holistically of what
we're really trying to look for in this mission.
But we have rocket man Randy on ECS, who asks
what is the most promising indicator of life
beneath the ice that you'll be searching for?
Yeah.
So, you know, we're not expecting there to be,
like, multicellular,
you know, fish or anything in Europa's ocean.
We're not going to complain if somehow, you know,
a fish gets thrown out and,
you know, crashes into our spacecraft,
we'll make sure we get pictures of it.
But that's what we're expecting to find here. Right.
So so, you know, most models of life
and Europa, you're talking about like little tiny,
like microscopic single celled kind of life forms.
But even those would be super, super excited about.
And so scientists have a lot of debate
about what is a biosignature, you know, what kind of
what kind of measurement would you need to take to either
direct life to detect life directly, or at least,
you know, tell you something about,
you know, clues that maybe there is life.
And so the, the dust detector and gas detector
that Jenny was just mentioning,
are two of our best ways to make kind of
as direct measurements as we can of Europa from orbit.
So from space.
And so, so, like Jenny was saying,
there's going to be particles
that are thrown off of the surface of Europa,
either through micrometeorite impacts.
That's like little bits of space.
Dust crashes into the surface
and it throws up a bits of Europa surface into space.
There's also charged particles from all that radiation.
Those also hit the surface, and they could throw some of the
surface off into space.
And so basically those particles make a really, really
thin atmosphere surrounding Europa that we think is made
of kind of little bits of the surface and so on.
Our close flybys,
like Jenny was saying, we'll be able to use
our, our dust detector and our gas detector,
to actually suck in some of those particles.
So we'll, we'll,
we'll actually take those particles
onboard the spacecraft into our detectors,
and we can study their chemistry.
And so, you know,
because those particles have been they've been ejected
off the surface in a pretty high energy event.
You know, things like DNA,
if the
if it existed somehow on the surface,
it would probably get really, really fractured.
And so we're not going to be able to detect like big, huge,
you know, complex organic molecules.
But what we will be able to detect
is kind of the building blocks as these
these particles get broken down as they hit our detectors,
we can measure kind of the
fundamental chemistry that they're made of.
And so that, in my opinion, is going to be one of
our best kind of clues, one of our best signs that,
you know, maybe there's some really
something really interesting going on there that could help
lead us toward thinking that there could be life there.
And I know you mentioned earlier,
you know, just to have a building block by itself
doesn't necessarily mean that there's habitability.
They all need to be like in context of each other.
And so could you talk more
about the bigger picture of how these individual observations
can tell that bigger that bigger story that covers change?
Yeah.
So so the,
the one of the really cool things about our instruments on
Europa Clipper is that they're all designed to work together.
So on some spacecraft, previously,
you know, you had to fly by
and then if you wanted to take a picture with your camera,
you have to rotate your spacecraft in one direction.
And then to use the radar,
you have to rotate it in a different direction.
And so we made sure in Europa Clipper
that all of our remote sensing instruments,
all of those imagers that Jenny was talking about,
they're all pointed in the same direction.
So basically, on each flyby, during close approach,
we don't have to pick.
We can basically take observations
of the same part of the surface with all of our instruments.
And then at the same time, we're also collecting,
you know, the gas and the dust that are spewed off the surface.
We're collecting those at the same time
with our with our gas detector and our dust detector.
We're taking those radar measurements,
we're taking those gravity measurements,
and those magnetic field measurements.
So basically all of those
are going to be taken simultaneously on each flyby.
And so that's just really exciting because as a geologist,
you know, you get
you get a lot of information for pictures. And I mean, I'm
a pictures person, I love pictures of Europa.
But being able to understand more about those pictures
by having,
you know, the compositional information
and then having the radar information
to tell you the 3D structure and then having information
about what was the magnetic field measurement right there
as we flew by.
It's really going to be the combination
of all of these different instruments
that's going to help us understand Europa.
It's going to be fantastic.
Yeah. What an engineering marvel.
You know, congratulations to the entire team.
And so we've we've been talking a little bit about images.
And I know that's something that a lot of people are looking
forward to.
We have Antonio Gallo on X who asks what will be the expected
image resolution of the images that Clipper will provide,
and what size of the objects in the surface
will it be able to see?
So essentially like
how much is that surface visibility going to be for us?
Jenny, I see you shaking your he
Yeah, I think I might actually toss it to Cynthia.
I think I know the answer, but I think
she'll know it for sure. So.
Yeah. So.
So the highest resolution pictures will get
will be at a resolution of about half a meter per pixel.
So that's about a foot and a half.
And so basically we'll be able to see things that are,
you know, like three feet across.
And so,
you know,
if there's a car driving around in Europa,
we'll be able to see it really well.
And yeah, I know it's crazy.
And we'll also be able to use those pictures to get stereo.
So not only will be
we'll be able to see kind of car sized objects on the surface,
but we'll also be able to see, you know, how tall they are,
what their sort of 3D structure is.
And that's just going to be amazing.
And so I have a follow up question.
Honestly, maybe both of you could answer it.
So we have a viewer on YouTube who asks what considerations
went in to selecting Europa for this mission over
the other potential targets, like Titan or Ganymede?
Do we want to take it from science or engineering?
Yeah.
Well,
I'll at least start
by saying that, I want to go to all of these places.
So I think it's just a matter of, you know, when we get to go.
Right?
So, we're going to Europa now, which is incredible.
And there's so much we're going to learn there.
It is, of course, kind of one of our most
promising places in the solar system
to look for a habitable, habitable environment.
But we have, you know, other missions
that are being planned to these other bodies.
Of course, there's a lot of excitement
about Enceladus, too, a moon of Saturn
that is also kind of an icy ocean world.
So, you know, just from a totally selfish perspective,
I want to go to all of these places. So let's go.
Yeah.
I'm totally with you.
Just, you know, build me a couple more Europa
Clipper send, and we'll send them everywhere.
All right.
The reason why,
and one of the reasons why Europa was chosen
to be kind of the next flagship
destination was that, coming out of the Galileo mission.
So that was a mission in the late 1990s that studied
Jupiter.
The Jupiter system, and its moons, including Europa.
That was really when we sort of started this whole revelation
of the idea of an ocean world, the idea that an ocean
could exist out in the outer solar system beyond the Earth,
and that really just it
expanded our whole idea of the habitable zone.
We used to think that, you know, to be habitable, to be a place
where life could live.
You had to have liquid water stable at the surface.
And so you get into this kind of Goldilocks
story, where in our solar system, Venus is too hot and
cold and Earth is kind of just right.
And so discovering that worlds like Europa
could have oceans, Europa is kind of like the type example.
It's kind of like
the OG ocean world, out in the outer solar system.
Here's this ice layer at the top.
But then there's this huge liquid water ocean.
And so, so really, we've been working on
planning this mission, for, you know, 25 years now.
We've been talking about it.
And then finally, about nine years ago, we got
we got the new start, which is when you sort of
get the, the rubber stamp from NASA
headquarters and say, okay, this mission is real.
Let's go ahead and figure out how to do it.
So yeah, but the but the other locations too.
You know, NASA's also working on the dragonfly mission,
which is going to go and explore Titan.
That's an octopus copter that's actually
going to fly around in Titan's thick atmosphere.
So that's going to be amazing.
And in the latest, NASA,
sorry, the National Academies of Science
put out a decadal survey every ten years.
And so they ranked and Enceladus mission called the as solid
this orb lander
as kind of
the next big sort of ocean world flagship mission as well.
So yeah, we're really excited
to see exploration of all of those places.
And and, you know, we'd be remiss, too, to not mention
the just spacecraft juice launched last year.
This is the Jupiter Icy Moons explorer, mission.
And it's going to get there
kind of around the same time that Europa Clipper will.
And this is a mission put on by the European Space Agency.
And it's going to be studying
the icy moons of
Jupiter in general, but
we'll be focusing on Ganymede, which I know our,
our viewer asked about.
So, we, you know, NASA's not the only one
sending spacecraft to these incredible worlds, too.
So, yeah,
thanks for mentioning that, Ginny.
And, you know, as we are
full steam ahead on Europa right now, we've got the ash
monster on YouTube.
Who wants to know for both of you,
what do you hope to discover or uncover
during your research on Europa?
Journey. We'll start with.
So. Yeah.
Okay, good.
Oh, yeah.
Man, I mean,
it's it's it's such a hard question, right?
I mean, it's a basic question, but it's a hard one
because there's so much that we, we want to know about.
For me personally, I mean, I'm definitely I'm really excited
about the water, understanding how much water there is.
Kind of knowing, you know,
as much as we can about it, you know, how salty is it?
Is it uniform underneath the ice?
And just kind of getting a sense of of what that water is like.
You know, as Cynthia was mentioning,
this kind of class of bodies, these icy ocean worlds were,
you know, seeing that they could be, you know,
quite likely to be abundant in different parts
of not only our solar system, but in the universe.
And so being able to
to study one up close with this incredible spacecraft,
and, and just, you know, really understanding
more about the water that's there,
the fact that there's, there could be twice
as much water there than there is on the Earth.
And I think of the Earth as a place
that has quite a lot of water, actually.
And so the fact that there's a place in our solar system
that's, that's smaller than the Earth
with twice as much water, I mean, that blows my mind.
So, you know, for me, understanding more about,
the water is really what gets me excited.
Yeah.
And really, for me, it's the pictures.
I can't wait to get
those high resolution pictures of the surface. I.
I want to see those cars or those those car sites.
Chunks of ice on the surface.
Yeah. We don't think there's actually cars.
But,
you know, just getting to see the surface,
you know, it's going to be 12 times better
resolution than anything we've seen before from Galileo.
So I think we're just going to be completely surprised
and stunned that, you know, how different the surface looks.
And as a scientist, that's the best thing, right?
You want to be surprised.
You want to see something
that nobody predicted you'd see there.
Because that's where the sciences. Right.
That's where the excitement is. So I just can't wait.
And Jenny
Shane screams on Twitch asks, what do you expect
to find in respect to the magnetic field?
You know, you were talking about that huge magnetic field,
around Jupiter.
So what would be ideal in results for you?
Yeah.
So one of the, you know, questions we get a lot,
is basically like, how do we know the oceans?
There, right? I mean, we can't see it.
It's underneath the surface.
So how do we know an ocean is there?
And what's really incredible is that the Galileo spacecraft
that kind of discovered the ocean, the way it discovered
it was through studying the magnetic fields.
So the magnetometer, instrument on Galileo
was able to characterize
the magnetic fields around Jupiter and around
and how they interact with Europa
and basically found that,
you know, the, the,
the way
the magnetic fields would look the way they do
is if there was some sort of
conductive layer underneath the surface.
And what made the most sense for kind of all of our research
and modeling is that this is a layer
that is salty and able to conduct, some of that,
that magnetism.
And so,
you know, studying the magnetic fields
might just seem like, oh, we,
you know, we just want to understand
more about them or, you know, kind of
have a sense of, of, how they change over time.
But really, what it's helping us do is understand
the interior structure of Europa,
which kind of blows my mind, you know,
that we can make that inference.
We can make that jump from studying magnetism
in the Jupiter environment and in the Europa environment,
and, you know, from that able to infer that, you know,
we have this conductive liquid layer underneath the surface.
It's just kind of mind blowing,
ya know?
This all blows my mind.
I mean, really to think about
everything that we can learn and study from so far away,
it is just really incredible what teams can come together
and do.
And so I'm going to pause for two seconds right here.
We still have a ton of questions pouring in online.
But before we get to the next one,
I actually have a question for our viewers.
If you can ask the Europa Clipper spacecraft one question
when it arrives to Europa, what would it be?
Drop your question into the chat box wherever you're watching.
Alrighty, let's get to the next ask NASA question.
So we have our, this is a great question.
You know, we've talked about what Europa is going to do,
Europa Clipper is going to do when it gets to Europa.
But we haven't talked a lot about that big journey.
It has to get there.
And so we have project eight on YouTube.
Who wants to know how much fuel does it take to get to Europa?
Yeah, absolutely.
I can definitely take that one.
So our spacecraft has about 6,000 pounds of propellant,
on board.
That's about half of the total mass of the spacecraft.
So it's, a huge amount of fuel.
If you're looking at, a picture of our spacecraft,
the kind of center, you know, piece where
where everything is mounted,
most of the interior of that is two giant propulsion tanks
that are filled with propellant.
So that 6,000 pounds of fuel, though,
is mostly used to, make attitude adjustment.
So to change
which way the spacecraft is pointed,
but also to change our trajectory,
and, you know, as we kind of are flying, around
Jupiter, flying past Europa, we will use that propellant to
help change things and help make sure that Europa is staying
right in line where it needs to be.
Right? You know, on its path,
the actual journey from Earth out to Jupiter.
So much of that,
speed is actually gotten from the launch itself.
So when we launch off the surface of the Earth,
we get a huge boost from our Falcon Heavy rocket
that gets us going really, really fast.
The Falcon
Heavy is a massive rocket, so it gets us a lot of speed.
And then we actually are going to pick up,
a little bit of a kick from doing a mars gravity assist
and an Earth gravity assist.
So we'll pick up a little extra
speed from doing flybys of those two planets.
And then we get going just really, really fast
all the way out to Jupiter.
And this should, hammer home with just how far away Jupiter
is, that even with all of that speed
from the launch and the two gravity assists,
it's still going to take us
about five and a half years to get out to the system.
So we have to be patient.
Of course, it'll be worth the wait,
but it is quite a long trip out there.
And I have a great
follow up for you, Ginny from Mikey Wasabi on YouTube.
You know, considering
how far away it is, how long will it take
for the images to transmit back to Earth?
Yeah, that's a great question. So.
Oh, gosh, I'm going to get this wrong.
But maybe Cynthia remembers, our one way light time,
I believe it's about 45 minutes.
So an hour and a half round trip, is that right, Cynthia?
Okay, so it takes about about 45 minutes from
for light to go from Jupiter to the Earth, and vice versa.
So if we send an image from Jupiter,
it'll take 45 minutes for it to get here.
And then those images have to get processed on the ground.
And, you know, certain things have to happen.
But we do release kind of all of that
data pretty quickly out
to the public, kind of as soon as we can.
And so, yeah.
So it takes, takes a long time for light to travel.
Just between, again,
the two planets, which should give you a sense of
just how far away Jupiter is.
Yeah, well, thank you.
Jenny, our next question is from Titan.
Onex?
Who asks, how will Europa Clipper detect potential
chemical or biological activity in Europa's subsurface ocean?
Do we want to take this on? Science?
I can take that. Okay.
Yeah.
So so that's a that's a great question.
So a couple different ways.
One of the things you can use
is that magnetometer that Jenny was talking about.
When you measure the magnetic signature of Europa,
one of the parameters you can get, you get
like the strength of the field, you get the direction.
But you can also get you can use the that field
strength to tell you something about the salinity of the ocean.
And so salinity means how salty it is.
And so we think from our models
that Europa's ocean is a salty ocean.
And we think it's a little bit less salty than Earth's oceans.
And so we'll be able to get more information
from this magnetic field measurements.
But then another really cool measure we'll be able to do is
we can use our near-infrared mapping spectrometer.
So this is, this is an instrument called mys.
And basically it takes pictures of the surface.
But in rather than just like,
you know, in red, green and blue,
it uses multiple wavelengths in the near infrared.
And those wavelengths are really diagnostic to
there's absorption
that are based on different chemicals on the surface.
And so
we know
from some of our preliminary data
that we got
from the Galileo spacecraft
that a lot of the dark
stuff like that you're seeing in these pictures
here, there's kind of this dark iceberg like terrain.
And then there's the dark kind of streaks along
the surface that we know now are cracks and ridges.
And those geologic features are there.
They're associated with places where we see more of this
kind of non ice material,
most of the surface, like the stuff
that looks blue in this picture,
that's mostly pretty pure water ice,
but all of kind of the reddish brownish stuff.
Those are places where there's
higher concentrations of these
non ice materials on the surface.
And so we think from our our our initial observations
from Galileo, you know, 25 years ago
now that we're talking about highly hydrated
things like magnesium sulfate or sulfuric acid.
But we just don't know for sure.
And so the measurements that we'll get
from this compositional imager
will be able to give us just much more detailed information
about the chemical compounds on the surface.
And we think because they're associated
with certain kinds of geologic features
like these cracks and like these disrupted areas,
that those are places where material from the ocean
has actually come up through the ice layer onto the surface.
And so that's another way that we can kind of use our clue
of our surface observations to tell us something
about the composition of that deep subsurface ocean.
And as you were giving this explanation, Cynthia,
we had some really beautiful images of Europa
popping up on the screen.
Can you remind us?
So you said we're getting what,
about a half a meter resolution?
Like what is the difference
between those images we are seeing,
which already look pretty incredible
to what we can expect for Clipper?
Yeah.
So we have one high resolution picture of Europa
that was taken from the Galileo spacecraft.
The highest resolution picture was at six meters per pixel.
But we have
we only have one picture at that resolution,
like just one little tiny postage stamp on the surface.
And so. Yeah.
And so here
you're seeing some kind of
global scale images, from various spacecraft.
But really, the best
we could do with Galileo was that single
six meter per pixel image.
And with Europa Clipper, we'll get images over almost 90%
of the surface at a resolution of about 100m per pixel.
So that's that's going to be amazing.
We're going to be able to see,
you know, house sized objects,
no problem on the surface with this.
And then,
we'll get images, over some portions of the surface.
So less than 90%, at this half a meter per pixel.
So that's 12 times better than the best high
resolution picture we saw from Galileo.
So it's just going to be amazing.
I cannot it's amazing to think that like,
you know, we we like these are real photos
that were taken by real spacecraft. Right.
And when I look at that picture
from Voyager and then compare it to Galileo,
you know, the Voyager picture, it's like, oh, wow, cool.
There's like all this, like dark region.
And then you look at the Galileo ones
and it's like, oh, that was actually like 4
or 5 different types of terrain in that dark region.
And it just, you know, kind of looks.
Yeah, all the same.
And then we get these higher
resolution images and then suddenly
it just completely changes
our understanding of what we're looking at.
And so
to think that Europa Clipper is then going to do that again
like an order of magnitude, you know, better images.
It's really, really cool.
I got to have another great follow up question.
We're on the photo stream today,
so we have Squid on, Squid on Twitch.
Who asks who decides what pictures
get released to the public, and what is the criteria on that?
That's a that's a tricky it's a tricky question.
It has an easy answer, which is everything
gets released to the public.
You know, this is a NASA funded spacecraft.
You know, this is paid for by by your tax dollars.
So thank you, everyone, for funding Europa Clipper.
And in return, we're going to give you pictures.
So basically all of the pictures that are taken,
after some very sort of initial processing,
we're going to post them all up on a photo archive.
We've done this for other missions,
like with Cassini and like with the Mars missions.
And so, yeah,
you know, pretty soon after they're taken,
there's just going to be a stream of pictures.
You can go there every day and,
you know, look at what the new images are.
And then we'll do some, so those are called raw images.
So basically that's just,
you know, it comes off the spacecraft.
We do a little bit of initial processing
to turn it from like digital bytes
into an actual picture you can see,
and then bloop, it'll go right up on the website.
But then we're also going to do some more complicated images
when we see something cool.
And so that'll be
you know, our pictures are
some of them are going to be like a bunch of little squares,
but it's much more it's much more easy to understand
what's going on
if you stick those all together into an image mosaic.
Or if you put together
the different individual color bands to make a color picture,
or if you combine information from,
you know, the camera with information
from one of those compositional imagers.
And so those kind of like combined science
products, there's
those are going to be done, you know,
with the different instrument teams working together.
And those will be released, you know,
when we have something cool to show.
But yeah, so all the raw data will be,
will just be out there for people to say.
And so, you know, in terms of this data collection,
we've got another viewer on Twitch who wants to know
when can the public see your results?
You know,
as we're doing these flybys, is it going to be instantaneous?
Jennie, do you, how about you take this one?
Yeah, sure.
So, yeah, I mean, we talked a little bit
about how the one way light time is 45 minutes.
So, you know, even the minute the camera snaps a photo,
you know, we don't get to see it even for a little while.
Until that, that data, you know, comes down.
And even then, you know, we we have to store it on board.
And then the data gets downlinked a little bit later.
So there is kind of some processing time
we don't quite get like, you know,
a live video feed from Europa, you know,
and then there is, there's processing on the ground.
And so, you know, but we do try to release stuff
basically as quick
as we can, you know, as soon as we get the data
and can send it out to the public,
and then, you know, of course, there's kind of the bigger
question of like, when will we have results, right?
We may have the raw data, but when do
we actually have kind of can we draw
some scientific conclusions?
Obviously that's a little bit harder to determine.
It depends on what the question is that we're asking,
you know who's doing the research.
And do we have all of the data needed to,
you know, answer those questions so that might take,
you know, years and years,
as those kind of scientific papers come out over time.
So we know that the images are available to the public.
But is the data available as well?
Yeah.
So one of the requirements for,
for any NASA mission is that all of the data gets
put into, into something called the Planetary Data System.
And that's a free archive of, of scientific data
from all of the NASA missions.
And so, you know, a mission like Europa Clipper,
there's basically a period of time
where you downlink the data and then each of the
investigation teams get some time to,
you know, make sure that that the data
that they understand all of the processing,
that they understand what the data showing that
there aren't any, you know, mistakes or weirdness in it.
And then once the data has been validated by the teams,
then it's archived into this planetary data system.
So the pictures are special in that
those just the raw images from those will be put online.
But all of the data from the other instruments,
it will be put into the planetary data system.
There's often a delay of about, you know, six months to a year.
I don't know if you remember the data archiving, plan.
You know, exactly when, say, the first batch of data goes in.
Yeah, that's about right.
It does
it does take a little bit of time
for, again, for all that kind
of processing and validation to be done.
But the, the planetary data system, something you can
you can go Google and it will pop up,
this is a thing that is publicly accessible.
And all of our data will end up there.
Very cool.
So, Cynthia,
I know you mentioned
that you are a geologist,
but I know that you are also an astrobiologist.
And so I have a very good planetary
protection question for you.
It is from Matt Perma on Twitch, who asks,
do you think there is a
possibility that we bring along some microorganisms from Earth
that could find a new home on Europa?
Yeah, that's a really important thing that NASA has
that has to be very careful of.
So, you know,
because we think Europa could be a place with life,
the last thing we want to do is, you know,
kind of like destroy or infect
that life in the process of trying to detect it.
And so NASA has a planetary protection office
and their job is basically to protect,
you know, different places in the solar system, some moons
and planets from contamination from the Earth,
and also the, the reverse contamination, where
if we bring pieces of, say,
Mars on the moon or another place back
back from there to the Earth, we also want to make sure that
we don't contaminate Earth with any of those materials.
In the case of Europa,
we're not going to bring anything back,
so we don't have to worry about that.
But we do have to make sure that we sterilize the spacecraft.
And so, that's something we've had to be very,
very careful about,
is we built the spacecraft in a clean room at JPL.
And if you remember in the video.
Yeah.
So here you can see here's
the spacecraft in one of our clean rooms.
And you can see how everyone in there
is wearing what we call a bunny suit.
And these are,
these are suits that basically cover your whole body.
And you're wearing gloves and a mask.
And you're the, you're basically making
sure that, you know, you don't sneeze on the spacecraft, right?
You don't get little
bits of skin or hair or anything stuck on it.
And then all of the instruments,
you can see how they're wrapped up
in this kind of protective shielding.
And then people are just very, very careful.
And then then the folks here, one of the things they do
is they actually, they, they swab the spacecraft as well.
So once the spacecraft was built, we had contamination
control engineers that went in, and they basically took samples
of every part of the spacecraft that they could
they could get, you know, their little swabs on.
And then they cultured those in a laboratory.
And that was basically because, you know,
you can never have a spacecraft that's 100% sterile.
And so they wanted to know for sure, you know,
what are the microorganisms that we're bringing along with us?
So that
if somehow we detect something when we get there, we know.
Oh, yeah.
That was just we probably just brought that with us.
If we find, you know, E coli or some kind of bacteria there.
And one good thing about the spacecraft, too,
is that one good thing about that radiation
is that a lot of that radiation, that's helping.
It's kind of threatens our, our,
the survivability of our spacecraft.
But one good thing about it
is that it also sterilizes the spacecraft.
So most of the outer parts of the spacecraft,
they're going to get you know, a nice high dose of radiation.
And so
if there's any little microbes
that were hitching a ride on the outside,
probably they'll have been baked off,
you know, before we get to Europa. So.
Oh, so cool.
Thank you for explaining that.
I mean, to see
the inside of the clean room and just behind the scenes
of everything that goes into doing a mission like this, it's
it's almost like a movie,
you know, it's very cool to think about.
And so I have another question, you know, like hits on this
topic of doing what has never been done is even vital on X.
I want you to know,
are there any technologies that are being used
in the instruments of Europa Clipper
to optimize the detection of these key molecules?
Yeah, absolutely.
So we have, two instruments on the spacecraft that are kind
of specifically designed to look for particles, gas dust.
And that's our, our mass specs instrument
and our Suda instrument.
So that's our mass spectrometer and our dust detector.
And these are some of the most advanced
versions of these kinds of instruments
that have ever been flown in space.
They've, you know, maybe had kind of predecessor
instruments, older versions of the instruments
that have flown on previous spacecraft.
And so these are some of the most advanced forms of,
you know, a speck,
spectrometer and a dust detector
that have ever been flown in space.
And we're bringing them with us to Europa.
So, you know, the the technology that flies in space
is a little bit different
than technology that we might have kind of in a laboratory.
And that's because our, spacecraft
hardware needs to be radiation hardened.
It needs to be able to survive
kind of crazy
thermal environments as we,
you know, fly out to Jupiter and kind of the the,
the difference in temperatures that you get from
when you're in the sun versus when you're in the shade.
And so, the spacecraft,
the hardware that we fly on spacecraft has to be
very specially designed for that kind of environment.
But fortunately, we're bringing both mass specs and Cuda
along to detect these kinds of, particles that are going to be
in the environment around the spacecraft.
So cool.
And, you know, Ginny, I've got a great follow up for you.
It is Benjamin on YouTube.
Who wants to know?
Will it be possible to orbit
in the projected path of water geysers
as an opportunity
to get as close to a chance to study what's under the ice
from above it?
So, you know, flying through these potential geysers.
And exactly.
So there is, some evidence that there may be plumes.
We call them plumes.
But, you know, geysers is also a good word.
These kind of there is some evidence
that we may have plumes, on Europa.
And so, of course, there's a lot of interest in like,
could we fly right through on and,
you know, directly sample some of that water?
It will be kind of hard to predict,
you know, where those plumes are going to be.
And, you know, maneuvering the spacecraft
to fly right through one is a very challenging thing.
And,
of course, our trajectory
has been planned out kind of well in advance.
But that is exactly, you know, what the viewer asked
that if we were able to sample some of that water from a plume,
that would be water that's coming from underneath the ice.
Right. So it's kind of a direct,
measurement of some of the water.
I don't know, Cynthia, if you want to add anything to that.
Yeah.
And so one of the cool things is that our,
our mass spectrometer
and our dust detector, like Jenny was mentioning,
they're really, really sensitive.
So even if there are no plumes erupting,
we'll still be able to measure just those very few particles.
They get thrown off the surface
through this micrometeorite and other impacts.
But if there's a plume,
we'll get, you know, 100 times or more, sample we'll get,
you know, a huge amount of material.
And so we'll be able to make, you know,
even better measurements with those instruments.
So, yeah,
being able to fly
through a plume is kind of like a stretch goal, right?
It would be. We don't have to do it.
But if we could, it'd be really cool.
Amazing. Yes.
And so, Cynthia, we have James White on YouTube who asks,
as we are saying, water throughout the show.
Are we meaning that it's H2O or is it just a liquid?
Yeah.
So we're actually talking about liquid water,
the same H2O that we have here in Earth's oceans,
is the same water that's out in the outer solar system.
So yeah, an ocean of liquid water, liquid H2O,
with some salt in it.
And the salt could be things like, like this,
you know, magnesium sulfate, which is like Epsom salts.
So, you know, we have that here on Earth.
Or it could even be sodium chloride, which is the same,
you know, table salt that we have here on Earth as well.
So, yeah,
these are familiar materials in a really unfamiliar location,
which is just so it's still mind blowing to think that one
that's exists and do that we are on our way to study it.
And I have, a follow up question.
I'm not sure if it's a science question
or engineering question, but, we'll start with science.
And Cynthia, toss it to Jenny if you think that'll be better.
But we have Sammy Connor on YouTube.
Who wants to know how thick does the ice need to be to protect
potential life against radiation from Jupiter's magnetic field?
So it turns out that
ice is actually a pretty good, protector.
It's a pretty good insulator from radiation.
So you only need about ten centimeters of ice.
So, you know, that's only a couple inches,
to get down below a lot of the radiation.
And if you could go down as much as,
you know, a foot or two.
Then you'd really be pretty safe.
So. So, yeah.
So, you know,
a future
follow up mission that might land on the surface of Europa,
if it's going to be trying to do a direct search for life,
what you'd really want to do is not just you'd want to land,
but then you'd want to dig down
below that what we call that the radiation processing depth.
So you'd want to dig down
into kind of a fresher or more protected, depth.
You know, but again, you don't have to dig that deep.
And then you could get some of this fresh material
that hasn't been as fried by radiation.
Yeah.
And what's cool is that we,
you know, we only have, you're saying that, you know,
ice is a really good protector, right? Against radiation.
And ten centimeters or a foot down.
Well, the ice on Europa is miles thick, right?
We are kind of our best estimates
is that we might have an average
of maybe 10 to 15 miles of ice, on the surface.
So, yeah,
which is, you know, really thick kind of protective layer.
And so,
you know, we were talking earlier
about how the,
radiation environment
is kind of good to sterilize the spacecraft. Right.
If we brought any little microorganisms
along with us, it's a good thing to kind of,
you know, keep our spacecraft, clean.
But that doesn't mean
that life can't exist in that environment.
That's what's amazing about Europa,
is that underneath that ice, because it's
such a good protective layer, there's a really good,
you know, potential for a habitable environment.
So we have just a minute left.
But could you both briefly answer this question from Ian
Carter on X?
Who wants to know what one finding
would make this mission totally worthwhile for you?
We'll start with you, Cynthia.
That's I mean, you know, finding a fish,
finding some kind of like, you know, macroscopic life form.
I mean, that would totally make it worth it.
But honestly,
you know, just getting that first super high resolution
picture of Europa
at, you know,
12 times better than anything we've ever seen before.
That's that's going to be kind of my,
you know, okay, we've made it.
There's my picture. Anything else.
But you know, and we're going to get hundreds
of those pictures too.
But it's going to be that first one
where I'm just going to be so excited.
Yeah.
And for me, I think it's you know,
I keep talking about the water and how much that excites me.
I think,
you know, we have a really good understanding
that there should be water there, there, you know,
like kind of all of our research and models point to that.
But getting confirmation that, yes, there is an ocean
and kind of here's how much of it,
you know, the, the when when I think about other bodies
in the solar system, you know, the moon and Mars have kind of,
you know, ice at the, in the polar regions,
you know, kind of frozen and, water in certain places.
Of course, Earth, you know, has an abundance of water.
But the fact that there's another place in our
solar system that, you know, in such a harsh environment,
but that could have this liquid water ocean underneath
the surface is just, again, every time I think about it,
I get chills, and it's kind of mind blowing.
And so
getting the data back that says, yes, there's water and here's
how much that's going to be the thing
that will make it all worthwhile for me.
Well, unfortunately, that is all the time we have for today.
But this has been such a great show.
Cynthia and Ginny, thank you for taking so many questions
from our viewers, and good luck on that launch.
Thank you so much.
It's going to be amazing. Thank you Sarah.
Make sure you watch. Yeah it's going to be awesome.
Thanks so much for having us today.
And thank you to everyone who joined us online.
We have some really fantastic questions today and we just love
getting to engage with you.
Live like this now.
Hey, before you go,
we actually have a special opportunity
for you to have some fun with this mission.
Before launch, you can join NASA's
Runway to Jupiter Challenge, where you can create and share
your own cosmic looks inspired by Jupiter and Europa.
You can learn more at go .NASA.gov.
Slash runway to Jupiter now.
We hope you enjoyed learning
more about the Europa Clipper mission,
and remember to join us for the launch of the spacecraft.
That launch window opens on October
10th from NASA's Kennedy Space Center.
You can watch it from home in both English and Spanish
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Thank you all and see you next time.