Welcome to a
special edition of NASA Science Live about climate change.
I'm your host, Joy Ng.
And today we will be talking to NASA's
chief scientist and senior climate advisor
about rising heat all over the globe.
We'll also hear from climate scientists
across the country about extreme heat impacts
and how they affect different aspects of our environment,
from air quality to oceans, and how NASA
satellites and data help us learn more all about it.
So this is your chance to interact with NASA
experts and have your questions answered in real time.
So be sure to send them in using the hashtag.
Ask NASA in the comments wherever you're watching.
So today's focus is heat.
Our temperatures on Earth
have been rising since the Industrial Revolution.
Human activities, particularly emissions of heat
trapping greenhouse gases, are making our planet warmer.
Heat waves are the clearest examples
of impacts of humans on our climate, and it's a fact
human activities are making heat waves hotter
and even causing them to last longer.
Starting early in the spring and extending into the fall.
So, as a reminder, we are keeping an eye on the questions
pouring in online and we'll bring them straight
to our experts live on air later in the show.
We also have experts
in the comments standing by to answer you in real time.
So let's jump in now.
We are with me today is NASA's chief Scientist and senior
climate advisor,
Dr Kate Calvin and John Haynes with NASA's
Earth Action Program.
Thank you both so much for being with me.
Thank you. Joy. Thank you.
So let's talk a bit about your roles.
Kate, can you tell me what you do? NASA?
So I am NASA's chief scientist and senior climate advisor.
So that means I advise
the NASA administrator and NASA leadership
about all things science and climate.
I also work on connecting within the agency
and communicating what we do externally.
And I serve as program manager for Health and Air Quality
Applications, part of the NASA Earth Action Program.
And my job is to work with end users, stakeholders,
decision makers
across the country and across the world
to help them access the treasure
trove of NASA satellite data that we have on the Earth system
and how it is changing, and help them to apply that data
to issues and problems related to health and air quality.
Thank you. That's super helpful.
So I think the term heat
wave can have a few different meanings.
So can you explain to us what context we're discussing
heat waves today.
Yeah, sure. That's a great question.
I think sometimes when we talk about rising heat or more heat
trapped in the planet, we're really talking
about climate change in general.
And so what we know is that climate change
is making our planet warmer as overall.
And with that increase in average temperatures,
we're getting a lot of impacts on people and ecosystems.
But there's also specific type of events called heat waves
and heat waves, or periods of abnormally hot weather.
So they might be a couple of days to months.
But usually you think about them as like number of days
above 90°F or some other temperature.
And that's one particular
type of weather event that is increasing with warming.
Yes. And rising heat and heat waves are certainly a big health
issue, leading to issues of heat exhaustion and heat stress.
Heat stroke particularly hard
on the very young and the very elderly and
most people don't realize that out of all the weather phenomena
tornadoes, hurricanes, heat actually kills more Americans
each year than any of those other events.
And according to the CDC, those heat deaths are on the rise.
That's helpful context.
Thank you.
So rising heat doesn't just affect one part of I'm
right here on Earth.
It impacts all areas of the globe.
So at NASA, we have scientists who study the whole picture
from ice sheets
to air quality, from oceans to droughts and wildfires.
And as I mentioned earlier
throughout the show, we're going to be checking in
with scientists across the country
to learn about how rising heat
is impacting our planet in different ways.
So let's start with Doctor Ben Cook in New York
to get an update about rising heat,
how a rising heat affects global temperatures, and
what that means for droughts, wildfires and agriculture.
I've been studying how climate change and global warming affect
drought and wildfire for most of my career.
Over the last several years,
we have broken numerous
temperature records at the global scale
and with them established new records in drought
and wildfire in many regions of the world,
warmer temperatures dry out the land surface,
and as a result, global warming has increased
the severity of droughts and wildfires and regions
as far apart as western North America.
The Mediterranean and Australia.
At the same time, climate change is also contributed
to the increased frequency of co-occurring heatwaves
and droughts, a double threat that amplifies
the impacts of these extremes on people and ecosystems.
As global warming continues, we can expect
drought and wildfire to continue getting worse.
Thank you for that update, Ben.
So NASA and NOAA released global temperature updates
regularly each year.
And as Ben mentioned, the most recent report
was just released on June 11th and indicated
that May 2024 was the warmest May in the books,
marking a full year of record high monthly temperatures.
So, Kate and John, can you explain how NASA
and NOAA determine these sorts of trends?
Well, from the NASA standpoint,
we have a constellation of over 20 satellites and sensors
in Earth's orbit,
including several on board the International Space Station
that are continuously monitoring Earth's weather, climate
and environment for research and applications purposes.
This constellation is actually the largest civilian Earth
observing constellation that the world has ever known.
And we get a ton of data on the Earth system
and how it is changing.
Download it every day from that constellation.
And that data gives us information
on things like land surface
temperature, ocean surface temperature, vegetation density,
air pollution, wildfires, you name it.
And we compliment that data that we can get from space
and observing our Earth from space
with data that we collect on the surface.
And so often when NASA and NOAA talk about monthly temperature
records or annual temperature records,
they're looking at the surface data.
And we have surface stations all over the planet
that monitor temperature
and then we can calculate
that average temperature for the planet.
And we use those surface records because they go back farther
in time than the satellite records.
But when you compare both satellite
records and surface
records, you see the similar trends in warming.
So Earth also goes through
natural cycles of warming and heating.
How do scientists know that this global
warming trend that we're seeing isn't the same thing as that?
Yeah, it's a good point.
So, you know, we do go through
natural cycles over very, very long timescales,
think tens of thousands of years.
And that has to do
with the tilt of the earth, its proximity to the sun.
And those things affect the amount of sunlight
coming in. So how close you are to Earth?
What we're seeing now is more heat being trapped.
And what we know is we can look at different
types of of evidence.
So we can look at observations, we can look at models.
We can even do laboratory experiments.
And they all show that increases in carbon dioxide trap heat.
And we see
when we look through those observations,
you know,
if you had more sunlight coming in
you would expect warming throughout the atmosphere.
What we're seeing instead is warming at the surface
and actually cooling in the upper atmosphere,
which is a characteristic of trapping heat
associated with greenhouse gases.
And when you're talking about heat waves and rising heat from,
of course, greenhouse gases that are trapping
more heat near the surface, it's only amplified in urban areas
where fast majority of our population lives,
because urban areas, of course,
are full of asphalt and concrete,
and that absorbs
all that solar radiation during the daytime and slowly
releases it out at night. So we're in the urban areas
actually amplifying heat effects.
And also our cities
aren't cooling down as much as they used to at night.
So it doesn't give anybody a break from the heat anymore.
So we do have some questions coming in online.
So let's dig in.
so we do have a question from YouTube from Lynn.
And they ask
how is this going to affect southern states in the US
like Mississippi and Louisiana.
Well there's a
myriad of effects, unfortunately,
that we're going to see in the southern states.
And I'm actually a Mississippi boy myself.
of course, the South is hot, but it is getting hotter.
In conjunction
with that, we're also
seeing more extreme variations in weather events,
from devastating floods to long term droughts.
Another issue, of course, is hurricanes.
Unfortunately, Mississippi and Louisiana
have been devastated by many terrible hurricanes
over the years, including, for example, Hurricane Katrina.
That when you're talking about the issue
of the climate crisis and hurricanes,
one of the
things you have to think about is sea level rise,
which I know we'll get to a bit later.
But as our sea level continues to rise, you're
adding that on top of the storm surges
that are already coming, inland from these storms,
pushing further inland than we've ever seen before.
So our next question,
is on X from Sea Escape, and they ask,
what is the immediate solution
to cool down the Earth's rising temperature?
Well, one of the things as scientists,
we know what's driving the temperature increase.
We also know how to limit that temperature increase
in the future.
So the warming of our planet that we're seeing
is driven by greenhouse gases.
So in order to reduce the rate of warming,
we need to reduce greenhouse gases.
And if we actually get to the point
where carbon dioxide
is effectively zero, we would stop warming.
And another question on X from SpaceX fabrics.
They ask,
how do these record breaking heat
waves impact our everyday lives?
And what actions and NASA taking to help us understand
and address these extreme weather conditions?
Well, number one, like I mentioned earlier,
it's on your health
not only from heat stress, heat exhaustion,
heat stroke, which kills more Americans
than any other weather phenomena each year.
But it also impacts the very air we breathe and having, more
increased levels of ozone, for example, in our urban areas.
So those are two ways it directly impacts human
health, from from these events.
One of the ways that NASA is really working to help, with
climate changes is in explaining it and providing information.
So John mentioned that we have more than two dozen
satellites and instruments in orbit.
All of the data we get from that is publicly available,
and we're working to make it
easier to use
so people can understand
what's happening, where they live,
and then take steps to address it.
And not only do we make it publicly available.
We work directly
with stakeholders and decision makers,
from state departments of health
and environmental quality all the way up to the CDC, EPA,
even international groups
to get this information out and into their hands
so that they can make better
forecast decisions, management decisions, policy decisions.
Well that's wonderful.
So we have another question.
on YouTube, they ask in India,
sometimes the temperature rises to 45 degrees.
Or is this normal for the temperature to rise so much
and like 45°C.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I would say yeah.
I think one of the things, you know, as
I mentioned, is that what we're seeing with
climate change is an increase in average temperature,
but also more extreme heat events.
and with each individual event, scientists actually
look pretty carefully at like, has this happened before?
What was the like the likelihood it would happen before?
And what is the likelihood that it happens
now that we have a warmer planet and try to understand
what's driving individual events.
But overall, we know that there's a trend
towards increase,
temperatures on our planet, including increased
extreme events and extreme heat events.
you know, going hand-in-hand with the heat wave.
We have, just recently kind of ended here in the northeastern,
Mid-Atlantic, Washington, DC, hit 100°F, 38°C
for the first time in eight years,
with a very long stretch of 90 degree Fahrenheit plus days.
And again, it's these heat waves are becoming longer,
more intense, starting earlier, lasting later in the year.
at the same time, this was going on, there was another severe
heat wave in southeastern Europe as well,
where temperatures were well above 38°C in Greece,
for example, and led to a lot of deaths of hikers and tourists.
So we have another question on from YouTube.
from medics,
they ask, are the record high temperatures
and global warming confirmed to be from pollution
and not simply a high point of activity from the sun?
This is actually one of the things you really monitor,
and you might even hear lately that we're headed to solar Max.
That has to do with really solar flares
coming off, which could lead to,
impacts on electronics, or more, Aurora.
So northern lights or southern lights.
but we can measure the amount of sunlight coming in.
We can also measure the amount of heat going out
and what we can, because we can do that,
we can help understand what's driving warming.
And what we're seeing is more heat
being trapped over time because of this increase
in greenhouse gases in our atmosphere.
So another question.
from X.
All well, 2022 they ask,
can you explain how you deal with urban bias
or the bias created in, by the urban heat island effect
when making climate measurements
or factors like surface temperatures?
And how do you ensure that climate measurements
are credible and not extrapolated
extrapolating UHI to other rural areas?
Well, as I mentioned earlier, it takes not only is the Earth
a system, it takes a system of data
and that includes ground measurements, includes data
we get from our airborne
campaigns that that are, including over the oceans.
And then you have the piece
from our unique vantage point space, our satellites on orbit.
Because there's only so many ground stations
across the world,
we have a pretty good density of the United States.
But there's a lot of places in the world
where there just aren't any ground sensors.
So we have to use all of this information,
including our global vantage point from our satellites
of the Earth system and how it's changing.
And like I said, we get information
from those satellites on ocean temperature on land temperature.
And so we're able to see the entire global picture.
So we're not biased by just ground measurements alone
and not just point data, because we're getting
a truly global picture from our NASA satellites.
Yeah.
And just one of the nice things
about satellites is it does see everything.
So not just the places
where we have surface stations but the whole planet.
And then as John mentioned, we use these different methods.
We also have different people
around the world that do the same types
of calculations independently.
And we're all seeing the same trends.
And that's the way one of the one of the ways
that scientists verify what we know,
we measure it in different ways.
We look at it in different ways.
We have different
people approach the same problem from different perspectives.
And when we see the exact same
trend in all those ways, we know.
So we've been talking about global temperatures
but have a more of a general question.
Derrick from Maryland asks
what are the three greatest changes society
can make to reduce the impact of climate change?
That's a great question.
And it's one that we get a lot.
But it's actually, you know, to answer it,
we can answer it in a very scientific manner.
And we know that the largest driver
of warming to date is carbon dioxide.
The second largest driver is methane.
So, you know, reducing warming in the future
you can reduce carbon dioxide or methane, but with
respect to specific actions, each of us are different.
We each live in a different place.
We work in a different environment.
We have access to different options.
And so it's hard to know exactly what works for an individual
without knowing about their life.
But in general, actions that have lower
emissions will lead to less warming in the future.
And you know, we you often you have to act locally,
but think globally.
And in our urban areas particularly, while again,
you're not going to be able to completely mitigate
the effects of the urban heat island.
But there are things that people can do to help on the margins,
make it a little cooler in the cities.
Urban gardening is a big deal right now.
In fact, my husband has a big urban garden on our balcony.
and having these green spaces on balconies, rooftops,
having larger, you know, city parks
and more green spaces, areas where people can get shade,
does help at the margins.
Keep our cities a little cooler.
these are both really good points.
Thank you.
So let's check in on our planet's ice,
which is an important part of the global climate system,
to give us an update about the changing
landscape of Earth's ice.
We have polar scientist Doctor Ben Harrington from NASA's
Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California.
As the climate continues to warm, rising surface
and ocean temperatures
affect ice in many ways, including in our polar regions.
I have been studying sea level change,
both on a global scale and also on a regional scale.
Using satellites, we can see
the sea level is rising almost everywhere on Earth.
Not only that, the rate at which it is rising is increasing.
It's like we're putting our foot on the gas pedal.
These changes have a big impact on people's lives.
Many Low-Lying areas around the world
are already experiencing flooding,
and as sea level continues to rise,
we expect this flooding
to increase in frequency and worsen and severity.
A really big part of the sea level rise
that we are seeing comes from the Greenland
and Antarctica ice sheets,
which are home to most of the world's
ice that accumulates on land.
Combined, these two ice sheets contain
enough ice that appear to melt all at once.
Sea levels would actually increase by 215ft.
Well, that definitely won't happen anytime soon.
Even an additional foot of sea level
rise would be a huge problem
for the planet's coastal communities.
Thank you Ben, that is a lot of disappearing ice.
So Kate and John,
can you tell us more about how the melting ice of the poles,
how does that affect
the everyday person watching the show today?
Yeah.
And so one of the things that happens
when ice melts, if the ice is on land,
like in Greenland and
Antarctica, when it melts, that water runs into the ocean.
So then we have more water in the ocean.
And that's contributing to rising seas.
And the rising seas
are impacting people all along the coast
because we have higher water levels,
which also means that
when you have storm surge
or flooding events, you're starting
from a higher base of that water.
And so it is impacting the people
that are living on the coast all around the world.
And when you get these extreme events for example,
I'm sure many of viewers are aware that over the past
couple of years, there's been multiple 1 in 100
plus year flood events in southern Florida.
When you get these extreme precipitate events,
because a warmer
atmosphere holds more water vapor
and the precipitation comes down,
most of these cities are set up for that storm water
to be collected by canals and discharged into the ocean.
But now our ocean is at the same level of those canals,
so there's nowhere for the water to go.
So it just backs up into Fort Lauderdale and Miami.
So we have a few questions about that online.
So let's dive in.
Ian on zoom asks, can you explain geoengineering?
Is it making our weather hotter?
So one of the things when scientists,
when we talk about we use very precise language.
And so often, rather than using the term
geoengineering, you'll hear scientists use
either carbon dioxide removal or solar radiation modification.
So what carbon
dioxide removal is doing is it's taking carbon dioxide
out of the atmosphere.
And by doing that,
you can either slow the rate of warming
or if you take enough out,
you can actually reverse warming,
but you're removing the greenhouse gases
that are trapping heat when you do carbon dioxide removal.
So you're stopping the driver of warming.
The other type of geoengineering,
solar radiation modification,
sometimes called solar geoengineering,
that is blocking sunlight.
And there's different ways of doing it.
But by blocking the sunlight, you could you could reduce
temperatures, but you're not, reducing the underlying driver.
So things like ocean acidification still happen
because you still have carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
And solar radiation modification can also have a lot of impacts
on other aspects of our Earth system,
like precipitation or ecosystems.
so there are a lot of other consequences and effects
associated with solar radiation modification.
so we have a question on YouTube from Richard Locke
and they ask by how much do each of you think the planet's
average global temperature will warm by as it looks
1.5°C?
does it look like the 1.5°C target
is completely unrealistic?
So I think, you know, first of all, when often
when you hear sort of annual temperature updates,
those are very different than when we talk about,
the 1.5°C that you hear, talked about in, in, in media,
that 1.5°C is a 20 year average, usually.
And so that's a bit different.
And so one of the things that scientists do is
we actually look into future warming.
And so we
can look at under different potential scenarios for future,
the way that energy, water, land and emissions evolve.
We can look at the temperatures of those.
And we looked across all of that a few years ago.
What we saw was that,
1.5°C would be reached, in the near term.
So in the early 2030s.
But how much warmer it gets depends on future emissions.
So what warming we see in in 2040 or in 2050 depends
on what actions are taken between now and the future.
And you know we're seeing the impacts now.
It's kind of unfortunate.
You know
if you went back
20 years, people would say, well, in 2020,
2030 you're going to see these events.
Well the future is now.
In the future has already arrived.
And for our own children,
our next generation, that is the future that
they will live in in the 20, 50, 6070s.
But we are already seeing before our eyes
what the impacts are occurring right now with these extreme
flood events, for example, with these longer heatwaves,
intensification of urban heat island.
And so it's very important to keep in mind
when you hear about these longer term climate forecast.
Some people might be saying, well,
that's a long time in the future,
but it's coming for for us really quickly.
so Oya, from on us,
you mentioned the Mediterranean, Mediterranean area.
I'm from Turkey and especially this year
the temperature is
getting higher and higher even through July and August.
which are still ahead of us.
So do you think the temperature
will keep increasing in the coming years?
Well, undoubtedly it will.
you know, our our current trajectory for greenhouse
gas emissions globally, certainly supports undoubted
that the temperatures
will continue to rise and we will see again
rising heat on average longer heat waves
that start early in the year and last later in the year.
as I mentioned earlier, I, I'm so sorry for the folks in Turkey
and Greece.
They've been suffering under
an extremely intense heat wave that has caused a lot of deaths.
and it is areas that,
yes, it gets hot in the summer, but this type of heat
this early in the year is not it's not expected.
as a meteorologist, we usually say weather
is what you get, but climates what you would expect.
So the weather is what they're getting,
but it's not what you would expect.
Yeah.
And as John mentioned we're seeing a general trend
in increasing temperatures because of climate change.
And we would expect that trend
to continue as long as greenhouse gases
continue to rise.
But we do still have
natural cycles on top of that like El Nino and La Nina.
That can lead to warmer or cooler years.
So every year in the future might not be the hottest
year on record, but we're seeing an overall
trend towards hotter years overall.
so I have a question from Nathan on X and they ask
how much impact
do humans have on temperature versus the natural phenomena.
Also, what happened to the hole in the ozone
layer and fears about acid rain.
So effectively all of the warming
we're seeing to date is due to human activities.
so all of it, we can we can actually look at
individual contributors and see how much is from
sea carbon dioxide versus methane in effectively
all of the warming is human caused, for the ozone layer.
I don't know if you want to talk about that.
Well, talking about acid rain in ozone is a good news story.
And we need to talk more about good news stories
of what this globe can do when people get together
and tackle a solution that is based in scientific data.
I asked, in fact, at a conference a few weeks ago,
it was some people younger than myself, and I said,
have you ever heard of acid rain?
No one raised their hand
because I think that was one of
the biggest environmental issues
when I was growing up in the 70s and 80s.
What happened to it?
Did it just disappear by miracle? No.
Our regulations under the Clean Air Act, helped us regulate
sulfur dioxide
produced by our factories,
where now sulfur dioxide levels in the United
States are 80% and more below what they were in 1980,
which leads to not having acid rain,
because you're not pumping sulfur dioxide
into the atmosphere.
The ozone holes.
Another one, of course, a huge issue, still an issue,
but a huge issue that came to a crucial crisis point
in the 1980s when we realized that chlorofluorocarbons,
when they entered the stratosphere
with the extremely cold temperatures,
they are particularly over the Antarctic and Arctic,
at least the structure of the ozone layer,
that is our protection from the sun's UV radiation.
The globe was ever to come together
through treaties
like the Montreal Protocol to eliminate CFCs worldwide
and now, from our NASA satellite data
that first discovered that ozone hole,
we've been watching it heal over time
because we have eliminated CFCs globally.
That is a great example of how, you know, we can take action.
Yeah.
So the extreme heat we're talking about
not only melts ice and causes sea levels to rise,
but it also increases ocean temperature
which can have serious impacts to our ecosystems.
So let's check in with marine scientist Doctor Ivana.
Nick here at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center
to get an update on how heat has been impacting our oceans.
Hi, my name is just want to Titanic.
I am a NASA
oceanographer working at NASA Goddard and a space mission.
An increase in heat on land system is not specific
to the land system, only affects the oceans, affects the life
in the ocean, and is causing lots of changes that we can see
one side, you know, ocean traps this heat, but ocean does
many other things for us in this trapped heat and this trap.
Temperature, in a sense,
is modifying the many things that we love about the ocean.
So we have the dying corals on one side.
We have the changes
in a population of lobsters and shrimps and even manatees.
But one thing that I care about is the way that this increase
in temperature
is modifying the services that ocean provides to the climate.
Ocean, as I said, traps the carbon dioxide.
But as oceans become warmer, it can trap less carbon dioxide.
That's your physical and chemical part.
On that side you have phytoplankton,
the teeny tiny plants of the ocean
that breathe in this carbon dioxide.
Well,
what happens when the temperature
is changing that their community changes.
So everything what they have done before,
they're not doing it anymore.
So now you have the completely different phytoplankton there
existing there.
And modifying the way this carbon flows
from the atmosphere into the ocean.
So ultimately that's what I'm interested in.
I'm interested in
to understand how the future oceans, much warmer than today
are going to be modifying this carbon flow.
and where the carbon is going to go.
That is very interesting.
Thank you so much, Ivana.
So based on what we just heard, can you tell us how rising heat
is impacting the ocean environment?
Well, one of the main issues that we're facing
is a phenomenon known as coral bleaching.
It's really coral death.
in fact, right now we are seeing unprecedented
levels of coral bleaching occurring worldwide.
And that happens
because as the ocean temperature rises, you reach
a tipping point where coral can no longer live.
So you don't see these vibrant ecosystems that you're used to
when you see the Great Barrier Reef.
Instead, the coral cannot live in those temperatures.
It dies, it bleaches out to white,
and you lose that integral part of the ocean ecosystem.
Another thing that we're looking at
with our satellites is a phenomenon
known as harmful algal blooms or red tides.
People along the west coast of Florida have had to deal
with this several times in the past few years,
and these red ties that we can,
are able to observe from our satellites
in orbit, as well as ocean surface temperatures.
These red tides are not only
harmful for marine life, but they aerosolized a toxin
that has been blown onshore by the sea breeze
that is harmful for us to breathe.
It causes a lot of lung irritation and irritation,
even for healthy people.
So we've been working very closely
with our partners at NOAA,
as well as with the state of Florida,
to help to develop an early warning system,
for these harmful algal bloom red tide events.
So people know when it's a good day to go to the beach.
so are there any impacts we're seeing
beyond the ocean environment when it comes to warming oceans?
Yeah, I mean, the ocean, it's a it's a big part of our planet.
And it plays a really important role in Earth's climate.
So the ocean absorbs carbon dioxide and heat, and mixes
that up.
And that impacts temperature and carbon
dioxide all over the Earth, including over land.
And there's also an important role around water cycle.
So we're seeing more heavy precipitation events over land.
And in the ocean just really plays.
It's a part of that overall Earth system.
And what happens over the ocean impacts us everywhere.
Yes. As Kate said, you know, a warming ocean evaporates more
water into a warming atmosphere that can hold more water.
And that has to come down somewhere.
So we're in many times, of course, it's over land.
So we're seeing these extreme types
of flooding events occurring again many times
just this past week, again over southern Florida.
we actually have a satellite on orbit
called the Global Precipitation Measurement Mission, or GPM,
that's in partnership with our Japanese space agency partners,
that we're actually able to measure
precipitation across the globe.
And being able to investigate
and monitor
these real time extreme precipitation events and floods.
So in addition to studying precipitation
through Gpn, how else does NASA study the oceans?
We have a number of satellites, and we've actually launched two
just in the last 18 months.
one of them, called Surface Water and Ocean
Topography, is helping us understand the surface waters.
So oceans and also inland rivers and lakes
and tell us how much water is running through those,
rivers and lakes, as well as looking at ocean circulation.
And then just a few months ago, we lost.
We launched pace,
which John has already mentioned,
but pace is telling us more about what's
living in the surface ocean.
So it can tell us a little bit about phytoplankton,
give us information on harmful algal blooms, on fisheries,
as well as on climate.
Yeah, Pace is a truly
revolutionary ocean color instrument.
And we just got our first light
products from pace just a couple months ago.
I'd encourage people to go look at them online.
They're really stunning.
images that we're getting from that satellite.
so hear a lot
about how El Nino and La Nina play roles
in the ocean temperature, which also impacts weather.
So how do they factor into what we're talking about here?
Yeah.
So, El Nino is a warming of the surface
waters in the Pacific off the coast of South America.
and its counterpart, La Nina, is when you have a cooling
in those waters off the coast of South America.
It is part of a natural Earth cycle.
and it affects weather all across the globe.
for the past couple of years, we've been in the El Nino cycle.
And for our viewers here in the United States,
you probably recall back in the fall
and winter hearing of these major,
atmospheric river events occurring on the Pacific coast
where we had
very heavy snowfall, very heavy rainfall, landslides.
El Nino makes those things happen,
where those become much more common
to impact the West Coast.
We are now just now, just in the past, basically
month, our flipping over into the La Nina cycle.
And La Nina of course,
also has effects globally on our weather
moving for this summer with us going into this La Nina
cycle, we're going to have a decrease
in wind shear across the Atlantic basin.
Wind shear is a change in wind
speed and direction as you go higher up in the atmosphere.
Hurricanes don't like wind shear because it tears them apart.
So what we're having this
summer is we're going to have a very hot Atlantic basin.
Ocean temperatures in the Atlantic
are near or above record highs, along with an environment
because of La Nina of low wind shear.
This can make for a very dangerous
and very long hurricane season
across the Atlantic, Caribbean and Gulf.
And in addition to those extreme weather effects
that John describes, you know, we're seeing,
you know, El Nino years are tend to be warmer on average.
La Nina tend to be cooler.
But then we have a background of climate change
in increases in temperatures overall.
So just as an example, 2022 was the warmest
La Nina year on record.
It's a La Nina, normally cooler than average.
It was the warmest La Nina year,
and at the time it was tied for fifth warmest 2023.
Where we entered into that El Nino
phase was the far and away the hottest year on record.
So we have a few questions
coming in online. Thank you everyone
for sending them in and keep them coming.
so we have a question from YouTube
and they ask what would happen if all the ice melted.
So there's a lot of water contained in the ice.
and,
and when the water and the ice is over
land, when it melts and runs into the ocean,
it increases the volume of ocean.
So we would see very,
very extreme levels of sea of sea level rise.
Yes. I mean, I think, you know, we've seen estimates
that if all of the ice in our polar regions melted
and the Greenland
ice caps and Arctic ice caps and so on and so forth,
it would be us believe, a rise of over 200ft
in sea level globally.
We're not
saying that's going to happen
because that's a very extreme event.
But if you actually were able or did melt all the ice.
Yeah, you're looking at, a very different landscape
of our shores and continents.
so we have a question from Moses Kotaku on Facebook,
and they ask, are we going to experience
another destructive, mighty El Nino,
El Nino and lightning?
It's a natural cycle.
And every few years we shift from one into the other.
And so we're entered into La Nina now.
But we would expect in a few years
to go back into an El Nino phase
with all of those changes that come along with it.
Absolutely.
Okay.
So we have a question from a shocker Maria on YouTube.
And they ask is thermal expansion of the oceans
a significant factor of rising sea levels.
It is a factor in rising sea levels.
And one of the things
that NASA actually does is we look at sea level
from a couple of different factors that contribute to it,
and we provide that information publicly
so we can look at the contribution
of melting of ice sheets, of thermal expansion,
of changes in the it's we call it vertical land motion.
But changes in how high the land is.
And look at each of those individual factors
and see how much they contribute where you live.
So we have a sea level change portal where you can go
click on a city or location along the coast and see
how much, thermal expansion has contributed where you live.
And exactly as Kate said, these are all compounding factors.
I mean, so you have of course the melting ice issue.
You have the thermal expansion issue
and you have this land subsidence issue.
And unfortunately in some of our
most vulnerable areas like southeastern Louisiana,
we're having land sets.
And it's occurred a much higher rate than average.
So you're again,
it's just compounding the sea level rise
issue at the same time in those places.
Thank you.
So the effect of ocean warming include sea
level rise due to thermal expansion, coral bleaching,
accelerated melting of Earth's major ice sheets
and an intensified
hurricanes and changes in ocean health and biochemistry.
It really is all connected.
So can you explain to me how is NASA able to combine
the data to explain all of that interconnected systems
and how they're working together?
One of the ways we combine all these is through models.
So these are mathematical models.
So we use a computer
and we and we put in our understanding
of the physics of the Earth system
and all of its different parts.
And then we can look at how they're interrelated
so we can represent the land, the ocean, the atmosphere,
water, emissions, and put all of that
into a single computer model and then use the observations
that we get from our NASA satellites
to help us better understand how that changes over time.
And then from those models, we can
then look at the individual drivers in the past
and the processes that are contributing
to the changes we see today.
And then we can also use those to project into the future.
Yeah, it's really a system of data.
and it's a tremendous amount of data.
Not only that we're getting
from ground sensors or airborne campaigns,
but we're downloading almost 25TB of data
every day on the Earth system.
And how it is changing
from our constellation of Earth observing satellites.
And so in order to understand this, just treasure
trove of data,
we really have to have these
remarkable model predictive capabilities
that we have at NASA along with our other partners.
Thank you.
I'm learning so much today,
and thank you
for all of this insight and of for all of the data.
So let's check in with another climate expert,
Doctor Kerry Charles
Nicholson, at NASA's Jet
Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California,
who's going to give us
an update on the connection between heat and air quality
and the detrimental impact it has on humans.
I'm interested in
air quality from the perspective of urban heat.
I work on an instrument called eco stress, which studies
surface temperature from the International Space Station.
What are the things
we're really interested in is the urban heat island effect.
So in cities, especially cities that have a lot of cement
and concrete, there is cities get hotter during a heat wave,
but at night they don't have a chance to cool down.
And so the next day things just get hotter
and hotter and hotter.
And this has significant health impacts.
But it also has real impacts on air quality.
As you know, people tend to run their air
conditioning units when it gets hot.
And this contributes to emissions.
We know that heatwaves are becoming hotter,
they last longer and they're becoming more frequent.
And so we're concerned about
the long term impacts to air quality.
As a result of heat waves.
Eco stress is especially interesting to study urban heat
because it has a very fine resolution.
That means that we can zoom in to individual neighborhoods,
since we know that individual neighborhoods
each experience heat differently,
and we're working with city officials and city planners
to see what we can do to mitigate the impact of heat
in our neighborhoods.
Thank you.
Carrie.
So, Kate and John, can you explain what NASA is
doing to help inform
local decision makers about heat and air quality?
Well, I'm going to focus on one particular aspect
of air quality and heat,
and that is on the issue of nitrogen dioxide.
Now nitrogen dioxide and O2 is a harmful pollutant
to breathe on its own.
It's a regulated pollutant by the EPA.
It comes from smokestacks and tailpipes.
So cars and factories.
So it's extremely concentrated,
particularly in our urban areas.
Now with nitrogen dioxide, once you expose it to heat
and sunlight, it breaks down into ozone.
And we mentioned ozone earlier
because we love ozone up in the stratosphere,
where it protects us from the sun's UV radiation.
But we don't like it down here
at nose level where we're breathing it
because it causes a lot of lung irritation, throat irritation,
particularly harmful for those who already have
preexisting conditions like asthma or COPD.
So as you can tell, this urban heat island effect is actually
creating and generating ozone, particularly during
rising heat vents and heat waves.
And that leads to these red alert air quality days
that people probably hear in their cities,
where they're encouraged to take public transportation
in or not gas up their car that day
because the level of ozone is too high.
Now. Luckily, last year
we launched a brand new satellite into orbit called
tempo and tempo is looking at the very air we breathe across
the United States every hour of the daylight
and unprecedented resolution down at the neighborhood.
Scale and tempo observes nitrogen dioxide.
So we're being able to watch nitrogen oxide, how it forms
during the day, where it moves, where it's going,
how is it different from Am rush to PM rush
and sharing that data with our partners,
such as with state air quality departments
or the EPA, for them to better understand and monitor
the health of our atmosphere.
That's sharing of data is really important to us at NASA.
So we share tempo data, we share data from all of our missions,
and we're working not just to make it
publicly available, but to make it easier to use
so that people know what's there, know how to find it,
know how to use it, and can understand
what's happening where they live.
It's so great that NASA data can be used
in this way and have real benefits to life on Earth.
So, you
know, as
temperatures on Earth continue to rise due to climate change,
heatwaves are expected to get hotter and occur more often.
As Kate and John have both mentioned urban areas
that have more buildings and roads,
and less natural landscapes and vegetation
will be impacted more severely by those heatwaves
and their associated health and environmental effects.
So what solutions are there to combat some of these issues
when it comes to heat and air quality in urban areas?
Well, the number one driver of rising heat in
urban areas is rising heat on the planet in general.
And so to limit the warming in our urban areas,
we have to limit the warming overall.
But there are some local things that people are doing now
and that we can observe the impacts of in an urban area.
So earlier you heard a little bit about eco stress.
So one of the things that eco stress can do is
look at temperatures at a very high precision
in urban areas and see where it's hot, where it's cool,
and then also look at how the activities
people take in those cities change those temperatures.
And so I think we have an image, but looking at it
from eco stress at an area in California,
and there's actually up
now for the readers to actually walk through it.
If you look at the area that's in that green polygon
that is an area where they have painted
the street with a reflective paint,
and as a result, that street is cooler
than the surrounding neighborhoods.
And we can see that from space.
We can see the temperatures of that urban area,
and we can see where it's cooler.
So as Kate said, you know, on the margins, we can affect it.
And I mentioned earlier
there's some actions that people can take,
such as rooftop gardens or encourage
your buildings to have rooftop gardens,
while also expanding green space in our city
to help have areas where people can get cool
and cool, the environment in general.
But another thing
that needs to be thought of
is the location of cooling centers
where people can get out of the heat.
NASA did a project several years ago
with cities like Cincinnati, Dayton, and Phoenix
where we actually took
temperature observations from our Landsat satellite,
which is a NASA, USGS joint satellite.
We get very high resolution
temperature data so we could plot
where were the real hotspots in the city.
So those cities, instead of
found out that sometimes
their cooling centers were miles away
from where really the hottest part of the urban core was.
So they could have them better
located so people could have easier access to
get in and out of the heat.
So we have some questions coming in from the public.
Thank you again.
so we have Kyle Guy and number two on ECS.
And they ask, does launching all of the rockets
into space have any effect on our atmosphere.
So rocket
launches do have short
term impacts along the launch trajectory
depending on the type of propellant use.
So there's different types of fueling a rocket
and they have different impacts.
Those impacts are small compared to human activities.
Impact on climate change today
okay, so Gregory de Bonnie on Facebook asks
if carbon dioxide is a natural byproduct of life,
how is it possible to reduce the carbon emission to zero?
So we're talking when we talk about reducing carbon.
And you might hear the phrase
net zero or reducing carbon dioxide emissions to zero.
They're usually talking about human caused
climate, carbon dioxide emissions
or what scientists would call anthropogenic.
So the carbon dioxide emissions
associated with combusting of fossil fuels
or other changes in the landscape.
And when you get that to net zero,
meaning that any positive emissions from human activities
are balanced by removals that would limit warming,
but it is emissions, not concentrations.
So when we're talking about how much more carbon
you put into the atmosphere,
rather than, the amount that is in the atmosphere.
Thank you.
Thank you for the clarification
because I know that is a common question that we get.
So, at NASA, we have an array of facilities
across various climates
from our headquarters in Washington, DC,
Kennedy Space Center in Florida to the sunny west at NASA's Jet
Propulsion Laboratory, or JPL in California,
which is why we must consider
how climate change will impact our own infrastructure.
So now let's turn to Tom Nicholas at the White Sands
Test Facility in New Mexico
to learn more about how NASA is preparing for the future.
He can have a cascading effect on all communities at NASA.
The White Sands Test Facility, also known as wisdom,
located in the southwest New Mexico desert.
We get plenty of sunshine,
but only about 8 or 9in of rain per year.
Because of these environmental factors,
we're always planning for the future
and thinking
about how to secure a facility
so we can continue to meet our mission.
As the energy manager here at Wisdom,
it's my job, along with the NASA Facilities
Engineering and Sustainability team,
to work with these unique issues
to develop projects that can help improve carbon
free energy production, water conservation, and resiliency.
To combat these issues,
we are taking advantage of our hot,
sunny days to develop and expand on our photovoltaic generation
and battery energy storage.
In addition, we're making improvements
within our site and testing areas
to reduce water consumption
with a large altitude test and water recapture project.
To improve resiliency, we are constructing a microgrid
that will independently power
our site's water system, helping us to conserve water.
We will continue to strive for environmental improvements
to increase our sustainability efforts.
Thank you Tom.
The impact climate change has on
managing facilities and communities seems very vast.
So Kate and John, can you expand on what NASA is doing to learn
more about this and providing decision makers with that data?
So one of the things about NASA is we have centers
and facilities all across the country,
and each of those are facing different impacts now.
And we know that with future warming,
they'll they'll also those impacts will increase.
And so we're taking steps.
Now you heard about some of those in the video
at Kennedy Space Center, which is a coastal facility.
We actually are doing mangrove replanting
and sand dune restoration
to protect our infrastructure and facilities now.
But when we think about the future,
we need to know what's changing
and what are those impacts might be in the future.
So we actually have a project
where our climate scientists
work with our infrastructure teams to to talk to them
about what might happen and so they can better prepare
and that also helps us, as scientists understand
what information is needed for decision making
and how to get that.
So it's in a more easily accessible form.
And we've been putting trainings out on our website
so people can understand what we're doing
and how they can use that information as well.
No. Talked a lot about today about how our data is
completely free, open access to everyone across the globe
and how we're doing
all these projects to get that data
into the hands of people to make decisions.
But we are
the users of that data as well, not only the producers of it.
And so that's a really cool aspect
that we're actually at NASA
using this data to help understand
the vulnerabilities
of our facilities and how to mitigate those vulnerabilities.
Because, as Kate mentioned,
many of our facilities along the Louisiana,
Mississippi Gulf Coast and the Florida
East Coast are in some very vulnerable areas.
So we have some more questions from online.
Marcus on YouTube asks
how much impact with switching our grids over from coal
and natural gas to nuclear have on lowering our emissions?
So one of the major drivers of climate change
is carbon dioxide, and one of the major
contributors of that is from electricity grids.
and I don't have the exact numbers on me right now,
but that is something
that scientists do look at, is how much more warming
we get from the grid we have now.
And what would future energy systems
mean in terms of warming?
Mia on from Virginia asks
what advancements on the International Space Station
help us with sustainability on Earth?
Oh, this is a you know, we also live and work in space.
And so we have astronauts
that are currently living on the International Space Station.
And one of the things that NASA does is
we think about what they need to survive
off that planet, off the planet Earth.
And as a result of that, those things
that we have to develop for crew living on
the International Space Station can also help us here on Earth
be more sustainable.
So just as one example,
our astronauts
grow crops on the International Space Station,
and we have done a lot of research
into LED lighting and fertilizer applications and types
of fertilizer in order to grow those crops in space.
And those can be used all around the world here on Earth
to do
for indoor
agriculture facilities and to help us improve our farming.
You know, the International Space Station
has just become this amazing Earth science laboratory,
a continuously crewed Earth science laboratory in orbit
that has lots of sensors on board.
They're giving us information
on this Earth system and how it is changing.
That includes, for example, eco stress
that was mentioned earlier, looking at plant
health, for example, across the globe.
But there's another sensor on board
the International Space Station called emit.
And one of the things that emit do, emit can do
is look at methane plumes across the planet.
And we talk a lot about carbon dioxide
because it's the most common greenhouse gas.
But methane is, by a factor,
several factors times a most severe greenhouse gas.
And it comes a lot from the generation of the oil
industry, etc. and so forth.
And so a
this actually able to look at these
kind of super methane emitters across the planet
to help us understand where they are
and that information, of course, feeds into our climate models.
All right.
So we have time for one final question.
And this is for both of you.
So what advice do you have for someone watching today
if they want to join NASA's efforts in studying our planet
and climate change?
Well, we have a lot of efforts underway at NASA in order to,
invigorate and inspire our next
generation of scientists, engineers and explorers.
And that includes a very vibrant intern campaign
that I encourage people to look into and in,
particularly in the Earth Action Program,
where I said, we have a program called NASA develop
and NASA develop, is a program that allows college, undergrad,
and graduate students
to be able to work directly with NASA Earth scientists
at centers all across the country
to use the Earth observations
we've talked about today to help tackle local problems.
We also have a lot of citizen science projects
where people anywhere, all around the world,
can help us do science just from their home, often
with just a cell phone.
So we have one project called Nemo Net,
where you can play a game on your phone
where you help us categorize coral reefs.
There's another one called the Globe Observer app,
where you can help us better understand clouds.
And you can do that just from your home.
Yes, that's right, there are many projects
that the public can participate in from their own homes.
So to learn more, visit
go dot nasa.gov forward slash citizen science.
Thank you both so much for joining me today
to discuss this incredibly important topic.
Thank you Joy.
Thank you so.
And thank you to everyone online for watching.
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Thank you and see you next time.
There goes pace.
Humans have never had a data set like this.
NASA's Pace satellite is showing us
the colors of the ocean like never before, and lift off
by being able to see the diversity of the phytoplankton.
We're going to be able to model much better
where that carbon is going.
I'm going to slide it under
and we're going to see what we're going to see.
Some party people. Yeah.
Oh wow. Okay.
So what you seeing here.
It's called a diatom.
You guys both also have ties to the ocean.
So I know Bridgette. You surf? Yeah.
That's right, I am a surfer.
In terms of surfing and water quality.
Pace is going to be great from a single satellite.
We get to learn about water, land and air
as we continue to monitor Earth's changing climate.