1 00:00:00,900 --> 00:00:12,579 ♪♪ 2 00:00:12,579 --> 00:00:14,647 - GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. 3 00:00:14,647 --> 00:00:16,950 THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US TODAY 4 00:00:16,950 --> 00:00:18,551 FOR A CANDID DISCUSSION 5 00:00:18,551 --> 00:00:22,155 ON REPRESENTATION, IDENTITY, AND DIVERSITY 6 00:00:22,155 --> 00:00:24,357 HERE AT MARSHALL SPACE FLIGHT CENTER. 7 00:00:24,357 --> 00:00:27,127 THIS IS PART ONE OF TWO EVENTS 8 00:00:27,127 --> 00:00:28,461 THAT WE HAVE PLANNED THIS MONTH 9 00:00:28,461 --> 00:00:29,729 IN HONOR OF BLACK HISTORY. 10 00:00:29,729 --> 00:00:32,432 SO, YOU-- WE HOPE THAT YOU JOIN US AGAIN 11 00:00:32,432 --> 00:00:35,435 NEXT WEEK TUESDAY AT 10 A.M. 12 00:00:35,435 --> 00:00:37,904 I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU ENJOY THIS DIALOGUE TODAY. 13 00:00:37,904 --> 00:00:39,806 I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AWESOME. 14 00:00:39,806 --> 00:00:42,275 WE INVITE YOU TO BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION. 15 00:00:42,275 --> 00:00:44,511 SO, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THAT COME UP 16 00:00:44,511 --> 00:00:47,380 AS YOU HEAR THESE PANELISTS SPEAK, 17 00:00:47,380 --> 00:00:49,816 GO AHEAD AND TYPE IT IN THE CHAT BOX. 18 00:00:49,816 --> 00:00:52,285 I WILL BE MONITORING THROUGHOUT AND TOWARDS THE END, 19 00:00:52,285 --> 00:00:56,956 WE'LL TRY TO FIT AS MANY IN AS TIME WILL ALLOW. 20 00:00:56,956 --> 00:00:59,793 PLEASE, IF YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THE PANELISTS 21 00:00:59,793 --> 00:01:01,194 OR THE MODERATOR, 22 00:01:01,194 --> 00:01:03,797 PLEASE REMEMBER TO KEEP YOUR MICS MUTED 23 00:01:03,797 --> 00:01:05,665 AND YOUR CAMERAS OFF. 24 00:01:05,665 --> 00:01:07,033 THANK YOU SO MUCH. 25 00:01:07,033 --> 00:01:09,502 UM, IF CLOSED CAPTIONING IS A REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION 26 00:01:09,502 --> 00:01:11,738 THAT YOU NEED, UM, IT IS AVAILABLE. 27 00:01:11,738 --> 00:01:14,174 ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS CLICK THE THREE-- 28 00:01:14,174 --> 00:01:17,177 UM, THE THREE DOTS ON YOUR-- 29 00:01:17,177 --> 00:01:18,778 IN THE TOP RIGHT OF YOUR SCREEN. 30 00:01:18,778 --> 00:01:20,346 IF YOU CLICK ON THAT AND SCROLL DOWN, 31 00:01:20,346 --> 00:01:21,714 YOU'LL SEE AN OPTION THAT SAYS 32 00:01:21,714 --> 00:01:23,917 "TURN ON LIVE CAPTIONS." 33 00:01:23,917 --> 00:01:25,118 UM, SO, THAT IS AN OPTION 34 00:01:25,118 --> 00:01:26,853 IF YOU NEED THAT THIS MORNING. 35 00:01:26,853 --> 00:01:29,589 UM, OTHER THAN THAT, WE ARE EXCITED TO GET STARTED. 36 00:01:29,589 --> 00:01:31,891 I'D LIKE TO INVITE MY BOSS, LOUCIOUS HIRES, 37 00:01:31,891 --> 00:01:35,028 DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF DIVERSITY AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY 38 00:01:35,028 --> 00:01:36,663 TO JOIN US AT THIS TIME 39 00:01:36,663 --> 00:01:38,531 AND INTRODUCE OUR PANELISTS 40 00:01:38,531 --> 00:01:39,866 AND OUR MODERATOR. 41 00:01:39,866 --> 00:01:42,869 LOUCIOUS? 42 00:01:42,869 --> 00:01:44,370 - THANK YOU SO MUCH, AMANDA. 43 00:01:44,370 --> 00:01:45,672 AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO 44 00:01:45,672 --> 00:01:46,706 AND THE REST OF THE TEAM 45 00:01:46,706 --> 00:01:49,075 TO REALLY PUT THESE EVENTS ON 46 00:01:49,075 --> 00:01:50,743 AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. 47 00:01:50,743 --> 00:01:52,111 SO, GOOD MORNING. 48 00:01:52,111 --> 00:01:53,680 I WOULD LIKE TO FORMALLY WELCOME YOU ALL 49 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,382 AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING OUR LUNCH AND LEARN TODAY. 50 00:01:56,382 --> 00:01:58,384 LIKE ALL OTHER SPECIAL EMPHASIS PROGRAMS 51 00:01:58,384 --> 00:01:59,886 THAT ODEO SPONSORS, 52 00:01:59,886 --> 00:02:01,688 OUR GOAL HERE TODAY IS TO NOT ONLY 53 00:02:01,688 --> 00:02:03,556 CELEBRATE BLACK HISTORY, 54 00:02:03,556 --> 00:02:05,925 BUT TO PROMOTE A COHESIVE, COLLABORATIVE, 55 00:02:05,925 --> 00:02:08,461 DIVERSE, AND INCLUSIVE WORKING ENVIRONMENT. 56 00:02:08,461 --> 00:02:10,997 MOVING FROM EQUALITY TO EQUITY 57 00:02:10,997 --> 00:02:14,000 FOR OUR ENTIRE WORKFORCE. 58 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,802 AND ALTHOUGH THESE PROGRAMS ARE NAMED 59 00:02:15,802 --> 00:02:19,072 AFTER A SPECIFIC COMMUNITY OF THE MARSHALL POPULATION, 60 00:02:19,072 --> 00:02:21,441 WE ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO FULLY PARTICIPATE, 61 00:02:21,441 --> 00:02:23,943 REGARDLESS OF DEMOGRAPHIC IDENTITY. 62 00:02:23,943 --> 00:02:26,546 IN FACT, WE INVITE YOU TO INVITE SOMEONE 63 00:02:26,546 --> 00:02:29,315 WHO'S NOT OF ANY OTHER DIVERSE CATEGORIES 64 00:02:29,315 --> 00:02:31,584 THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO CLASSIFY FOR YOURSELF-- 65 00:02:31,584 --> 00:02:33,620 RACE, AGE, GENDER. 66 00:02:33,620 --> 00:02:36,089 OR WHAT ABOUT YOUR ORGANIZATIONAL CODE? 67 00:02:36,089 --> 00:02:38,157 WE'D LIKE TO INVITE YOU TO INVITE SOMEONE ELSE 68 00:02:38,157 --> 00:02:39,926 TO PARTICIPATE WITH YOU. 69 00:02:39,926 --> 00:02:41,160 AND MORE THAN THAT, 70 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,897 WE'D ALSO LIKE TO INVITE YOU TO REACH OUT TO THE ODEO TEAM 71 00:02:43,897 --> 00:02:46,366 IF YOU'D LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN ANY EVENTS. 72 00:02:46,366 --> 00:02:48,067 UH, I'LL HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS AND SUGGESTIONS 73 00:02:48,067 --> 00:02:49,636 AS WE MOVE FORWARD. 74 00:02:49,636 --> 00:02:51,304 SO, YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION TODAY 75 00:02:51,304 --> 00:02:53,773 WILL CONTRIBUTE TO INCREASING YOUR ABILITY 76 00:02:53,773 --> 00:02:57,677 TO UNDERSTAND, APPRECIATE, AND LEAD OUR DIVERSE WORK FORCE 77 00:02:57,677 --> 00:02:59,445 BY [INDISTINCT] 78 00:02:59,445 --> 00:03:02,282 NASA'S ABILITY TO ACHIEVE MISSION SUCCESS. 79 00:03:02,282 --> 00:03:03,950 WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE 80 00:03:03,950 --> 00:03:05,685 OUR FOUR PANELISTS FOR TODAY. 81 00:03:05,685 --> 00:03:07,887 AND THEN, WE HAVE SOME SUPERSTARS FOR YOU. 82 00:03:07,887 --> 00:03:10,056 BUT OF COURSE, THEY'RE FROM MARSHALL SPACE FLIGHT CENTER, 83 00:03:10,056 --> 00:03:12,058 SO WHAT ELSE WOULD WE EXPECT? 84 00:03:12,058 --> 00:03:15,728 SO, WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE WITH US TODAY BRIAN ODOM. 85 00:03:15,728 --> 00:03:19,299 ODOM, WHO IS ALSO THE ACTING NASA CHIEF HISTORIAN. 86 00:03:19,299 --> 00:03:20,800 DWIGHT MOSBY, 87 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,703 PAYLOAD MISSIONS OPERATIONS DIVISION MANAGER. 88 00:03:23,703 --> 00:03:24,971 RHEGA GORDON, 89 00:03:24,971 --> 00:03:27,707 MARSHALL SPACE FLIGHT CENTER CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. 90 00:03:27,707 --> 00:03:29,175 AND ARTHUR BROWN, 91 00:03:29,175 --> 00:03:32,111 ECLSS INTEGRATION AND DEVELOPMENT DEPUTY. 92 00:03:32,111 --> 00:03:34,981 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US TODAY, PANELISTS. 93 00:03:34,981 --> 00:03:37,283 WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME 94 00:03:37,283 --> 00:03:40,820 TO ENGAGE IN THIS CRUCIAL CONVERSATION. 95 00:03:40,820 --> 00:03:43,856 OUR 20-- OUR 2021 THEME IS 96 00:03:43,856 --> 00:03:47,026 REPRESENTATION, IDENTITY, AND DIVERSITY. 97 00:03:47,026 --> 00:03:48,895 TOGETHER WE ACHIEVE. 98 00:03:48,895 --> 00:03:51,598 NOT ONLY DO WE ACHIEVE BY BEING DIVERSE AND INCLUSIVE 99 00:03:51,598 --> 00:03:53,733 AT NASA AND MARSHALL SPACE FLIGHT CENTER, 100 00:03:53,733 --> 00:03:56,102 BUT BY BEING PART OF OUR COMMUNITY 101 00:03:56,102 --> 00:03:58,237 AND OUR COMMUNITY BEING PART OF US. 102 00:03:58,237 --> 00:03:59,772 YOU KNOW, NASA HAS A HISTORY 103 00:03:59,772 --> 00:04:02,008 OF BEING INVOLVED WITH THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. 104 00:04:02,008 --> 00:04:03,476 AND HOPEFULLY, WE WILL GET TO LEARN 105 00:04:03,476 --> 00:04:05,745 A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT TODAY. 106 00:04:05,745 --> 00:04:07,747 NASA ALSO NEEDS PARTNERS. 107 00:04:07,747 --> 00:04:10,216 COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO HELP US TO RECRUIT, 108 00:04:10,216 --> 00:04:13,186 RETAIN, AND EVEN DEVELOP THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST 109 00:04:13,186 --> 00:04:16,155 SO NOT ONLY WILL THEY WANT TO COME TO THE TENNESSEE VALLEY, 110 00:04:16,155 --> 00:04:17,824 BUT STAY. 111 00:04:17,824 --> 00:04:19,058 SO, WE NEED PARTNERS. 112 00:04:19,058 --> 00:04:20,226 COMMUNITY PARTNERS 113 00:04:20,226 --> 00:04:22,895 WHO ARE FORWARD-LEANING AND INVESTED IN THE COMMUNITY 114 00:04:22,895 --> 00:04:26,032 AND UNDERSTAND THAT-- THE VALUE OF COLLABORATION. 115 00:04:26,032 --> 00:04:28,167 NOT ONLY WITH MARSHALL SPACE FLIGHT CENTER, 116 00:04:28,167 --> 00:04:31,838 BUT OUT ALL OF THE RESTON-- OF ALL THE RESTON ARSENAL. 117 00:04:31,838 --> 00:04:33,106 SO, SAYIN' ALL THAT, 118 00:04:33,106 --> 00:04:35,775 I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE TO YOU OUR MODERATOR 119 00:04:35,775 --> 00:04:37,977 FOR TODAY'S LUNCH AND LEARN. 120 00:04:37,977 --> 00:04:40,113 OUR SPECIAL GUEST MODERATOR TODAY 121 00:04:40,113 --> 00:04:42,882 IS NO OTHER THAN DR. KAROCKAS WATKINS, 122 00:04:42,882 --> 00:04:44,684 AKA "DOC ROCK," 123 00:04:44,684 --> 00:04:47,420 CEO/PRESIDENT OF ABILITY PLUS. 124 00:04:47,420 --> 00:04:49,489 UM, AND A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION 125 00:04:49,489 --> 00:04:50,923 ABOUT DR. WATKINS, 126 00:04:50,923 --> 00:04:52,525 ALTHOUGH I COULD TALK ABOUT HIM ALL DAY 127 00:04:52,525 --> 00:04:55,695 AND HIS VIDEO-- HIS BIO IS VERY IMPRESSIVE. 128 00:04:55,695 --> 00:04:57,463 FIRST OF ALL, HE'S A SERVANT. 129 00:04:57,463 --> 00:04:59,132 HE HOLDS MULTIPLE DEGREES 130 00:04:59,132 --> 00:05:00,967 FROM A BACHELOR'S IN MECHANICAL ENGINEERING 131 00:05:00,967 --> 00:05:03,269 FROM-FROM KETTERING UNIVERSITY, 132 00:05:03,269 --> 00:05:05,805 A MASTERS OF THEOLOGY, TWO DOCTORATE DEGREES, 133 00:05:05,805 --> 00:05:07,306 ONE IN THEOLOGY 134 00:05:07,306 --> 00:05:08,775 AND THE OTHER IN PHILOSOPHY, 135 00:05:08,775 --> 00:05:11,344 BOTH FROM NORTH CAROLINA'S COLLEGE OF THEOLOGY, 136 00:05:11,344 --> 00:05:14,280 AND BEING A GRADUATE OF VANDERBILT UNIVERSITY 137 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:16,916 OWEN GRADUATE SCHOOL EXECUTIVE DEVELOPMENT INSTITUTE 138 00:05:16,916 --> 00:05:18,885 IN BUSINESS EXCELLENCE. 139 00:05:18,885 --> 00:05:22,155 DR. WATKINS ALSO EXCELS IN LEADERSHIP CONSULTING 140 00:05:22,155 --> 00:05:23,890 AND PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT 141 00:05:23,890 --> 00:05:27,093 AS WELL AS BEING AN EXPERT IN EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE, 142 00:05:27,093 --> 00:05:29,462 CERTIFIED AS A TRAINED TRAINER, 143 00:05:29,462 --> 00:05:31,664 UH, THROUGH TELESMART IN SAN-- 144 00:05:31,664 --> 00:05:34,801 TELESMART IN SAN DIEGO. 145 00:05:34,801 --> 00:05:37,403 HE IS A CERTIFIED LEADERSHIP COACH 146 00:05:37,403 --> 00:05:39,739 AND CERTIFIED EXECUTIVE COACH. 147 00:05:39,739 --> 00:05:41,974 DR. WATKINS HAS OVER 250-- 148 00:05:41,974 --> 00:05:44,777 LEAD OVER 250 CRUSADES AND LEADERSHIP CONFERENCES 149 00:05:44,777 --> 00:05:47,280 IN 20 PLUS COUNTRIES GLOBALLY 150 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:51,284 AS A NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL MOTIVATIONAL SPEAKER. 151 00:05:51,284 --> 00:05:54,153 DR. WATKINS IS CURRENTLY THE CEO OF ABILITY PLUS, 152 00:05:54,153 --> 00:05:56,222 WHICH EMPLOYS OVER 600 PEOPLE 153 00:05:56,222 --> 00:05:58,391 AND SERVES INDIVIDUALS WITH INTELLECTUAL 154 00:05:58,391 --> 00:06:00,259 AND DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES. 155 00:06:00,259 --> 00:06:02,161 HE IS ALSO-- 156 00:06:02,161 --> 00:06:05,465 HE IS ALSO CEO OF VISION EX-- EXCELLENCE COMPANY, 157 00:06:05,465 --> 00:06:07,567 WHICH PROVIDES LEADERSHIP CONSULTING 158 00:06:07,567 --> 00:06:11,270 AND PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT TO LEADERS WORLDWIDE. 159 00:06:11,270 --> 00:06:14,340 A LOT GOING ON, BUT THAT'S STILL NOT ALL HE'S DOIN'. 160 00:06:14,340 --> 00:06:16,476 HE PASSIONATELY SERVES HIS COMMUNITY 161 00:06:16,476 --> 00:06:18,344 BY ACTIVELY SERVIN' ON MULTIPLE BOARDS 162 00:06:18,344 --> 00:06:19,612 WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. 163 00:06:19,612 --> 00:06:21,748 HE CURRENTLY SERVES ON THE HUNTSVILLE/MADISON COUNTY 164 00:06:21,748 --> 00:06:23,850 CHAMBER OF COMMERCE EXECUTIVE BOARD 165 00:06:23,850 --> 00:06:26,519 AS VICE CHAIR OF DIVERSITY, EQUITY, AND INCLUSION. 166 00:06:26,519 --> 00:06:30,923 HE, UH, LAUNCHED 2035 EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF 100, 167 00:06:30,923 --> 00:06:33,626 [INDISTINCT] SOUTH REGIONAL ADVISORY BOARD, 168 00:06:33,626 --> 00:06:35,328 PART OF THE VALLEY YMCA, 169 00:06:35,328 --> 00:06:39,198 AAMU STRATEGIC ADVISORY BOARD OF COLLEGE AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS. 170 00:06:39,198 --> 00:06:43,636 AND DR. WATKINS IS ALSO A NATIVE OF DECATUR, ALABAMA 171 00:06:43,636 --> 00:06:46,272 AND HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN MANY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT 172 00:06:46,272 --> 00:06:49,208 AND REV-REVITALIZATION ENDEAVORS. 173 00:06:49,208 --> 00:06:51,477 HE IS MARRIED TO DR. AUDREY WATKINS. 174 00:06:51,477 --> 00:06:55,214 THEY HAVE TWO DAUGHTERS, BRIANNA, 24, KRISTINA, 21, 175 00:06:55,214 --> 00:06:57,583 AND A 14-YEAR-OLD SON, JOSHUA. 176 00:06:57,583 --> 00:07:01,120 DR. WATKINS HAS BEEN AN ORDAINED MINISTER FOR 30 YEARS 177 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,356 AND SERVED AS THE GENERAL OVERSEER 178 00:07:03,356 --> 00:07:06,192 OF THE EMMANUEL CHURCH IN MADISON, ALABAMA. 179 00:07:06,192 --> 00:07:07,593 AND HE IS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT 180 00:07:07,593 --> 00:07:09,729 SEEING PEOPLE LIVE PRODUCTIVE LIVES 181 00:07:09,729 --> 00:07:11,764 AND THROUGH-- 182 00:07:11,764 --> 00:07:13,699 HE IS GRACE TO SERVE IN ALL OF THESE-- 183 00:07:13,699 --> 00:07:14,767 AND THOUGHT-- AND THANKFUL, 184 00:07:14,767 --> 00:07:17,136 HE IS GRATEFUL TO SERVE IN ALL OF THESE CAPACITIES. 185 00:07:17,136 --> 00:07:19,572 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO-- 186 00:07:19,572 --> 00:07:22,375 INTRODUCE-- INVITE DR. WATKINS TO TAKE OVER. 187 00:07:22,375 --> 00:07:23,943 DOC ROCK? 188 00:07:23,943 --> 00:07:25,211 - THANK YOU, UH, LOUCIOUS. 189 00:07:25,211 --> 00:07:27,613 AND, UH, I CALL TODAY, UH, "WONDERFUL WEDNESDAY." 190 00:07:27,613 --> 00:07:28,915 I'M LOOKIN' FORWARD TO HAVIN' 191 00:07:28,915 --> 00:07:31,250 A GREAT CONVERSATION, UH, TODAY. 192 00:07:31,250 --> 00:07:32,418 WANNA THANK NASA. 193 00:07:32,418 --> 00:07:35,588 WANNA THANK JODY SINGER, WHO WAS A CLASSMATE OF MINE 194 00:07:35,588 --> 00:07:37,523 IN LEADERSHIP, HUNTSVILLE. 195 00:07:37,523 --> 00:07:38,624 L30 CLASS. 196 00:07:38,624 --> 00:07:40,159 THE ULTIMATE CLASS, AS WE SAY. 197 00:07:40,159 --> 00:07:41,794 UM, AND ALSO, THE OFFICE OF 198 00:07:41,794 --> 00:07:43,396 DIVERSITY AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, 199 00:07:43,396 --> 00:07:45,698 UH, HERE AT NASA FOR ALLOWING ME 200 00:07:45,698 --> 00:07:47,900 TO JOIN IN ON THIS CONVERSATION TODAY 201 00:07:47,900 --> 00:07:49,902 AS WE TALK ABOUT DIVERSITY, EQUITY, AND INCLUSION, 202 00:07:49,902 --> 00:07:51,637 SOMETHING THAT I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT. 203 00:07:51,637 --> 00:07:52,738 SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE IS 204 00:07:52,738 --> 00:07:54,574 VERY IMPORTANT TO WHERE WE ARE, 205 00:07:54,574 --> 00:07:56,142 NOT JUST, UH, TODAY 206 00:07:56,142 --> 00:07:57,677 AND NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE EVENTS THAT HAPPENED 207 00:07:57,677 --> 00:07:58,945 ON LAST YEAR, 208 00:07:58,945 --> 00:08:00,246 BUT BECAUSE OF WHERE WE'RE GOING 209 00:08:00,246 --> 00:08:02,648 AND WHERE OUR COUNTRY AND THE WORLD IS HEADING. 210 00:08:02,648 --> 00:08:06,052 AND, UH, SO, UH, WE HAVE A GREAT GROUP OF PANELISTS 211 00:08:06,052 --> 00:08:07,787 THAT'S GONNA BE ON TODAY 212 00:08:07,787 --> 00:08:09,522 THAT I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR ALL OF Y'ALL. 213 00:08:09,522 --> 00:08:12,725 I DON'T KNOW, UH, SOME OF YOU ALL, UH, INDIVIDUALLY, 214 00:08:12,725 --> 00:08:14,727 BUT READIN' WHAT YOU DO 215 00:08:14,727 --> 00:08:17,230 AND-AND KNOWIN' LOUCIOUS AND, UH, 216 00:08:17,230 --> 00:08:19,765 I'M SURE THAT WE GONNA LEARN A LOT TOGETHER TODAY. 217 00:08:19,765 --> 00:08:21,634 AND I'M LOOKIN' FORWARD TO THE CONVERSATION WE'RE GONNA HAVE. 218 00:08:21,634 --> 00:08:24,003 I'M GONNA ASK SOME QUESTIONS. 219 00:08:24,003 --> 00:08:25,404 SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS I MAY DIRECT 220 00:08:25,404 --> 00:08:27,874 TO CERTAIN PEOPLE ON THE PANEL, 221 00:08:27,874 --> 00:08:30,409 BUT I WANT THE PANEL TO JOIN IN ON MOST OF THE QUESTIONS 222 00:08:30,409 --> 00:08:31,744 IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE. 223 00:08:31,744 --> 00:08:33,613 IF YOU DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE JOININ' IN 224 00:08:33,613 --> 00:08:34,981 ON A CERTAIN QUESTION, 225 00:08:34,981 --> 00:08:37,950 THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER, UH, THAT QUESTION. 226 00:08:37,950 --> 00:08:39,752 WE HAVE, UH, SEVERAL TO GO THROUGH. 227 00:08:39,752 --> 00:08:41,387 WE HAVE LESS THAN A-- ABOUT AN HOUR-- 228 00:08:41,387 --> 00:08:42,421 LESS THAN AN HOUR. 229 00:08:42,421 --> 00:08:45,324 SO, UH, I'VE DONE THIS SEVERAL TIMES, UH, LATELY. 230 00:08:45,324 --> 00:08:47,293 AND SO, WE'LL SEE HOW FAR WE GET TODAY. 231 00:08:47,293 --> 00:08:49,562 BUT I'M SURE WE-WE GONNA LEARN A LOT. 232 00:08:49,562 --> 00:08:50,796 SO, LET'S JUST JUMP INTO, 233 00:08:50,796 --> 00:08:52,965 UH, THE-THE-THE FIRST QUESTION. 234 00:08:52,965 --> 00:08:55,268 AND I-I-I'M GONNA START THIS QUESTION OUT, 235 00:08:55,268 --> 00:08:57,270 AND, UH, RHEGA, I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO, 236 00:08:57,270 --> 00:08:58,571 UH, BE THE FIRST ONE TODAY. 237 00:08:58,571 --> 00:08:59,872 I'M GONNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. 238 00:08:59,872 --> 00:09:01,207 YOU'RE THE FIRST ONE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION. 239 00:09:01,207 --> 00:09:03,042 BUT-- AND HERE IT IS. 240 00:09:03,042 --> 00:09:05,211 DOES REPRESENTATION MATTER? 241 00:09:05,211 --> 00:09:08,948 AND WERE THERE LEADERS YOU LOOKED LI-- 242 00:09:08,948 --> 00:09:10,983 WHO LOOKED LIKE YOU 243 00:09:10,983 --> 00:09:13,853 THAT INFLUENCED YOUR PATH TO LEADERSHIP? 244 00:09:13,853 --> 00:09:15,321 WHAT ARE SOME OF THE WORDS OF WISDOM 245 00:09:15,321 --> 00:09:17,757 YOU WOULD GIVE AN EMPLOYEE 246 00:09:17,757 --> 00:09:20,393 THAT LOOKS TO YOU AS THE LEADER 247 00:09:20,393 --> 00:09:23,596 THEY STRIVE TO BEC-- TO BECOME-BECOME? 248 00:09:23,596 --> 00:09:26,399 UH, RHEGA, WILL YOU START THAT ONE OFF? 249 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:27,433 - YES. 250 00:09:27,433 --> 00:09:28,868 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M HAPPY TO START. 251 00:09:28,868 --> 00:09:30,536 GLAD TO BE WITH EVERYONE TODAY. 252 00:09:30,536 --> 00:09:34,573 UH, I THINK REPRESENTATION DEFINITELY MATTERS. 253 00:09:34,573 --> 00:09:36,809 WHEN PEOPLE DON'T SEE THEMSELVES REPRESENTED 254 00:09:36,809 --> 00:09:39,712 IN LEADERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT ROLES 255 00:09:39,712 --> 00:09:41,847 AND, UM, TAKING, UH-- 256 00:09:41,847 --> 00:09:43,683 TAKING, UH, LEAD ROLES IN THE COMPANY 257 00:09:43,683 --> 00:09:45,284 AND ORGANIZATIONS, 258 00:09:45,284 --> 00:09:47,086 THAT LIMITS THEIR, UM-- 259 00:09:47,086 --> 00:09:49,522 THEIR POSSIBILITIES IN THEIR MIND. 260 00:09:49,522 --> 00:09:51,691 THEY THINK, "I-I DON'T SEE MYSELF THERE, 261 00:09:51,691 --> 00:09:53,626 THEN MAYBE THERE'S NOT A POSSIBILITY 262 00:09:53,626 --> 00:09:54,894 THAT I CAN BE THERE." 263 00:09:54,894 --> 00:09:57,563 SO, I DEFINITELY THINK, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT 264 00:09:57,563 --> 00:10:00,132 EVERYONE CAN SEE THEMSELVES, POTENTIALLY, 265 00:10:00,132 --> 00:10:02,168 IN THESE LEADERSHIP POSITIONS. 266 00:10:02,168 --> 00:10:05,104 UM, I HAD LOTS OF GREAT INFLUENCES, 267 00:10:05,104 --> 00:10:06,772 UM, THROUGHOUT MY LIFE. 268 00:10:06,772 --> 00:10:09,175 I WAS BLESSED WITH A FAMILY OF LEADERS. 269 00:10:09,175 --> 00:10:12,044 UM, SO, I'VE GROWN UP WATCHIN', UM, 270 00:10:12,044 --> 00:10:13,980 MANY OF MY FAMILY MEMBERS LEAD. 271 00:10:13,980 --> 00:10:16,315 UH, I GREW UP IN A HOUSEHOLD WHERE 272 00:10:16,315 --> 00:10:17,650 LEADERSHIP WASN'T SOME-- 273 00:10:17,650 --> 00:10:19,251 WASN'T NECESSARILY AN OPTION. 274 00:10:19,251 --> 00:10:22,254 UH, I GREW UP WHEN, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY CAME UP, 275 00:10:22,254 --> 00:10:24,857 YOU-YOU-YOU HAD AN OBLIGATION TO STEP UP 276 00:10:24,857 --> 00:10:27,293 AND TO SERVE AND TO DO WHAT, UH, 277 00:10:27,293 --> 00:10:29,228 THE COMMUNITY NEEDED YOU TO DO. 278 00:10:29,228 --> 00:10:31,764 SO, I WAS REALLY BLESSED, UM, WITH THAT. 279 00:10:31,764 --> 00:10:33,699 I'VE ALSO HAD A LOT OF, UM, 280 00:10:33,699 --> 00:10:37,003 REALLY POSITIVE MENTORS, UM, AT NASA. 281 00:10:37,003 --> 00:10:38,771 SOME HAVE RETIRED NOW. 282 00:10:38,771 --> 00:10:42,241 UM, I-I WAS, UM, AFRAID TO NAME NAMES 283 00:10:42,241 --> 00:10:44,176 'CAUSE THERE'S JUST SO MANY OF THEM. 284 00:10:44,176 --> 00:10:46,112 BUT, UH, SOME OF THEM HAVE RETIRED NOW, 285 00:10:46,112 --> 00:10:48,514 BUT THERE'S STILL A LOT, UM, YOU KNOW, 286 00:10:48,514 --> 00:10:49,949 STILL-STILL AT NASA 287 00:10:49,949 --> 00:10:52,251 AND I STILL HAVE GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH. 288 00:10:52,251 --> 00:10:53,686 AND I ALSO HAD THE OPPORTUNITY 289 00:10:53,686 --> 00:10:56,055 TO MENTOR, UH, SEVERAL PEOPLE. 290 00:10:56,055 --> 00:10:58,357 AND I-I WILL SAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, 291 00:10:58,357 --> 00:11:00,126 THIS IS A JOURNEY WE'RE ALL ON 292 00:11:00,126 --> 00:11:01,927 AND, UM... 293 00:11:01,927 --> 00:11:04,196 THERE'S-THERE'S ALWAYS PEOPLE WHO'VE GONE BEFORE YOU, 294 00:11:04,196 --> 00:11:06,165 THERE'S PEOPLE WHO ARE WALKIN' BESIDE YOU, 295 00:11:06,165 --> 00:11:08,267 AND THERE'S PEOPLE WHO ARE COMIN' BEHIND YOU. 296 00:11:08,267 --> 00:11:11,771 AND, UH, I LIKE TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH SOMEONE 297 00:11:11,771 --> 00:11:14,206 IN EVERY ONE OF THOSE CATEGORIES AT ALL TIMES 298 00:11:14,206 --> 00:11:16,042 BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHIN' THAT WE CAN 299 00:11:16,042 --> 00:11:17,877 HELP EACH OTHER WITH AND TO LEARN. 300 00:11:17,877 --> 00:11:19,178 SO, THAT WOULD BE MY ADVICE 301 00:11:19,178 --> 00:11:21,280 TO ANYONE WHO IS LOOKING, UM, 302 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,350 TO GET INTO LEADERSHIP OR TO ADVANCE, 303 00:11:24,350 --> 00:11:27,386 IS TO BUILD YOURSELF A COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE 304 00:11:27,386 --> 00:11:29,155 WHO HAVE GONE BEFORE YOU, 305 00:11:29,155 --> 00:11:32,391 YOUR PEERS WHO ARE-ARE COMIN', UH, BESIDE YOU, 306 00:11:32,391 --> 00:11:35,127 AND THOSE WHO ARE ALSO COMIN' BEHIND YOU. 307 00:11:35,127 --> 00:11:36,128 - THAT'S GREAT. 308 00:11:36,128 --> 00:11:37,696 AND I ALWAYS SAY THAT, UM, 309 00:11:37,696 --> 00:11:39,298 MANY PEOPLE MISS OPPORTUNITIES 310 00:11:39,298 --> 00:11:41,267 BECAUSE-BECAUSE THEY COME DRESSED IN OVERALLS. 311 00:11:41,267 --> 00:11:42,701 THEY LOOK TOO MUCH LIKE WORK. 312 00:11:42,701 --> 00:11:45,337 [laughter] 313 00:11:45,337 --> 00:11:47,206 THAT IS ABSOLUTELY AWESOME. 314 00:11:47,206 --> 00:11:49,208 UH, UH, MIST-- MR. BROWN, 315 00:11:49,208 --> 00:11:51,310 YOU JUMP IN ON THAT QUESTION. 316 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:55,948 [indistinct]. 317 00:11:55,948 --> 00:11:57,716 - SO, UM... 318 00:11:57,716 --> 00:12:00,252 I GUESS I THINK ABOUT REPRESENTATION, 319 00:12:00,252 --> 00:12:03,656 UM, AND IT TAKES ME BACK TO MAYBE A FEW YEARS AGO 320 00:12:03,656 --> 00:12:06,659 WHEN I ACTUALLY WENT TO A CAREER FAIR 321 00:12:06,659 --> 00:12:08,727 AT MY OLD HIGH SCHOOL IN SELMA, 322 00:12:08,727 --> 00:12:09,862 SELMA HIGH SCHOOL. 323 00:12:09,862 --> 00:12:11,697 MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, ALABAMA. 324 00:12:11,697 --> 00:12:14,700 UH, BUT YOU GUYS PROBABLY KNOW IT FROM, YOU KNOW, 325 00:12:14,700 --> 00:12:19,138 THE-THE-THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT AND THE MARCH, UH-- 326 00:12:19,138 --> 00:12:22,007 THE VOTING RIGHTS MOVEMENT AND ALL THAT. 327 00:12:22,007 --> 00:12:24,043 UM, BUT WHEN I WENT THERE, 328 00:12:24,043 --> 00:12:27,546 UM, IT WAS REALLY, UH, 329 00:12:27,546 --> 00:12:29,715 A BUNCH OF BUSINESSES AND THAT SORT OF THING 330 00:12:29,715 --> 00:12:30,916 FROM AROUND THE COMMUNITY. 331 00:12:30,916 --> 00:12:35,554 SO, YOU-YOU PROMINENTLY HAD THE JUCO, 332 00:12:35,554 --> 00:12:38,257 WHICH DISPLAYED ALL OF THE TRADES, 333 00:12:38,257 --> 00:12:40,893 UH, YOU HAD, LIKE, A PAWN SHOP. 334 00:12:40,893 --> 00:12:42,561 YOU HAD BUSH HOG, WHICH IS LIKE 335 00:12:42,561 --> 00:12:43,963 A LOCAL MANUFACTURER. 336 00:12:43,963 --> 00:12:45,865 AND YOU HAD NASA, RIGHT? 337 00:12:45,865 --> 00:12:47,199 ME, SITTIN' THERE WITH 338 00:12:47,199 --> 00:12:50,236 A $200,000 ROCKET ENGINE ON THE TABLE. 339 00:12:50,236 --> 00:12:52,905 UM, AND THE THING 340 00:12:52,905 --> 00:12:56,275 THAT I KINDA NOTICED WAS THAT, 341 00:12:56,275 --> 00:12:59,912 UM, THEY DON'T- THAT WAS THE FIR-- 342 00:12:59,912 --> 00:13:02,615 MY FIRST TIME GOIN' BACK FOR THIS CAREER FAIR 343 00:13:02,615 --> 00:13:04,683 AND FROM WHAT MY TEACHERS-- 344 00:13:04,683 --> 00:13:06,652 MY OLD TEACHERS WERE TELLIN' ME, 345 00:13:06,652 --> 00:13:10,089 IS THAT USUALLY, THAT'S PAR FOR THE COURSE. 346 00:13:10,089 --> 00:13:13,559 AND THOSE KIDS DON'T NECESSARILY GET TO SEE 347 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,596 A VISION OF WHAT THEY COULD BE 348 00:13:17,596 --> 00:13:19,598 OUTSIDE OF THE STUFF THAT THEY SEE 349 00:13:19,598 --> 00:13:21,834 EVERYDAY IN THEIR COMMUNITY. 350 00:13:21,834 --> 00:13:23,903 AND IN SELMA, YOU KNOW, 351 00:13:23,903 --> 00:13:27,139 THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE STUFF WE HAVE UP HERE AT-- 352 00:13:27,139 --> 00:13:29,308 IN HUNTSVILLE WHERE, YOU KNOW, 353 00:13:29,308 --> 00:13:31,777 A LOT OF THE KIDS GO HOME TO-- 354 00:13:31,777 --> 00:13:35,447 TO NASA ENGINEERS AND SEE 'EM EVERYDAY. 355 00:13:35,447 --> 00:13:39,518 UM, UM, AND SO, UM, 356 00:13:39,518 --> 00:13:41,353 IT KIND OF-- IT KIND-- 357 00:13:41,353 --> 00:13:43,656 WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT, I THINK THAT 358 00:13:43,656 --> 00:13:46,325 IN ORDER FOR THOSE KIDS TO BE SOMETHIN' 359 00:13:46,325 --> 00:13:48,794 THAT THEY DON'T SEE, UM, 360 00:13:48,794 --> 00:13:52,398 IT TAKES A LOT OF IMAGINATION AND HARD WORK. 361 00:13:52,398 --> 00:13:56,902 AND THAT CAN BE EXHAUSTING WHEN YOU-- 362 00:13:56,902 --> 00:13:59,438 YOU DON'T HAVE THAT EXAMPLE RIGHT THERE 363 00:13:59,438 --> 00:14:01,707 IN FRONT OF YOU TO FOLLOW. 364 00:14:01,707 --> 00:14:04,743 AND SO, UM, UM, 365 00:14:04,743 --> 00:14:08,147 THAT'S WHY I THINK REPRESENTATION MATTERS. 366 00:14:08,147 --> 00:14:10,649 BECAUSE IT DOES TRANSLATE TO THE WORKPLACE. 367 00:14:10,649 --> 00:14:12,885 IF YOU DON'T SEE THAT EXAMPLE, 368 00:14:12,885 --> 00:14:14,820 IT DOES TAKE A LOT MORE WORK, 369 00:14:14,820 --> 00:14:16,655 A LOT MORE EFFORT, UH, 370 00:14:16,655 --> 00:14:19,291 A LOT MORE IMAGINATION 371 00:14:19,291 --> 00:14:21,627 TO GO FROM WHERE YOU ARE 372 00:14:21,627 --> 00:14:25,764 TO SOMEPLACE OUT THERE, UM, THAT YOU WANNA BE. 373 00:14:25,764 --> 00:14:30,269 UM, AND I GUESS I WOULD ECHO, UH, MISS GORDON'S, UM, ADVICE 374 00:14:30,269 --> 00:14:32,638 IS TO GET MENTORS. 375 00:14:32,638 --> 00:14:34,840 UM, MENTORSHIP IS IMPORTANT. 376 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:35,808 THEY CAN-- 377 00:14:35,808 --> 00:14:37,743 ESPECIALLY SOMEONE THAT'LL BE, UH, 378 00:14:37,743 --> 00:14:39,645 BRUTALLY HONEST WITH YOU. 379 00:14:39,645 --> 00:14:41,714 SO, YEAH. 380 00:14:41,714 --> 00:14:43,015 - I MEAN, I THINK THAT-- I THINK THAT'S GOOD. 381 00:14:43,015 --> 00:14:44,984 UM, YOU KNOW, [INDISTINCT] SAID 382 00:14:44,984 --> 00:14:46,719 VISION IS BEING ABLE TO SEE FURTHER 383 00:14:46,719 --> 00:14:48,554 THAN YOUR EYES CAN LOOK, 384 00:14:48,554 --> 00:14:50,990 UH, AND-AND I THINK THAT IS SO TRUE. 385 00:14:50,990 --> 00:14:52,091 AND EVEN THE OVERALL-- 386 00:14:52,091 --> 00:14:53,892 I THINK THAT'S THOMAS EDISON SAID ABOUT THE OVERALLS. 387 00:14:53,892 --> 00:14:55,494 SO, I-I-- THIS IS GOOD. 388 00:14:55,494 --> 00:14:56,595 I'M-I'M ENJOYING THIS. 389 00:14:56,595 --> 00:14:58,564 HOPE YOU ALL ARE GETTIN' SOMETHIN' OUT OF IT THUS FAR. 390 00:14:58,564 --> 00:15:01,500 UH, DOC-- UH, DR., UH, MOSBY. 391 00:15:01,500 --> 00:15:04,470 HOW ABOUT YOU CH-CHIMIN' IN ON THIS? 392 00:15:04,470 --> 00:15:05,971 - UH, YES. 393 00:15:05,971 --> 00:15:07,206 UM, YOU KNOW, 394 00:15:07,206 --> 00:15:09,275 REPRESENTATION DEFINITELY MATTERS. 395 00:15:09,275 --> 00:15:12,544 UH, YOU KNOW, I-I-I RECALL A TIME 396 00:15:12,544 --> 00:15:15,948 WHEN I WAS A YOUNG MAN, UH, IN HIGH SCHOOL 397 00:15:15,948 --> 00:15:19,051 AND I WAS TRYIN' TO FIGURE OUT 398 00:15:19,051 --> 00:15:20,619 WHICH WAY MY INTEREST 399 00:15:20,619 --> 00:15:23,856 AND-AND-AND WHAT I NEEDED TO FOCUS MY ATTENTION ON, 400 00:15:23,856 --> 00:15:26,392 UM, WAS-- CAME FROM A FAMILY 401 00:15:26,392 --> 00:15:30,362 THAT WAS VERY GIFTED IN-IN TERMS OF ATHLETICISM. 402 00:15:30,362 --> 00:15:32,965 UM, WE WERE ALL EXPECTED TO PLAY FOOTBALL 403 00:15:32,965 --> 00:15:34,500 AND BASKETBALL AND BASEBALL 404 00:15:34,500 --> 00:15:36,168 AND RUN TRACK. 405 00:15:36,168 --> 00:15:39,705 BUT I ALSO CAME FROM A FAMILY THAT HAD 406 00:15:39,705 --> 00:15:41,940 AN EXPECTATION OF GREATNESS. 407 00:15:41,940 --> 00:15:44,710 NOT NECESSARILY LEADERSHIP, BUT GREATNESS. 408 00:15:44,710 --> 00:15:48,347 UM, I HAD GREAT UNCLES THAT WERE TUSKEGEE AIRMEN. 409 00:15:48,347 --> 00:15:50,182 A GREAT UNCLE THAT, UH, 410 00:15:50,182 --> 00:15:53,085 HAD SEVERAL PATENTS AT WESTINGHOUSE AIR BRAKE. 411 00:15:53,085 --> 00:15:55,220 UM, I COME FROM A SMALL TOWN 412 00:15:55,220 --> 00:15:58,791 IN THE, UH, HILLS OF-OF-OF PITTSBURGH, 413 00:15:58,791 --> 00:16:02,594 UH, THAT WAS A STEEL MILL, A COAL MINING TOWN. 414 00:16:02,594 --> 00:16:06,498 UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE TRADES, 415 00:16:06,498 --> 00:16:07,599 THAT WAS IT. 416 00:16:07,599 --> 00:16:09,868 THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT YOU HAD TO DO 417 00:16:09,868 --> 00:16:12,071 UNLESS YOU WERE AN ATHLETE. 418 00:16:12,071 --> 00:16:14,039 UM, A-AND SO, YOU KNOW, 419 00:16:14,039 --> 00:16:17,176 MY GREAT UNCLES A-AND MY MOM AND MY GRANDMOTHER, 420 00:16:17,176 --> 00:16:19,378 WHO WAS A SOCIAL WORKER AT THE TIME, 421 00:16:19,378 --> 00:16:21,513 WANTED ME TO LEAVE THE AREA. 422 00:16:21,513 --> 00:16:24,016 THEY WANTED ME TO GET EXPOSED TO THINGS 423 00:16:24,016 --> 00:16:26,418 AND-AND, UH, YOU KNOW, 424 00:16:26,418 --> 00:16:28,520 IT WAS VERY UNCOMFORTABLE FOR ME, 425 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,323 BEING THIS YOUNG BLACK MAN FROM 426 00:16:31,323 --> 00:16:34,193 A SMALL COAL MINING STEEL MILL TOWN 427 00:16:34,193 --> 00:16:36,328 GOING TO THESE OTHER AREAS 428 00:16:36,328 --> 00:16:39,865 AND-AND SITTING IN THESE CLASSROOMS, 429 00:16:39,865 --> 00:16:42,801 UH, AT THE THESE-- IN THESE COLLEGE TOWNS 430 00:16:42,801 --> 00:16:45,137 AND I'M THE ONLY PERSON OF COLOR. 431 00:16:45,137 --> 00:16:47,373 UM, A-AND SO, YOU KNOW, 432 00:16:47,373 --> 00:16:49,174 I-I WOULD HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS 433 00:16:49,174 --> 00:16:51,777 WITH-WITH MY PARENTS, AND MY MOM SAID, "YOU KNOW WHAT? 434 00:16:51,777 --> 00:16:54,646 YOU NEED TO GET COMFORTABLE WITH BEING UNCOMFORTABLE." 435 00:16:54,646 --> 00:16:58,050 UM, IN ORDER FOR YOU TO BROADEN YOUR HORIZONS, 436 00:16:58,050 --> 00:17:00,285 YOU ARE GONNA HAVE TO GO AND EXPERIENCE 437 00:17:00,285 --> 00:17:02,354 NEW AND DIFFERENT THINGS. 438 00:17:02,354 --> 00:17:04,857 THINGS THAT YOU AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH. 439 00:17:04,857 --> 00:17:07,860 AND SO, YOU KNOW, MY MOM TOOK THAT AS A CHALLENGE 440 00:17:07,860 --> 00:17:10,062 ON-ON-ON HERSELF AS WELL. 441 00:17:10,062 --> 00:17:12,564 YOU KNOW, SHE, UM, 442 00:17:12,564 --> 00:17:14,600 GOT ME ENROLLED IN THE MITE PROGRAM 443 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,935 AT TUSKEGEE, AND SO, YOU KNOW, 444 00:17:16,935 --> 00:17:18,937 MY FIRST TRIP OUTSIDE OF THE STATE 445 00:17:18,937 --> 00:17:21,373 WAS DOWN TO TUSKEGEE, ALABAMA, 446 00:17:21,373 --> 00:17:23,675 UH, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMERTIME 447 00:17:23,675 --> 00:17:26,545 TO GET A MINORITY INTRODUCTION TO ENGINEERING, 448 00:17:26,545 --> 00:17:29,381 AND IT WAS SO EYE-OPENING TO ME. 449 00:17:29,381 --> 00:17:32,618 UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, AT THAT TIME, 450 00:17:32,618 --> 00:17:34,420 IT WAS IN THE MID-80s, 451 00:17:34,420 --> 00:17:36,922 TUSKEGEE HAD JUST OPENED THE, UM, 452 00:17:36,922 --> 00:17:39,391 THE, UH-- THEIR ENGINEERING HALL, 453 00:17:39,391 --> 00:17:40,793 THEIR AEROSPACE ENGINEERING HALL 454 00:17:40,793 --> 00:17:42,661 WAS BRAND NEW, BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. 455 00:17:42,661 --> 00:17:44,830 AND I REMEMBER OUR FIRST CLASS, 456 00:17:44,830 --> 00:17:48,400 THEY HANDED US ALL SCIENTIFIC, UH, UH, CA-- 457 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:49,701 UH, CALCULATORS. 458 00:17:49,701 --> 00:17:51,236 AND I HAD NEVER SEEN A CALCULATOR 459 00:17:51,236 --> 00:17:53,305 WITH TRIGONOMETRIC FUNCTIONS ON IT 460 00:17:53,305 --> 00:17:56,942 AND-AND THEY TAUGHT US HOW TO USE THE CALCULATORS. 461 00:17:56,942 --> 00:17:59,511 AND I REMEMBER GOIN' HOME AND SAYIN' TO MY MOM, I SAID, 462 00:17:59,511 --> 00:18:01,580 "YOU KNOW, UM, 463 00:18:01,580 --> 00:18:04,650 THAT-THAT WAS A COMPLETELY NEW EXPERIENCE TO ME 464 00:18:04,650 --> 00:18:06,718 AND-AND I'M NOT SO SURE THAT 465 00:18:06,718 --> 00:18:08,086 THAT'S SOMETHIN' THAT I WANNA DO, 466 00:18:08,086 --> 00:18:10,589 BECAUSE I-I'M NOT REALLY COMFORTABLE DOIN' IT." 467 00:18:10,589 --> 00:18:12,357 AND AGAIN, SHE REMINDED ME, 468 00:18:12,357 --> 00:18:14,993 "GET COMFORTABLE WITH BEIN' UNCOMFORTABLE. 469 00:18:14,993 --> 00:18:17,830 IT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU ARE GONNA BROADEN YOUR HORIZONS 470 00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:19,832 AND THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GONNA GET BETTER." 471 00:18:19,832 --> 00:18:22,734 AND, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT, MY MOM ENROLLED ME 472 00:18:22,734 --> 00:18:24,736 IN-IN THE INROADS PROGRAM 473 00:18:24,736 --> 00:18:27,506 AND THAT, AGAIN, WAS EYE-OPENING TO ME 474 00:18:27,506 --> 00:18:29,274 BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE FIELDS 475 00:18:29,274 --> 00:18:31,710 THAT WERE REPRESENTED FOR PEOPLE OF COLOR 476 00:18:31,710 --> 00:18:33,579 AT INROADS WERE ACCOUNTING 477 00:18:33,579 --> 00:18:35,514 AND BUSINESS-RELATED FIELDS. 478 00:18:35,514 --> 00:18:38,484 THEY DID NOT HAVE ANY AFRICAN AMERICAN 479 00:18:38,484 --> 00:18:40,686 OR BLACK, UM, REPRESENTATION 480 00:18:40,686 --> 00:18:42,254 IN TERMS OF SCIENCE AND ENGINEERING 481 00:18:42,254 --> 00:18:43,956 IN THE INROADS PROGRAM AT PITTSBURGH. 482 00:18:43,956 --> 00:18:46,758 AND SO, I WAS ONE OF TWO STUDENTS 483 00:18:46,758 --> 00:18:48,994 THAT WERE REALLY INTERESTED IN ENGINEERING 484 00:18:48,994 --> 00:18:52,064 A-AND SO, THE INROADS COORDINATOR CAME TO US AND SAID, 485 00:18:52,064 --> 00:18:53,599 "YOU KNOW, WE ARE TRYIN' OUR BEST 486 00:18:53,599 --> 00:18:55,767 TO-TO MAKE OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOU, 487 00:18:55,767 --> 00:18:58,203 UM, BUT WE'RE NOT SO SURE WE CAN CONNECT YOU." 488 00:18:58,203 --> 00:19:01,039 AND AGAIN, UM, MY PARENTS, UH, 489 00:19:01,039 --> 00:19:03,775 WERE ABLE TO CONNECT THE INROADS COORDINATOR WITH, 490 00:19:03,775 --> 00:19:07,012 UM, WESTINGHOUSE COMMERCIAL NUCLEAR FUELS DIVISION. 491 00:19:07,012 --> 00:19:09,715 AND SO, THAT WAS MY FIRST REAL INTERNSHIP, 492 00:19:09,715 --> 00:19:12,551 UM, AT-AT THIS COMMERCIAL NUCLEAR FUELS DIVISION 493 00:19:12,551 --> 00:19:13,819 AT WESTINGHOUSE. 494 00:19:13,819 --> 00:19:17,389 AND SO, I-I SAID ALL THAT TO SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, 495 00:19:17,389 --> 00:19:19,458 SOMETIMES IT'S NOT NECESSARILY 496 00:19:19,458 --> 00:19:21,260 A LEADER THAT INFLUENCES YOU, 497 00:19:21,260 --> 00:19:23,262 SOMETIMES IT'S YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS 498 00:19:23,262 --> 00:19:25,464 THAT ARE TRYIN' TO PUSH YOU TOWARDS GREATNESS. 499 00:19:25,464 --> 00:19:27,633 UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE, 500 00:19:27,633 --> 00:19:29,468 WHEN THEY THINK ABOUT MENTORSHIPS, 501 00:19:29,468 --> 00:19:31,970 THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED, 502 00:19:31,970 --> 00:19:33,705 SOMEBODY THAT'S ALREADY ENROLLED. 503 00:19:33,705 --> 00:19:35,674 BUT YOUR MENTORS CAN ALSO BE THE PEOPLE 504 00:19:35,674 --> 00:19:37,776 THAT ARE AROUND YOU THAT WANNA PUSH YOU 505 00:19:37,776 --> 00:19:39,378 TOWARDS BEIN' UNCOMFORTABLE 506 00:19:39,378 --> 00:19:41,713 AND PUSH YOU TOWARDS EXPANDING YOUR HORIZONS. 507 00:19:41,713 --> 00:19:42,915 - ABSOLUTELY. 508 00:19:42,915 --> 00:19:44,316 I-- DR. MOSBY, THAT-THAT'S GOOD. 509 00:19:44,316 --> 00:19:45,484 I-I-- IT-- 510 00:19:45,484 --> 00:19:47,719 I'M REMINDED WHEN I FIRST TOOK OVER THE CHAMBER AS, UH, 511 00:19:47,719 --> 00:19:49,955 VICE CHAIR OF THE, UH, DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION, 512 00:19:49,955 --> 00:19:51,857 UH, AND LOUCIOUS WAS AT THAT MEETIN'. 513 00:19:51,857 --> 00:19:54,159 AND I SAID, "EVERYBODY, 514 00:19:54,159 --> 00:19:56,762 WE MUST GET COMFORTABLE BEIN' UNCOMFORTABLE." 515 00:19:56,762 --> 00:19:58,063 AND IT'S SO TRUE. 516 00:19:58,063 --> 00:20:00,032 AND MY-MY-MY FRIEND, LES BROWN, 517 00:20:00,032 --> 00:20:02,935 FRIEND OF MINE, LES SAYS, "GREATNESS IS IN YOU." 518 00:20:02,935 --> 00:20:04,202 AND DOC ROCK SAYS, 519 00:20:04,202 --> 00:20:05,904 "IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME WORK TO GET IT OUT OF US." 520 00:20:05,904 --> 00:20:07,406 ABSOLUTELY. 521 00:20:07,406 --> 00:20:09,975 UM, I-I WANT JUST, UH, NEXT WITH, UH, UH, 522 00:20:09,975 --> 00:20:11,577 DOCTOR-DOCTOR-- DR. ODOM. 523 00:20:11,577 --> 00:20:13,779 UM, AND IT'S A SEPARATE QUESTION. 524 00:20:13,779 --> 00:20:15,480 YOU KNOW, OUR THEME FOR THIS MONTH 525 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,616 INCLUDES THE WORD "IDENTITY," RIGHT? 526 00:20:17,616 --> 00:20:20,986 UH, WE KNOW YOU HAVE DONE SOME EXTENSIVE, UM, RESEARCH 527 00:20:20,986 --> 00:20:23,522 ON AFRICAN AMERICAN IDENTITY IN STEM. 528 00:20:23,522 --> 00:20:27,659 HOW CAN YOU SHARE WITH US A FEW HISTORIC FACTS 529 00:20:27,659 --> 00:20:29,828 ABOUT AFRICAN AMERICANS 530 00:20:29,828 --> 00:20:32,064 WHO PAVED THE WAY HERE, UH, 531 00:20:32,064 --> 00:20:33,799 AT THE MARSHALL FLIGHT SPACE CENTER? 532 00:20:33,799 --> 00:20:35,534 CAN YOU CHIME IN ON THAT, DR. ODOM? 533 00:20:35,534 --> 00:20:36,635 - YEAH. THANKS, DOC ROCK. 534 00:20:36,635 --> 00:20:38,003 I-I-I THINK YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. 535 00:20:38,003 --> 00:20:39,972 SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, THOUGH, 536 00:20:39,972 --> 00:20:41,607 THIS REPRESENTATION AND MENTORSHIP, 537 00:20:41,607 --> 00:20:43,342 YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE 538 00:20:43,342 --> 00:20:45,010 OF TALKING TO OVER THE YEARS 539 00:20:45,010 --> 00:20:47,179 WITH-WITH THESE PROJECTS WERE, YOU KNOW, 540 00:20:47,179 --> 00:20:49,915 WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO-TO, YOU KNOW, 541 00:20:49,915 --> 00:20:52,517 GO TO A HISTORICALLY BLACK COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITY 542 00:20:52,517 --> 00:20:55,220 AND THEN STEP ON, UH-- ON CAMPUS HERE AT MARSHALL 543 00:20:55,220 --> 00:20:58,790 IN 1963, '64, OR '67. 544 00:20:58,790 --> 00:21:00,626 YOU KNOW, AND THE FACT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, 545 00:21:00,626 --> 00:21:02,327 JAMES JENNINGS, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, 546 00:21:02,327 --> 00:21:04,830 JAMES HAS SHARED A LOT OF THINGS WITH ME OVER THE YEARS, 547 00:21:04,830 --> 00:21:06,365 BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, HE TALKED ABOUT 548 00:21:06,365 --> 00:21:07,566 THE FIRST TIME HE'D EVER ENTERED 549 00:21:07,566 --> 00:21:09,067 AN ALL-WHITE ENVIRONMENT, RIGHT? 550 00:21:09,067 --> 00:21:10,769 HE GREW UP IN DANVILLE, ALABAMA 551 00:21:10,769 --> 00:21:12,771 WHERE IT WAS, YOU KNOW, TIGHT SEGREGATION 552 00:21:12,771 --> 00:21:15,007 IN A RURAL AREA AND HE, YOU KNOW, 553 00:21:15,007 --> 00:21:16,842 JUST, HIS WHOLE WORLD WAS SEGREGATED. 554 00:21:16,842 --> 00:21:18,310 AND-AND WHEN HE SHOWS UP AT MARSHALL, 555 00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:20,646 IT'S THE FIRST TIME EVER THAT WASN'T THE CASE. 556 00:21:20,646 --> 00:21:22,681 UH, SO, YOU KNOW, HE'S-HE'S WALKIN' IN 557 00:21:22,681 --> 00:21:24,750 AS AN INTERN FROM ALABAMA A&M 558 00:21:24,750 --> 00:21:26,652 IN 1967, YOU KNOW, 559 00:21:26,652 --> 00:21:28,854 SCRAMBLIN' TO FIND SOMEONE TO-- 560 00:21:28,854 --> 00:21:31,156 YOU KNOW, TO TELL HIM WHAT'S GOIN' ON HERE, 561 00:21:31,156 --> 00:21:32,691 YOU KNOW, AND-AND-AND HE TALKED ABOUT THAT, 562 00:21:32,691 --> 00:21:34,026 THAT, YOU KNOW, IT-- 563 00:21:34,026 --> 00:21:35,427 HOPEFULLY IT'S DIFFERENT, UH, A LI-- 564 00:21:35,427 --> 00:21:37,095 A BIT DIFFERENT TODAY, BUT JUST THAT IDEA 565 00:21:37,095 --> 00:21:38,363 OF FINDING A MENTOR. 566 00:21:38,363 --> 00:21:41,133 AND, YOU KNOW, JAMES WAS ABLE TO LEARN FROM PEOPLE 567 00:21:41,133 --> 00:21:45,037 LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, CLYDE FOSTER. 568 00:21:45,037 --> 00:21:47,339 YOU KNOW, CLYDE FOSTER WAS SOMEBODY AT MARSHALL 569 00:21:47,339 --> 00:21:49,341 WHO PAVED THE WAY FOR MANY PEOPLE 570 00:21:49,341 --> 00:21:51,743 AND-AND-AND OPENED DOORS FOR, YOU KNOW, 571 00:21:51,743 --> 00:21:53,679 TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES AND THAT SORT OF THING. 572 00:21:53,679 --> 00:21:55,914 BUT JAMES ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, 573 00:21:55,914 --> 00:21:57,549 UH, UH, YOU KNOW, 574 00:21:57,549 --> 00:21:59,484 CLYDE WOULD PULL HIM BEHIND THE SCENES AND SAY, 575 00:21:59,484 --> 00:22:01,019 YOU KNOW, "LISTEN, YOUNG MAN. 576 00:22:01,019 --> 00:22:02,821 I GOTTA T-- I GOTTA TELL YOU SOMETHIN' HERE." 577 00:22:02,821 --> 00:22:04,656 AND-AND TO BE ABLE TO BE A-- TO TR-- 578 00:22:04,656 --> 00:22:06,091 YOU KNOW, TO HAVE SOMEONE TO TRUST, THAT IS. 579 00:22:06,091 --> 00:22:08,093 SO, I THINK JAMES, BUT CLYDE FOSTER ALSO. 580 00:22:08,093 --> 00:22:10,095 THIS, YOU KNOW, WHERE DID THIS-- 581 00:22:10,095 --> 00:22:11,563 WHERE DOES THIS MENTORSHIP TOUCH 582 00:22:11,563 --> 00:22:13,065 AND WHERE DOES IT NOT TOUCH, YOU KNOW? 583 00:22:13,065 --> 00:22:15,200 I-IN THE 1960, IT TOUCHED EVERYTHING. 584 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,269 IT TOUCHED SOCIAL INTERACTIONS. 585 00:22:17,269 --> 00:22:19,171 YOU KNOW, JUST THIS IDEA THAT-- 586 00:22:19,171 --> 00:22:21,073 YOU KNOW, HE'S-HE'S IN AN ALL-WHITE ENVIRONMENT, 587 00:22:21,073 --> 00:22:22,908 SO, YOU KNOW, IS JAMES AS AN INTERN 588 00:22:22,908 --> 00:22:25,544 GONNA GET INVITED TO-TO TALK TO THE PLACES 589 00:22:25,544 --> 00:22:27,713 AND-AND ENTER THE SPACES WHERE 590 00:22:27,713 --> 00:22:29,381 YOU WOULD MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS 591 00:22:29,381 --> 00:22:30,716 THAT WOULD ADVANCE YOU FORWARD. 592 00:22:30,716 --> 00:22:32,484 AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, 593 00:22:32,484 --> 00:22:34,619 CLYDE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TELLING HIM OVER THE YEARS 594 00:22:34,619 --> 00:22:37,222 AND EVEN AFTER HE CAME BACK IN THE EARLY '70s 595 00:22:37,222 --> 00:22:39,024 HAS THAT BEEN-- YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THAT PROGRAM. 596 00:22:39,024 --> 00:22:40,692 RICHARD HALL AND DELANO HYDER, 597 00:22:40,692 --> 00:22:43,929 UH, YOU KNOW, AND-AND THESE FOLKS 598 00:22:43,929 --> 00:22:46,098 WHO-WHO BUILT A NETWORK AT A TIME AT MARSHALL, 599 00:22:46,098 --> 00:22:47,399 I MEAN, LET'S NOT FORGET IT, 600 00:22:47,399 --> 00:22:49,534 THIS ISN'T THE STORY OF PILGRIM'S PROGRESS HERE. 601 00:22:49,534 --> 00:22:51,903 THINGS DIDN'T JUST AUTOMATICALLY GET BETTER, 602 00:22:51,903 --> 00:22:53,138 UH, YOU KNOW. THAT-- AND THAT'S 603 00:22:53,138 --> 00:22:55,407 PART OF THAT DIFFICULT CONVERSATION TO HAVE, RIGHT? 604 00:22:55,407 --> 00:22:56,541 - THAT'S RIGHT. - UH, YOU KNOW, 605 00:22:56,541 --> 00:22:58,176 IN-IN-- WHEN CH-- WHEN GERARD-- 606 00:22:58,176 --> 00:23:02,047 WHEN, UH, JAMES COMES ON SITE HERE IN 19, YOU KNOW, 67, 607 00:23:02,047 --> 00:23:05,083 THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A-A-A S-- A-A-A LARGE NUMBER 608 00:23:05,083 --> 00:23:06,818 OF WHAT WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT IS DIVERSITY, RIGHT? 609 00:23:06,818 --> 00:23:08,253 WITHOUT INCLUSION, OBVIOUSLY. 610 00:23:08,253 --> 00:23:09,721 BUT THERE'S-THERE'S SOME DIVERSITY. 611 00:23:09,721 --> 00:23:12,157 BUT BY THE TIME YOU GET TO 1973, 612 00:23:12,157 --> 00:23:14,326 THERE ARE ONLY 86 AFRICAN AMERICANS 613 00:23:14,326 --> 00:23:16,094 EMPLOYED AT THE ENTIRE CENTER. 614 00:23:16,094 --> 00:23:17,729 YOU KNOW, AND POST-APOLLO. 615 00:23:17,729 --> 00:23:20,398 I MEAN, SO, SO, THIS IS KINDA FEW AND FAR BETWEEN, 616 00:23:20,398 --> 00:23:22,567 BUT, UH-- BUT JUST-- SO, I THINK THAT'S A-- 617 00:23:22,567 --> 00:23:23,702 THAT'S A CRITICAL PIECE OF IT, 618 00:23:23,702 --> 00:23:24,936 BUT WE CAN-- YOU KNOW, 619 00:23:24,936 --> 00:23:28,807 OBVIOUSLY, THE-- THESE-- THE-THE-- 620 00:23:28,807 --> 00:23:30,509 UH, FROM AN IDENTITY STANDPOINT 621 00:23:30,509 --> 00:23:31,977 AND THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE SPOKEN WITH 622 00:23:31,977 --> 00:23:34,012 AND-AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY SHARED WITH US 623 00:23:34,012 --> 00:23:36,148 IS JUST-- IT'S INC-- IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT 624 00:23:36,148 --> 00:23:38,250 AND-AND AS A-- AS A WHITE HISTORIAN 625 00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:40,318 ENTERING THAT WORLD, RIGHT? IF SOMEBODY IS, YOU KNOW-- 626 00:23:40,318 --> 00:23:42,320 W-- YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN I SAY ABOUT THIS 627 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:43,655 AND WHAT CAN I SHARE WITH IT, YOU KNOW? 628 00:23:43,655 --> 00:23:45,991 BUT IT-IT'S-IT'S INTERESTING TO KNOW 629 00:23:45,991 --> 00:23:47,626 WHAT YOU TAKE FOR GRANTED. 630 00:23:47,626 --> 00:23:48,894 AT-- YOU KNOW, IN THAT CONTEXT. 631 00:23:48,894 --> 00:23:50,695 AND THAT'S WHY THE MENTORSHIP ACROSS, 632 00:23:50,695 --> 00:23:52,364 YOU KNOW, A-A-A-- YOU KNOW, A-A-A-- 633 00:23:52,364 --> 00:23:53,799 ACROSS RACE, ACROSS SEX, 634 00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:55,700 ACROSS, YOU KNOW, WHAT-- IT IS SO IMPORTANT. 635 00:23:55,700 --> 00:23:57,202 AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT 636 00:23:57,202 --> 00:23:59,271 LOUCIOUS AND HIS TEAM HAVE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF, 637 00:23:59,271 --> 00:24:01,373 AND THAT'S WHAT LOUCIOUS TALKS AT THE BEGINNING, RIGHT? 638 00:24:01,373 --> 00:24:03,975 THIS-THIS THE-- THIS, UH, BLACK HISTORY MONTH PANEL 639 00:24:03,975 --> 00:24:06,378 ISN'T-- YOU KNOW, I-IT'S NOT INTENDED FOR, 640 00:24:06,378 --> 00:24:08,346 YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, "LET'S JUST-- 641 00:24:08,346 --> 00:24:10,682 LET'S-LET'S HAVE A CLOSED SESSION HERE." 642 00:24:10,682 --> 00:24:13,218 THIS IS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, INVITING, UH, PEOPLE 643 00:24:13,218 --> 00:24:15,120 TO HAVE THESE DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS 644 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:17,589 AND OPEN THOSE SPACES THAT JAMES JENNINGS 645 00:24:17,589 --> 00:24:20,625 HAD SUCH A TOUGH-- A TOUGH TIME IN 1967. 646 00:24:20,625 --> 00:24:22,594 SO, I COULD RUN ON AND ON ABOUT THAT, 647 00:24:22,594 --> 00:24:26,064 BUT I THINK THAT-- THAT'S-THAT'S GOOD. 648 00:24:26,064 --> 00:24:27,566 - WELL, I-I THANK YOU. 649 00:24:27,566 --> 00:24:29,835 AND, UH-- AND-AND EVEN AS A-A-A-- AS A-- AS A-- 650 00:24:29,835 --> 00:24:31,903 AS A WHITE MAN DOIN' THE RESEARCH, 651 00:24:31,903 --> 00:24:34,272 UH, AND HAVIN', UH, A PASSION 652 00:24:34,272 --> 00:24:37,175 AND A DESIRE TO LEARN THOSE THINGS, 653 00:24:37,175 --> 00:24:39,511 UH, TELL YOU WHERE WE CAN GO, 654 00:24:39,511 --> 00:24:41,346 WH-WHAT WE CAN BE, AND, UH, 655 00:24:41,346 --> 00:24:43,415 AND I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU 656 00:24:43,415 --> 00:24:45,250 FOR YOUR HEART AND-AND-AND DOIN' THAT 657 00:24:45,250 --> 00:24:47,686 AND I APPRECIATE YOU. APPRECIATE YOU. 658 00:24:47,686 --> 00:24:50,088 THIS NEXT QUESTION IS FOR EVERYONE. 659 00:24:50,088 --> 00:24:51,756 UM, AND, YOU KNOW, 660 00:24:51,756 --> 00:24:54,092 WE HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS, SO, LET'S SAY, LIKE, 661 00:24:54,092 --> 00:24:55,994 THREE TO FOUR MINUTES, 'CAUSE THERE'S FOUR OF US. 662 00:24:55,994 --> 00:24:58,230 SO, IT GOES-- AND-AND-AND BY FOUR-- 663 00:24:58,230 --> 00:25:00,365 BY FOUR MINUTES, UH, WITH THIS QUESTION 664 00:25:00,365 --> 00:25:02,133 AND THEN WE'LL TRY TO GET TO THE NEXT ONE. 665 00:25:02,133 --> 00:25:04,002 AND THIS IS A BROAD QUESTION, 666 00:25:04,002 --> 00:25:07,806 BUT TELL ME, WHAT DOES DIVERSITY MEAN TO YOU? 667 00:25:07,806 --> 00:25:09,808 NOW, WE KNOW WE HAVE NASA'S DEFINITION. 668 00:25:09,808 --> 00:25:12,210 WE HAVE LOUCIOUS THAT-THAT-THAT SAY 669 00:25:12,210 --> 00:25:14,346 "DOC, WE GOTTA GET A DEFINITION. 670 00:25:14,346 --> 00:25:15,814 THIS IS OUR DEFINITION." 671 00:25:15,814 --> 00:25:17,649 AND-AND WE UNDERSTAND THE DEFINITION. 672 00:25:17,649 --> 00:25:20,986 BUT WHAT DOES DIVERSITY MEAN TO YOU 673 00:25:20,986 --> 00:25:22,120 AS AN INDIVIDUAL. 674 00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:24,089 AND, UH, MR. BROWN, WE'LL START WITH YOU. 675 00:25:28,226 --> 00:25:31,663 - SO, UH, DIVERSITY IS TRICKY. 676 00:25:31,663 --> 00:25:33,131 IT'S ALSO SOMETHIN' I TALK ABOUT 677 00:25:33,131 --> 00:25:35,867 WITH MY FRIENDS AND OTHER CONTACTS A LOT. 678 00:25:35,867 --> 00:25:39,037 LIKE, WE TALK ABOUT IT IN THE CONTEXT OF CHURCH A LOT. 679 00:25:39,037 --> 00:25:44,009 AND, UM, THE THING THAT I ALWAYS GET TO 680 00:25:44,009 --> 00:25:47,412 IS THAT THERE'S THIS SUPERFICIAL DIVERSITY 681 00:25:47,412 --> 00:25:51,349 AND THERE'S, LIKE, SOME REAL DIVERSITY, YOU KNOW? 682 00:25:51,349 --> 00:25:55,153 AND I USE THE ANALOGY OF FROOT LOOPS VERSUS SALSA. 683 00:25:55,153 --> 00:25:56,288 YOU KNOW? 684 00:25:56,288 --> 00:25:57,756 YOU EVER HAVE FROOT LOOPS, 685 00:25:57,756 --> 00:25:59,257 BUNCH OF DIFFERENT COLORS IN THERE, 686 00:25:59,257 --> 00:26:00,959 BUT IT ALL TASTES THAT SAME. 687 00:26:00,959 --> 00:26:04,429 THAT IS THIS KINDA SUPERFICIAL DIVERSITY. 688 00:26:04,429 --> 00:26:08,099 AND I GUESS IT, UH-- IT-IT, UH, YOU KNOW-- 689 00:26:08,099 --> 00:26:10,101 IT TRANSLATES TO THE WORKPLACE 690 00:26:10,101 --> 00:26:13,638 AND YOU HIRE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT TYPE OF PEOPLE 691 00:26:13,638 --> 00:26:15,140 FROM ALL OVER THE PLACE, 692 00:26:15,140 --> 00:26:17,842 BUT YOU HAVE A-A CULTURE THAT'S SO RIGID 693 00:26:17,842 --> 00:26:20,679 THAT YOU JUST EXPECT THEM 694 00:26:20,679 --> 00:26:24,582 TO COME INTO YOUR CULTURE AND BE JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. 695 00:26:24,582 --> 00:26:26,952 THERE'S NO FREE EXPECT-- EXPRESSION. 696 00:26:26,952 --> 00:26:29,721 PEOPLE DON'T-DON'T, YOU KNOW-- 697 00:26:29,721 --> 00:26:31,990 THERE USED TO BE A TIME WHERE 698 00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:34,492 THE BIGGEST AMOUNT OF REBELLION YOU WOULD HAVE 699 00:26:34,492 --> 00:26:36,294 IN WHAT YOU WEAR TO WORK WAS WEARING 700 00:26:36,294 --> 00:26:38,563 COLORFUL BRIGHT SOCKS, RIGHT? 701 00:26:38,563 --> 00:26:40,799 AND THOSE WERE HIDDEN UNDER THE TABLE. 702 00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:44,502 UM, AND-- VERSUS A DIVERSITY 703 00:26:44,502 --> 00:26:46,638 THAT'S MORE LIKE SALSA, YOU KNOW? 704 00:26:46,638 --> 00:26:49,407 YOU GOT YOUR TOMATOES, YOUR PEPPERS, YOUR ONIONS, 705 00:26:49,407 --> 00:26:50,709 AND YOUR CILANTRO. 706 00:26:50,709 --> 00:26:52,744 AND IF YOU PUT CILANTRO IN SALSA, 707 00:26:52,744 --> 00:26:55,046 YOU'RE GONNA TASTE IT, YOU KNOW? 708 00:26:55,046 --> 00:26:56,348 IT DOESN'T HIDE. 709 00:26:56,348 --> 00:26:59,150 AND THAT'S A DIVERSITY WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME IN 710 00:26:59,150 --> 00:27:00,919 AND THEY CAN BE THEMSELVES 711 00:27:00,919 --> 00:27:04,255 AND THEY CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE IN THE SPACE. 712 00:27:04,255 --> 00:27:07,125 AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UM, 713 00:27:07,125 --> 00:27:09,761 UM, I DON'T WANT TO GO ALL SHOP, 714 00:27:09,761 --> 00:27:11,830 BUT, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT CODE SWITCHING 715 00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:13,498 AND-AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF 716 00:27:13,498 --> 00:27:15,266 WHERE PEOPLE TALK DIFFERENTLY AT HOME 717 00:27:15,266 --> 00:27:18,303 THAN THEY DO IN A PROFESSIONAL SETTING. 718 00:27:18,303 --> 00:27:20,438 AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S-- 719 00:27:20,438 --> 00:27:22,941 AND I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME PEOPLE 720 00:27:22,941 --> 00:27:25,310 THAT DON'T REALLY DO THAT ALL SO WELL, 721 00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:27,145 BUT THEY'RE SUPER BRIGHT PEOPLE 722 00:27:27,145 --> 00:27:29,647 AND THEY MAY NOT GET THE OPPORTUNITIES 723 00:27:29,647 --> 00:27:31,816 BECAUSE A, THEY TALK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT 724 00:27:31,816 --> 00:27:33,551 OR THEY DRESS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 725 00:27:33,551 --> 00:27:35,286 AND TO ME, THAT'S NOT REAL DIVERSITY. 726 00:27:35,286 --> 00:27:37,455 I THINK YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE 727 00:27:37,455 --> 00:27:38,990 A JUDGMENT-FREE ENVIRONMENT 728 00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:41,526 WHERE YOU'RE REALLY JUST JUDGING PEOPLE ON 729 00:27:41,526 --> 00:27:43,828 THEIR MERITS AND HOW WELL THEY DO THEIR WORK. 730 00:27:43,828 --> 00:27:46,998 AND I THINK THAT IF WE CONTINUE TO WORK TOWARDS THAT, 731 00:27:46,998 --> 00:27:50,468 THAT'LL BE A TRUE DIVERSE SPACE. 732 00:27:50,468 --> 00:27:51,603 - THAT'S GOOD. 733 00:27:51,603 --> 00:27:52,971 ABSOLUTELY. I-I-I AGREE. 734 00:27:52,971 --> 00:27:55,707 I THINK THAT'S A GREAT ANALOGY OF-OF-OF THAT, 735 00:27:55,707 --> 00:27:58,710 UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WHOLE KEY, 736 00:27:58,710 --> 00:28:02,981 IS JUDGIN' A PERSON BASED ON WHAT THEY CAN DO, 737 00:28:02,981 --> 00:28:04,582 UH, AND NOT ANYTHING ELSE. 738 00:28:04,582 --> 00:28:06,785 UM, B-- M-- DR. MOSBY, 739 00:28:06,785 --> 00:28:09,587 UH, CHAT ME ON THIS ONE. 740 00:28:09,587 --> 00:28:11,790 - YEAH, SO, UM, 741 00:28:11,790 --> 00:28:15,960 JUST KINDA PIGGYBACKIN' ON WHAT-WHAT ARTHUR HAD MENTIONED. 742 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,030 YOU KNOW, THE DIVERSITY IS SOMETHIN' 743 00:28:19,030 --> 00:28:21,599 THAT YOU HAVE TO BE DELIBERATE ABOUT. 744 00:28:21,599 --> 00:28:25,036 UM, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SALSA ANALOGY. 745 00:28:25,036 --> 00:28:28,073 YOU'RE DELIBERATE ABOUT PICKING THE TOMATOES 746 00:28:28,073 --> 00:28:29,607 AND PUTTING THEM IN THE BLENDER 747 00:28:29,607 --> 00:28:31,409 AND GETTING THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF SALS-- 748 00:28:31,409 --> 00:28:32,744 THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF CILANTRO, 749 00:28:32,744 --> 00:28:34,112 THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF ONIONS. 750 00:28:34,112 --> 00:28:36,548 AND SO, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, 751 00:28:36,548 --> 00:28:38,583 ESPECIALLY IN MY INDUSTRY, 752 00:28:38,583 --> 00:28:41,686 UH, AN-AN-AND IN MY DIVISION, 753 00:28:41,686 --> 00:28:45,056 WE TRY TO BE VERY DELIBERATE ABOUT, 754 00:28:45,056 --> 00:28:46,991 UM, THE WAY WE RECRUIT, 755 00:28:46,991 --> 00:28:48,860 WHERE WE RECRUIT FROM. 756 00:28:48,860 --> 00:28:51,796 UM, THE PROJECTS THAT WE ASSIGN INDIVIDUALS 757 00:28:51,796 --> 00:28:54,299 TO TRY TO-TO-TO EXPAND THEIR BOUNDARIES 758 00:28:54,299 --> 00:28:56,968 AND DEVELOP THEM INTO, UM, LEADERS 759 00:28:56,968 --> 00:29:00,338 A-AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, OPERATIONAL EXPERTS. 760 00:29:00,338 --> 00:29:03,608 UM, BUT TO ME, DIVERSITY, UM, 761 00:29:03,608 --> 00:29:06,644 IS REALLY ABOUT CULTURAL INTELLIGENCE. 762 00:29:06,644 --> 00:29:08,580 YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZING THAT 763 00:29:08,580 --> 00:29:10,582 YOU HAVE PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS 764 00:29:10,582 --> 00:29:13,384 THAT HAVE DIFFERENT WAYS OF LOOKING AT THINGS 765 00:29:13,384 --> 00:29:15,720 AND DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING BUSINESS, 766 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,956 DIFFERENT WAYS OF SOLVING PROBLEMS, 767 00:29:17,956 --> 00:29:20,225 DIFFERENT WAYS OF THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX 768 00:29:20,225 --> 00:29:22,127 TO BRING FORWARD SOLUTIONS. 769 00:29:22,127 --> 00:29:24,696 UM, YOU KNOW, OUR ENVIRONMENT SPACE 770 00:29:24,696 --> 00:29:26,431 IS VERY DYNAMIC. 771 00:29:26,431 --> 00:29:29,701 UM, AND WE HAVE NEW CHALLENGES 772 00:29:29,701 --> 00:29:31,569 THAT POP UP EVERY DAY, 773 00:29:31,569 --> 00:29:33,705 NEW ISSUES THAT POP UP DAILY. 774 00:29:33,705 --> 00:29:35,006 AND SO, YOU KNOW, 775 00:29:35,006 --> 00:29:38,510 IF WE ARE TO SERVICE A DIVERSE COMMUNITY-- 776 00:29:38,510 --> 00:29:40,211 UM, WE HAVE PRINCIPLE INVESTIGATORS 777 00:29:40,211 --> 00:29:41,880 FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. 778 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,649 WHY WOULD OUR WORKFORCE NOT LOOK LIKE THOSE CUSTOMERS 779 00:29:44,649 --> 00:29:46,584 AND THOSE CLIENTS THAT WE'RE SERVICING? 780 00:29:46,584 --> 00:29:49,154 AND SO, WE'RE TRYIN' TO BE VERY DELIBERATE ABOUT THAT. 781 00:29:49,154 --> 00:29:51,156 AND, YOU KNOW, UM, 782 00:29:51,156 --> 00:29:54,492 I-I TOO KNOW JAMES JENNINGS. 783 00:29:54,492 --> 00:29:56,094 UH, HE-HE'S MY FRAT BROTHER 784 00:29:56,094 --> 00:29:57,829 AND-AND I REMEMBER 785 00:29:57,829 --> 00:29:59,931 BEFORE I GOT MY FIRST JOB AT NASA, 786 00:29:59,931 --> 00:30:03,434 I MET JAMES IN A HOTEL IN BIRMINGHAM 787 00:30:03,434 --> 00:30:05,537 IN THE LOBBY, UM, 788 00:30:05,537 --> 00:30:07,305 AT A FRATERNITY FUNCTION 789 00:30:07,305 --> 00:30:09,207 AND HE HANDED ME HIS BUSINESS CARD 790 00:30:09,207 --> 00:30:11,176 AND I SAW IT AND-AND I SAID, "OH, MY GOODNESS. 791 00:30:11,176 --> 00:30:14,445 THIS GUY'S A DIRECTOR AT NASA." 792 00:30:14,445 --> 00:30:16,681 AND, UM, IT-IT-- 793 00:30:16,681 --> 00:30:18,650 AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF US GATHERED AROUND 794 00:30:18,650 --> 00:30:21,352 AND-AND JAMES WAS TELLIN' US, YOU KNOW, THE STORIES. 795 00:30:21,352 --> 00:30:24,856 AND-AND HE SAID "THIS IS-- THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. 796 00:30:24,856 --> 00:30:26,691 THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO FOCUS ON." 797 00:30:26,691 --> 00:30:30,261 AND-AND SO, AGAIN, BEING DELIBERATE. 798 00:30:30,261 --> 00:30:31,729 YOU-YOU'RE OUT THERE, 799 00:30:31,729 --> 00:30:34,265 YOU'RE-YOU'RE BEING A ROLE MODEL. 800 00:30:34,265 --> 00:30:35,533 YOU'RE BEING A RECRUITER. 801 00:30:35,533 --> 00:30:37,302 YOU'RE BEIN' AN AMBASSADOR. 802 00:30:37,302 --> 00:30:39,170 YOU ARE TRYING TO BRING 803 00:30:39,170 --> 00:30:41,339 THOSE INGREDIENTS FORWARD 804 00:30:41,339 --> 00:30:43,875 SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE THIS GOOD SALSA. 805 00:30:43,875 --> 00:30:45,510 - SIRI, TURN ON MY MICROPHONE. 806 00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:47,312 - THAT-THAT-THAT'S-- THIS IS GOING WELL. 807 00:30:47,312 --> 00:30:49,314 I DO WANNA, UH, ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO, UH, 808 00:30:49,314 --> 00:30:50,748 DROP SOME COMMENTS IN-IN THE-- IN THE-- 809 00:30:50,748 --> 00:30:52,383 IN THE CHAT B-- UH, BOX. 810 00:30:52,383 --> 00:30:55,753 AND, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, MR. BROWN GOT-- 811 00:30:55,753 --> 00:30:57,522 - SIRI, TURN ON MY iPHONE. 812 00:30:57,522 --> 00:30:59,724 - I THINK THIS IS GOING REALLY, REALLY WELL. 813 00:30:59,724 --> 00:31:03,094 IF EVERYBODY MIND MUTING-MUTING THEIR, UM, CAMERA, UH-- 814 00:31:13,504 --> 00:31:15,306 - DR. WATKINS, YOU'RE MUTED. 815 00:31:15,306 --> 00:31:16,241 - I'M SORRY. 816 00:31:16,241 --> 00:31:17,141 UM, DOCTOR-- 817 00:31:17,141 --> 00:31:18,876 UM, I WAS MUTED THE WHOLE TIME, WOW. 818 00:31:18,876 --> 00:31:20,712 OKAY, THIS IS GOING WELL. 819 00:31:20,712 --> 00:31:23,047 UH, THANK Y'ALL. 820 00:31:23,047 --> 00:31:25,416 LISTEN, IF YOU DON'T MIND, UH, 821 00:31:25,416 --> 00:31:28,553 WE GOT SOME GREAT PEOPLE, UH, ON-ON-ON WITH US. 822 00:31:28,553 --> 00:31:30,989 WON'T YOU DROP SOME COMMENTS IN THE CHAT BOX? 823 00:31:30,989 --> 00:31:32,757 WE'D LOVE TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. 824 00:31:32,757 --> 00:31:34,726 UH, AND THIS-THIS IS GOOD. 825 00:31:34,726 --> 00:31:36,961 GREAT COMMENTS, UM, FROM YOU, 826 00:31:36,961 --> 00:31:38,263 DOC-- UH, DR. MOSBY. 827 00:31:38,263 --> 00:31:41,699 WE'RE ON THIS THING ABOUT, UH, SAUCES AND CILANTRO. 828 00:31:41,699 --> 00:31:44,369 UM, AND I-- AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT ANALOGY. 829 00:31:44,369 --> 00:31:45,703 AND MATTER OF FACT, UH, DR. BROWN, 830 00:31:45,703 --> 00:31:48,806 I NEVER HEARD THAT ANALOGY UNTIL-UNTIL TODAY. 831 00:31:48,806 --> 00:31:50,608 UH, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY GOOD. 832 00:31:50,608 --> 00:31:52,644 UH, DR. ODOM, WON'T YOU, UH, J-- 833 00:31:52,644 --> 00:31:55,413 UH, JUMP IN AND, UH-- ON THIS? 834 00:31:55,413 --> 00:31:56,314 - SURE. 835 00:31:56,314 --> 00:31:57,782 I-I THINK, YOU KNOW, LOOKIN' BACK, OBVIOUSLY, 836 00:31:57,782 --> 00:31:59,284 IT'S-IT'S A BIT, YOU KNOW, IT'S-- 837 00:31:59,284 --> 00:32:00,885 YOU THINK IT WOULD BE A BIT DIFFERENT, 838 00:32:00,885 --> 00:32:02,453 BUT OBVIOUSLY, IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME. 839 00:32:02,453 --> 00:32:04,455 SO, WHAT DID DIVERSITY MEAN IN THE 1960s, 840 00:32:04,455 --> 00:32:06,190 WHAT DOES IT MEAN TODAY? 841 00:32:06,190 --> 00:32:07,692 UH, I THINK IN THE 1960s, 842 00:32:07,692 --> 00:32:09,994 DIVERSITY HAD A LOT MORE TO DO WITH, UH, 843 00:32:09,994 --> 00:32:12,096 YOU KNOW, UH, GETTING WHERE YOU NEEDED TO BE, 844 00:32:12,096 --> 00:32:15,233 LEGALLY COMPLIANT IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN CONTRACTS 845 00:32:15,233 --> 00:32:16,868 IN THE CONTRACTING WORLD. 846 00:32:16,868 --> 00:32:18,870 AND SO, HOW DO WE PRODUCE THE RIGHT NUMBERS, 847 00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:20,271 AND THAT SORT OF THING, 848 00:32:20,271 --> 00:32:22,140 WHICH I THINK IS A-A SHAM OF, YOU KNOW, 849 00:32:22,140 --> 00:32:23,641 WHAT DIVERSITY REALLY MEANS, 850 00:32:23,641 --> 00:32:25,343 'CAUSE I THINK IT GOES BACK TO WHAT, 851 00:32:25,343 --> 00:32:28,112 UH, DR. MOSBY WAS SAYIN' ABOUT CULTURAL INTELLIGENCE, RIGHT? 852 00:32:28,112 --> 00:32:30,181 AND HOW YOU'RE TRYIN' TO SOLVE NEW PROBLEMS 853 00:32:30,181 --> 00:32:31,516 AND NEW CHALLENGES. 854 00:32:31,516 --> 00:32:32,850 AND THAT'S WHAT NASA'S TRYIN' TO DO. 855 00:32:32,850 --> 00:32:35,153 THINGS THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE. 856 00:32:35,153 --> 00:32:37,622 AND YOU CAN'T LOOK TO ONE SEGMENT OF A POPULATION 857 00:32:37,622 --> 00:32:40,291 TO TELL YOU WHAT THE ANSWER TO THAT'S GONNA BE, RIGHT? 858 00:32:40,291 --> 00:32:43,061 UH, BUT-- YOU KNOW, SO, SO, THAT'S NOT DIVERSITY, 859 00:32:43,061 --> 00:32:44,762 YOU KNOW, DIVER-- THAT'S WHAT DIVERSITY IS 860 00:32:44,762 --> 00:32:47,498 AND WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN THE '60s WAS NOT. 861 00:32:47,498 --> 00:32:50,034 I THINK-- BUT THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT IS SO IMPORTANT 862 00:32:50,034 --> 00:32:51,869 IS THE INCLUSION PART OF IT AS WELL, 863 00:32:51,869 --> 00:32:53,137 AND WE-- WE'LL GET TO THAT. 864 00:32:53,137 --> 00:32:54,739 BUT, YOU KNOW, DIVERSITY WITHOUT INCLUSION 865 00:32:54,739 --> 00:32:57,175 IS-IS THE SAME THING AS IT WAS IN THE '60s, RIGHT? 866 00:32:57,175 --> 00:32:58,509 IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, 867 00:32:58,509 --> 00:33:00,278 DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE HERE? 868 00:33:00,278 --> 00:33:01,245 WHAT-- ONE OF THE-- 869 00:33:01,245 --> 00:33:03,081 ONE OF THE LESSONS YOU CAN TAKE AWAY FROM-- 870 00:33:03,081 --> 00:33:04,649 YOU KNOW, THE MOVIE "HIDDEN FIGURES" I THINK IS 871 00:33:04,649 --> 00:33:07,385 INSTRUCTIVE FOR A DIFFERENT REASON THAN MOST PEOPLE SEE. 872 00:33:07,385 --> 00:33:08,519 YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, 873 00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:10,121 THERE WERE AFRICAN AMERICANS WORKIN' AT LANGLEY, 874 00:33:10,121 --> 00:33:11,723 BUT THEY WERE ALL COLLECTED INTO 875 00:33:11,723 --> 00:33:13,658 ONE PIECE OF THE PUZZLE, RIGHT? 876 00:33:13,658 --> 00:33:16,461 AND KATHERINE JOHNSON JUST HAPPEN TO, YOU KNOW, UH, 877 00:33:16,461 --> 00:33:19,063 WORK HER WAY HARDER THAN ANYBODY ELSE HAD TO 878 00:33:19,063 --> 00:33:21,132 TO GET OUT OF THAT-- THAT-- OR-OR, TO MAIN-- 879 00:33:21,132 --> 00:33:22,834 TO-TO BRIDGE THAT GAP. 880 00:33:22,834 --> 00:33:24,469 UH, YOU KNOW, AT-AT MARSHALL, 881 00:33:24,469 --> 00:33:26,304 IT WAS A COMPUTATIONAL LABORATORY. 882 00:33:26,304 --> 00:33:27,405 YOU KNOW, JAMES JENNINGS, 883 00:33:27,405 --> 00:33:29,207 EVERYBODY WORKED IN THE COMP LAB, 884 00:33:29,207 --> 00:33:31,376 UH, IN A-- IN A SIMILAR FASHION, RIGHT? 885 00:33:31,376 --> 00:33:33,277 SO, IT WAS-- IT WASN'T DIVERSITY. 886 00:33:33,277 --> 00:33:35,480 THERE WERE-- THERE WERE CERTAIN NUMBERS IN ONE PLACE, 887 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,582 BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT WHAT YOU HAVE TO TODAY 888 00:33:37,582 --> 00:33:39,317 AND THE-- AND THE STRIDES THAT PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN 889 00:33:39,317 --> 00:33:40,651 AND THE FIGHTS THAT'RE THERE. 890 00:33:40,651 --> 00:33:42,053 I MEAN, I-- WE TALK ABOUT JAMES 891 00:33:42,053 --> 00:33:44,422 AND HOW IMPORTANT HE IS IN-IN TELLING, YOU KNOW, 892 00:33:44,422 --> 00:33:46,190 TELLING DR. MOSBY ABOUT THE LESSONS 893 00:33:46,190 --> 00:33:48,059 THAT HE TOOK AWAY FROM CLYDE FOSTER. 894 00:33:48,059 --> 00:33:50,328 SO, THERE'S THIS GENERATIONAL MENTORSHIP 895 00:33:50,328 --> 00:33:52,764 THAT'S HAPPENING IN THERE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, 896 00:33:52,764 --> 00:33:54,265 THAT WE COULD SAY THE SAME THING, THOUGH, 897 00:33:54,265 --> 00:33:56,167 ABOUT ELAINE FLOWERS DUNCAN, 898 00:33:56,167 --> 00:33:57,869 YOU KNOW, SHEILA NASH-STEVENSON, 899 00:33:57,869 --> 00:33:59,871 RUTH JONES, BOBBY WATKINS, 900 00:33:59,871 --> 00:34:02,206 YOU KNOW, UH, A-A-ALL OF THESE FOLKS, YOU KNOW, 901 00:34:02,206 --> 00:34:03,808 THAT-THAT THEY'RE THERE TODAY 902 00:34:03,808 --> 00:34:06,544 AND-AND WHAT THAT MEANS FOR-FOR THE RIGHT PEOPLE. 903 00:34:06,544 --> 00:34:08,413 YOU KNOW, FOR-FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE 904 00:34:08,413 --> 00:34:10,047 NOT ONLY A SEAT AT THE TABLE, 905 00:34:10,047 --> 00:34:11,983 BUT TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK ONCE THEY GET THERE, 906 00:34:11,983 --> 00:34:13,951 WHICH I THINK IS-IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT, 907 00:34:13,951 --> 00:34:15,820 AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ON EVERYBODY 908 00:34:15,820 --> 00:34:18,322 TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S MAINTAINED. 909 00:34:18,322 --> 00:34:19,457 YOU KNOW, LET'S GO BACK TO THE OTHER-- 910 00:34:19,457 --> 00:34:22,126 THE OTHER THING TO GO BACK TO WHAT, UH, UH, ARTHUR WAS SAYING. 911 00:34:22,126 --> 00:34:23,928 YOU KNOW, I-IF YOU HAVE DIVERSITY 912 00:34:23,928 --> 00:34:25,430 AND IT'S JUST ABOUT CONFORM-- 913 00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:27,398 THEN IT'S JUST ABOUT CONFORMITY, RIGHT? 914 00:34:27,398 --> 00:34:29,233 YOU SAY, "OKAY, EVERYBODY NOW BE THIS." 915 00:34:29,233 --> 00:34:30,601 YOU KNOW? AND THAT'S-- 916 00:34:30,601 --> 00:34:32,770 IS THAT SOLVING THE-- THOSE COMPLEX PROBLEMS? 917 00:34:32,770 --> 00:34:34,372 NO, NOT AT ALL. 918 00:34:34,372 --> 00:34:35,273 - YEAH. 919 00:34:35,273 --> 00:34:36,240 AND THAT-- AND THAT-- AND THAT'S TRUE. 920 00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:37,575 AND, YOU KNOW, AND WHEN PEOPLE-- 921 00:34:37,575 --> 00:34:39,977 TO ME, WHEN PEOPLE DOUBT DIVERSITY 922 00:34:39,977 --> 00:34:41,979 AND I-IS IT IMPORTANT, THEN, YOU KNOW, 923 00:34:41,979 --> 00:34:43,080 WE'RE TALKING NUMBERS. 924 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,415 THE NUMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. 925 00:34:44,415 --> 00:34:46,451 UH, RESEARCH SAYS, AND MOST OF Y'ALL KNOW THIS, 926 00:34:46,451 --> 00:34:48,453 THAT WHEN COMPANIES ARE MORE DIVERSE-- 927 00:34:48,453 --> 00:34:49,754 AND NOT JUST ETHNICALLY, 928 00:34:49,754 --> 00:34:52,290 FROM AN ETHNIC POINT OF VIEW AND RACE POINT OF VIEW-- 929 00:34:52,290 --> 00:34:55,092 BUT WHEN IT'S DIVERSE FROM ALL POINTS OF VIEW, 930 00:34:55,092 --> 00:34:56,994 PRODUCTIVITY IS HIGHER. 931 00:34:56,994 --> 00:34:58,896 I MEAN, IT IS NO DOUBT 932 00:34:58,896 --> 00:35:01,499 THAT A-A COMPANY THAT HAS-- UNDERSTAND DIVERSITY 933 00:35:01,499 --> 00:35:05,736 AND EMBRACE IT, UH, IS A BETTER COMPANY. 934 00:35:05,736 --> 00:35:08,105 UH, BUT, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, AND WE-- 935 00:35:08,105 --> 00:35:10,174 LET'S HEAR THE WORDS OF WISDOM FROM, UM, 936 00:35:10,174 --> 00:35:12,443 MRS. GORDON ON THIS TOPIC. 937 00:35:12,443 --> 00:35:15,179 WHAT-WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO YOU? 938 00:35:15,179 --> 00:35:16,914 - SO, SO, WHEN I THINK ABOUT DIVERSITY, 939 00:35:16,914 --> 00:35:20,151 I THINK ABOUT A CULTURE OF "AND" RATHER THAN "OR." 940 00:35:20,151 --> 00:35:22,753 I THINK, UM, AS A CULTURE AND A SOCIETY, 941 00:35:22,753 --> 00:35:26,357 WE HAVE REALLY MADE EVERYTHING ABOUT "CHOOSE A SIDE." 942 00:35:26,357 --> 00:35:28,860 YOU'RE EITHER THIS SIDE OR THAT SIDE 943 00:35:28,860 --> 00:35:30,094 WHEN THERE'S REALLY, UH-- 944 00:35:30,094 --> 00:35:33,097 THERE'S ROOM ENOUGH FOR EVERYONE AND ALL INPUT 945 00:35:33,097 --> 00:35:35,800 AND, UM, SO, I THINK IF, YOU KNOW, 946 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,369 IMPROVING DIVERSITY HELPS US GET TO A POSITION 947 00:35:38,369 --> 00:35:41,405 WHERE WE CAN PUT "AND" IN THE SCENARIO 948 00:35:41,405 --> 00:35:42,907 MORE SO THAN "OR." 949 00:35:42,907 --> 00:35:46,043 AND WHEN WE DO THAT, WE REMOVE, UM, DEFENSIVENESS 950 00:35:46,043 --> 00:35:47,879 AND THE NEED FOR CONFRONTATION 951 00:35:47,879 --> 00:35:49,981 AND-AND WE BRING IN, UH, 952 00:35:49,981 --> 00:35:51,883 MORE OF A CULTURE OF COLLABORATION 953 00:35:51,883 --> 00:35:54,519 AND, UM, YOU KNOW, INCLUSIVENESS, 954 00:35:54,519 --> 00:35:56,187 WHICH IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, 955 00:35:56,187 --> 00:35:58,289 THE-THE POINT OF BEIN' DIVERSE IS 956 00:35:58,289 --> 00:36:01,092 IS TO INCLUDE ALL OF THOSE POINTS OF VIEWS. 957 00:36:01,092 --> 00:36:03,728 SO, UM, IF WE COULD GET TO A CULTURE OF "AND," 958 00:36:03,728 --> 00:36:07,031 I THINK THAT'S A-A-- A HUGE STEP FOR US. 959 00:36:07,031 --> 00:36:08,566 - WOW, RHEGA, THAT IS POWERFUL. 960 00:36:08,566 --> 00:36:10,601 UM, AND I THINK I'M GONNA DEVELOP A TEACHIN' 961 00:36:10,601 --> 00:36:13,304 AND I'MMA CALL IT "AND/OR." 962 00:36:13,304 --> 00:36:15,439 [laughs] YOU KNOW? 963 00:36:15,439 --> 00:36:18,576 UH, JUST BECAUSE-- I-I MEAN, "AND, AND NOT OR." 964 00:36:18,576 --> 00:36:21,946 BECAUSE I THINK WE DO "AND" AND NOT "OR" 965 00:36:21,946 --> 00:36:24,916 JUST IS-- THE DEFENSE IS DOWN, 966 00:36:24,916 --> 00:36:26,517 IT'S NOT ABOUT REPLACIN' ANYONE, 967 00:36:26,517 --> 00:36:28,286 IT'S NOT ABOUT TAKIN' ANYTHING FROM ANYONE, 968 00:36:28,286 --> 00:36:30,254 IT'S ABOUT ADDING TO 969 00:36:30,254 --> 00:36:31,789 THE FLAVOR OF THE CONVERSATION, 970 00:36:31,789 --> 00:36:33,758 THE FLAVOR O-OF-OF THE DAY, 971 00:36:33,758 --> 00:36:36,894 AND THAT IS AN AWESOME, AWESOME, UM, TAKE ON THAT. 972 00:36:36,894 --> 00:36:38,296 OKAY, LET'S-LET'S-- LET'S MOVE ON. 973 00:36:38,296 --> 00:36:39,497 LET'S MOVE ON. 974 00:36:39,497 --> 00:36:42,033 UM, INCLUSION IS NASA'S 975 00:36:42,033 --> 00:36:46,137 FIFTH NEW CORE VALUE. 976 00:36:46,137 --> 00:36:48,406 HOW ARE YOU AS A LEADER 977 00:36:48,406 --> 00:36:51,375 FOSTERING AN INCLUSIVE ENVIRONMENT 978 00:36:51,375 --> 00:36:52,910 IN YOUR ORGANIZATION? 979 00:36:52,910 --> 00:36:54,178 YOU, AS A LEADER. 980 00:36:54,178 --> 00:36:55,313 YOU KNOW, HOW ARE YOU, UH, 981 00:36:55,313 --> 00:36:57,682 FOSTERIN' THAT INCLUSIVE ENVIRONMENT 982 00:36:57,682 --> 00:36:59,317 IN YOUR ORGANIZATION? 983 00:36:59,317 --> 00:37:02,420 AND, UM, LET'S-LET'S-LET'S START WITH DR. MOSBY. 984 00:37:07,959 --> 00:37:09,493 YOU'RE MUTED, DOCTOR. - OKAY, SORRY ABOUT THAT. 985 00:37:09,493 --> 00:37:11,562 UM... 986 00:37:11,562 --> 00:37:13,431 YEAH, I GUESS YOU'D GIVE ME THE HARDEST QUESTION, HUH? 987 00:37:13,431 --> 00:37:16,534 - I DID-- WELL, YOU KNOW... 988 00:37:16,534 --> 00:37:19,904 - YEAH, SO-SO, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, UM, 989 00:37:19,904 --> 00:37:22,273 IT-IT'S ONE THING TO-- 990 00:37:22,273 --> 00:37:24,609 TO HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE, 991 00:37:24,609 --> 00:37:26,210 BUT IT'S ANOTHER THING 992 00:37:26,210 --> 00:37:28,546 TO BE ASKED TO SHARE YOUR OPINION. 993 00:37:28,546 --> 00:37:32,149 IT'S ANOTHER THING TO BE ASKED TO LEAD A-A PROJECT. 994 00:37:32,149 --> 00:37:34,785 AND SO, UM, AS A LEADER, 995 00:37:34,785 --> 00:37:37,388 YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, I DO 996 00:37:37,388 --> 00:37:39,223 ALONG WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, 997 00:37:39,223 --> 00:37:41,459 THE OTHER SENIOR LEADERS IN OUR MANAGEMENT TEAM 998 00:37:41,459 --> 00:37:45,262 IS, AGAIN, WE'RE VERY DELIBERATE ABOUT 999 00:37:45,262 --> 00:37:48,332 ASSIGNING PROJECTS AND GROOMING PERSONNEL 1000 00:37:48,332 --> 00:37:49,934 AND ASSIGNING TRAINING 1001 00:37:49,934 --> 00:37:52,303 AND GIVIN' PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY, 1002 00:37:52,303 --> 00:37:55,439 UM, TO TAKE THESE SMALL MANAGEMENT ROLES 1003 00:37:55,439 --> 00:37:57,108 OR THESE LEADERSHIP ROLES. 1004 00:37:57,108 --> 00:37:59,010 ANOTHER THING THAT WE'VE DONE IS 1005 00:37:59,010 --> 00:38:02,279 WE'VE IMPLEMENTED DETAILS WITHIN OUR ORGANIZATION 1006 00:38:02,279 --> 00:38:05,082 TO ALLOW, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE AT DIFFERENT LEVELS 1007 00:38:05,082 --> 00:38:09,153 TO SHADOW OR SPEND TIME WITH THESE OTHER LEADERS 1008 00:38:09,153 --> 00:38:10,688 IN THESE OTHER AREAS 1009 00:38:10,688 --> 00:38:12,757 SO THAT THEY CAN GET SOME EXPOSURE. 1010 00:38:12,757 --> 00:38:16,761 UM, TO ME, UM, THE-THE INCLUSION, 1011 00:38:16,761 --> 00:38:19,296 TO ME, IS ABOUT-- IT'S NOT ONLY ABOUT, 1012 00:38:19,296 --> 00:38:22,033 YOU KNOW, UM, BRINGING DIFFERENT-DIFFERENT PEOPLE 1013 00:38:22,033 --> 00:38:24,168 AND-AND-AND CULTURES TOGETHER, 1014 00:38:24,168 --> 00:38:26,904 BUT IT'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UM, 1015 00:38:26,904 --> 00:38:29,006 HAVING THEM PARTICIPATE. 1016 00:38:29,006 --> 00:38:30,408 AND WHEN I MEAN PARTICIPATE, 1017 00:38:30,408 --> 00:38:32,576 I MEAN CONTRIBUTE TO THE MISSION. 1018 00:38:32,576 --> 00:38:36,213 AND WHEN I SAY CONTRIBUTE, I MEAN THIS IS YOUR PIECE, 1019 00:38:36,213 --> 00:38:37,682 IT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE, 1020 00:38:37,682 --> 00:38:39,784 WE ARE EXPECTING YOU TO LEAD IT. 1021 00:38:39,784 --> 00:38:43,788 UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, UM, 1022 00:38:43,788 --> 00:38:46,557 PART OF THE-- PART OF THE DIVERSITY IS-- 1023 00:38:46,557 --> 00:38:48,759 IS THE RECRUITING AND, YOU KNOW, 1024 00:38:48,759 --> 00:38:51,128 ONE OF THE-- ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I DID, 1025 00:38:51,128 --> 00:38:53,998 UM, WHEN I MOVED INTO A MANAGEMENT ROLE, 1026 00:38:53,998 --> 00:38:55,566 UH, AT MARSHALL WAS 1027 00:38:55,566 --> 00:38:59,303 I HELPED BRING IN THE LARGEST MOST DIVERSE CLASS 1028 00:38:59,303 --> 00:39:01,405 OF PAYLOAD OPERATIONS DIRECTORS. 1029 00:39:01,405 --> 00:39:02,940 UM, AND WE-- AGAIN, 1030 00:39:02,940 --> 00:39:05,176 WE WERE VERY DELIBERATE ABOUT THAT. 1031 00:39:05,176 --> 00:39:09,447 UM, AND-AND, UM, THOSE INDIVIDUALS, 1032 00:39:09,447 --> 00:39:12,149 NOW THAT THEY'RE ON THEIR PATH TO CERTIFYING, 1033 00:39:12,149 --> 00:39:14,819 WE'RE DELIBERATE ABOUT ASSIGNING THEM ROLES. 1034 00:39:14,819 --> 00:39:17,254 WE'RE DELIBERATE ABOUT HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE. 1035 00:39:17,254 --> 00:39:19,690 WE'RE DELIBERATE ABOUT SETTING PERFORMANCE OBJECTIVES 1036 00:39:19,690 --> 00:39:21,826 TO SET THEM UP FOR SUCCESS. 1037 00:39:21,826 --> 00:39:24,829 UM, THOSE THINGS, TO ME, ARE IMPORTANT 1038 00:39:24,829 --> 00:39:27,732 TO HELP ENFORCE THE INCLUSIVE PART. 1039 00:39:27,732 --> 00:39:30,201 UM, AND THEN, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I DO, 1040 00:39:30,201 --> 00:39:32,870 WHICH, YOU KNOW, MAY NOT SEEM BIG, 1041 00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:34,739 BUT WHEN WE'RE IN MEETINGS 1042 00:39:34,739 --> 00:39:36,073 AND WE HAVE CONTROL BOARDS 1043 00:39:36,073 --> 00:39:37,908 AND WE HAVE TECHNICAL DISCUSSIONS, 1044 00:39:37,908 --> 00:39:40,978 I ALWAYS ASK FOR THIS PERSON'S OPINION 1045 00:39:40,978 --> 00:39:42,413 OR I WILL SAY, 1046 00:39:42,413 --> 00:39:44,749 "HEY, DO WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM THIS GROUP? 1047 00:39:44,749 --> 00:39:47,017 I WOULD LIKE TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS." 1048 00:39:47,017 --> 00:39:48,619 UM, YOU KNOW? 1049 00:39:48,619 --> 00:39:51,355 AND SO, THAT IS ANOTHER WAY OF, AGAIN, 1050 00:39:51,355 --> 00:39:53,791 OF TRYING TO INVOLVE INDIVIDUALS 1051 00:39:53,791 --> 00:39:56,393 AND-AND HELP THEM COME TO THE FOREFRONT, 1052 00:39:56,393 --> 00:39:59,764 MAKE THEM FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH SHARING THEIR-THEIR WORDS, 1053 00:39:59,764 --> 00:40:02,199 THEIR OPINIONS, THEIR THOUGHTS, THEIR ACTIONS. 1054 00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:04,668 UM, A-AND SO, THAT-- THOSE ARE ONE OF THE PRACTICE-- 1055 00:40:04,668 --> 00:40:08,205 THAT'S ONE OF THE PRACTICES THAT I-I TRY TO-TO IN-INFLUENCE 1056 00:40:08,205 --> 00:40:11,041 AND PUT IN PLACE, BECAUSE AS A LEADER, 1057 00:40:11,041 --> 00:40:13,310 YOU HAVE TO PRACTICE 1058 00:40:13,310 --> 00:40:16,580 AND BE THAT BEHAVIOR THAT YOU WANT MODELED. 1059 00:40:16,580 --> 00:40:18,616 - RIGHT. - YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT. 1060 00:40:18,616 --> 00:40:20,351 - THAT'S AWESOME. GREAT. 1061 00:40:20,351 --> 00:40:22,186 AND THAT-THAT IS-- THAT IS SO TRUE. 1062 00:40:22,186 --> 00:40:23,788 AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU ARE-- 1063 00:40:23,788 --> 00:40:26,524 AND I TELL PEOPLE, IT MUST BE ON PURPOSE. 1064 00:40:26,524 --> 00:40:28,526 IT MUST BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DOIN' ON PURPOSE. 1065 00:40:28,526 --> 00:40:31,028 IT'S NOT JUST GONNA ORGANICALLY HAPPEN. 1066 00:40:31,028 --> 00:40:32,496 IT HAS TO BE ON PURPOSE. 1067 00:40:32,496 --> 00:40:33,898 UH, THAT'S GOOD. 1068 00:40:33,898 --> 00:40:36,033 MISS GORDON, WOULD YOU, UH, UH, 1069 00:40:36,033 --> 00:40:38,869 COME IN ON THIS QUESTION? 1070 00:40:38,869 --> 00:40:40,304 - YEAH. 1071 00:40:40,304 --> 00:40:42,506 SO, UM, TOTALLY AGREE THAT, UM, 1072 00:40:42,506 --> 00:40:44,441 ONE-- THE MAIN THING WE HAVE TO START WITH 1073 00:40:44,441 --> 00:40:46,110 IS MODELING IT, LIVING IT, 1074 00:40:46,110 --> 00:40:48,379 UM, FROM THE TOP. 1075 00:40:48,379 --> 00:40:51,615 BUT, UM, ON-ONCE WE HAVE THAT INCORPORATED, 1076 00:40:51,615 --> 00:40:54,018 UM, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO EMPOWER THE EMPLOYEES. 1077 00:40:54,018 --> 00:40:55,386 SO, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE 1078 00:40:55,386 --> 00:40:57,521 IN OUR ORGANIZATION, WE, UM, 1079 00:40:57,521 --> 00:40:59,790 FORMED AN EMPLOYEE FOCUS, UH, TEAM 1080 00:40:59,790 --> 00:41:02,293 THAT IS ON DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION 1081 00:41:02,293 --> 00:41:05,095 AND IT'S EMPLOYEE-RUN, IT'S EMPLOYEE-LEAD, 1082 00:41:05,095 --> 00:41:08,299 AND, UH, THEY-THEY MEET AND IT'S A V-- 1083 00:41:08,299 --> 00:41:10,467 IT'S VOLUNTEERS WHO-- FROM OUR ORGANIZATION 1084 00:41:10,467 --> 00:41:12,236 WHO COME TOGETHER AND THEY MEET TOGETHER 1085 00:41:12,236 --> 00:41:14,705 AND COME UP WITH WAYS THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE 1086 00:41:14,705 --> 00:41:18,008 THAT WE KEEP DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION IN FRONT OF US. 1087 00:41:18,008 --> 00:41:21,378 UM, MUCH LIKE WE DID SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND-- 1088 00:41:21,378 --> 00:41:22,847 WITH SAFETY, 1089 00:41:22,847 --> 00:41:24,615 WE MADE SURE THAT SAFETY WAS A PART OF 1090 00:41:24,615 --> 00:41:26,383 ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THAT WE DID. 1091 00:41:26,383 --> 00:41:28,586 UH, YOU KNOW, IT-IT-IT'S JUST-- 1092 00:41:28,586 --> 00:41:29,920 IT'S A NATURAL TO US NOW, 1093 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,822 THAT WE ALWAYS ARE THINKIN' ABOUT SAFETY. 1094 00:41:31,822 --> 00:41:34,425 AND, UM, WE JUST HAVE TO INFUSE 1095 00:41:34,425 --> 00:41:37,094 DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION INTO EVERYTHING THAT WE DO, 1096 00:41:37,094 --> 00:41:38,896 UM, AS WELL. WE-- FROM THE HIRING 1097 00:41:38,896 --> 00:41:41,265 TO THE AWARDS TO THE PROMOTIONS 1098 00:41:41,265 --> 00:41:43,000 TO OPPORTUNITIES TO DO DETAILS 1099 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,268 TO SHADOWING. 1100 00:41:44,268 --> 00:41:46,003 ALL OF THOSE THINGS, UM, 1101 00:41:46,003 --> 00:41:47,271 WE JUST HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, 1102 00:41:47,271 --> 00:41:49,907 MAKE DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION INFUSED INTO THAT. 1103 00:41:49,907 --> 00:41:52,209 AND ONE OF THE GREAT WAYS TO DO THAT IS TO, YOU KNOW, 1104 00:41:52,209 --> 00:41:53,577 LET THE EMPLOYEES BE INVOLVED 1105 00:41:53,577 --> 00:41:55,779 BECAUSE THEY ARE ON THE GROUND, 1106 00:41:55,779 --> 00:41:57,915 UM, EXECUTING EVERYDAY 1107 00:41:57,915 --> 00:42:00,217 AND THEY SEE, UH, DIFFERENT AREAS 1108 00:42:00,217 --> 00:42:02,086 WHERE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, BE MORE INTENTIONAL 1109 00:42:02,086 --> 00:42:03,354 AND MAKE IT HAPPEN, SO. 1110 00:42:03,354 --> 00:42:05,756 THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO IN OUR ORGANIZATION. 1111 00:42:05,756 --> 00:42:07,258 - THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S GREAT. 1112 00:42:07,258 --> 00:42:11,195 UM, MR. BROWN, DO YOU HAVE A-A COMMENT ON THIS ONE? 1113 00:42:11,195 --> 00:42:13,097 - UH, JUST A QUICK ONE. 1114 00:42:13,097 --> 00:42:16,100 I DON'T HAVE ANY SECRET SAUCE TO, UH, INCLUSION, 1115 00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:19,370 BUT I WILL SAY THAT I STARTED OFF IN LEADERSHIP 1116 00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:21,472 WORKIN' IN THE CHIEF ENGINEER'S OFFICE 1117 00:42:21,472 --> 00:42:24,241 AND THE IMPORTANT THING ABOUT THAT ROLE 1118 00:42:24,241 --> 00:42:27,745 WAS MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAD A SPACE 1119 00:42:27,745 --> 00:42:30,080 AND FELT SAFE TO SAY, UH, 1120 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,649 THE THINGS THAT WERE ON THEIR MINDS. 1121 00:42:31,649 --> 00:42:34,919 IT'S-IT'S-- UH, PEOPLE HAVE TO BE HEARD. 1122 00:42:34,919 --> 00:42:39,089 AND-AND WHEN WE DON'T LISTEN TO EVERYONE 1123 00:42:39,089 --> 00:42:41,258 AND HEAR THEIR OPINIONS, 1124 00:42:41,258 --> 00:42:42,960 OR EVEN IF THEY'RE SHY, I CALL ON 'EM 1125 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,995 AND-AND TEASE IT OUT OF THEM, 1126 00:42:44,995 --> 00:42:47,831 BUT YOU CAN MISS SOMETHING REALLY IMPORTANT. 1127 00:42:47,831 --> 00:42:51,769 AND, UH, IF YOU, UH, WORK EVERYDAY 1128 00:42:51,769 --> 00:42:54,872 ON TRYIN' TO ESTABLISH A-A CULTURE 1129 00:42:54,872 --> 00:42:57,474 WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMFORTABLE TO SPEAK OUT 1130 00:42:57,474 --> 00:43:00,144 WHEN THEY SEE A PROBLEM OR HAVE A PROBLEM, 1131 00:43:00,144 --> 00:43:03,914 THEN, UH, WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, ANY JUDGMENT, 1132 00:43:03,914 --> 00:43:08,252 THEN, UM, THEN I THINK YOU-YOU'RE MOVIN' IT-- 1133 00:43:08,252 --> 00:43:10,220 MOVIN' THE MARK MORE TOWARDS, UH, 1134 00:43:10,220 --> 00:43:11,889 A MORE INCLUSIVE ENVIRONMENT. 1135 00:43:11,889 --> 00:43:12,990 - THAT'S GOOD. 1136 00:43:12,990 --> 00:43:15,726 I-I-I-I STRONGLY FEEL WE MUST PROVIDE, UH, 1137 00:43:15,726 --> 00:43:17,461 AN ENVIRONMENT, A CULTURE OF, UH-- 1138 00:43:17,461 --> 00:43:19,730 THERE-THERE'S A-- THERE'S A SAFE SPACE, 1139 00:43:19,730 --> 00:43:22,032 UH, IN ORDER TO GROW. 1140 00:43:22,032 --> 00:43:24,234 'CAUSE I-I BELIEVE THAT, UH, INCLUSION, 1141 00:43:24,234 --> 00:43:26,470 DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION, EQUITY IS SOMETHIN' 1142 00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:28,339 THAT WE-WE ARE GROWING IN. 1143 00:43:28,339 --> 00:43:30,641 WE-- AND WE MUST KEEP GROWING. 1144 00:43:30,641 --> 00:43:33,310 AND WE CAN'T GROW WITHOUT BEIN', UH, BEIN' SAFE, 1145 00:43:33,310 --> 00:43:35,179 FEELIN' SAFE TO-TO GROW. 1146 00:43:35,179 --> 00:43:38,015 I-I WANNA, UH, UH, KINDA PIVOT HERE. 1147 00:43:38,015 --> 00:43:41,919 ANOTHER QUESTION I WANNA ACTUALLY ASK DR. ODOM, UH, 1148 00:43:41,919 --> 00:43:45,155 IF YOU DON'T MIND, DISCUSS HOW STEM ENGAGEMENT 1149 00:43:45,155 --> 00:43:49,059 WORKED WITH ALABAMA A&M DURIN' THE APOLLO ERA. 1150 00:43:49,059 --> 00:43:52,663 DISCUSS, UH, THE ROLE OF ALABAMA A&M PRESIDENT 1151 00:43:52,663 --> 00:43:56,100 DR. RICHARD MORRISON IN DEVELOPING A STEM CURRICULUM 1152 00:43:56,100 --> 00:43:58,902 IN RESPONSE TO FEDERAL FUNDING FOR THE SPACE PROGRAM. 1153 00:43:58,902 --> 00:44:00,871 CAN YOU COMMENT ON THAT? 1154 00:44:00,871 --> 00:44:03,007 - OH, MAN, I COULD COMMENT ON THAT ONE FOR ALL DAY. 1155 00:44:03,007 --> 00:44:04,141 HOW MUCH TIME WE GOT? 1156 00:44:04,141 --> 00:44:05,309 [laughter] 1157 00:44:05,309 --> 00:44:07,511 - [INDISTINCT]. 1158 00:44:07,511 --> 00:44:10,080 - I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT-WHAT, UH-- 1159 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,750 WHAT DR. MORRISON WAS FACIN' IN 1963 1160 00:44:12,750 --> 00:44:16,053 WHEN HE BECAME PRESIDENT AT ALABAMA A&M WAS EXTENSIVE. 1161 00:44:16,053 --> 00:44:18,188 YOU KNOW, WE FORGET ABOUT THAT CONTEXT SOMETIMES 1162 00:44:18,188 --> 00:44:19,690 IN THINKIN' ABOUT APOLLO, 1163 00:44:19,690 --> 00:44:21,725 IS THAT APOLLO DIRECTLY COINCIDED WITH 1164 00:44:21,725 --> 00:44:23,293 THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. 1165 00:44:23,293 --> 00:44:25,329 UH, YOU KNOW, HERE IN HUNTSVILLE, 1166 00:44:25,329 --> 00:44:27,464 UH, THE-THE SIT-IN MOVEMENT BEGAN 1167 00:44:27,464 --> 00:44:30,768 IN DOWNTOWN HUNTSVILLE IN JANUARY 1962 1168 00:44:30,768 --> 00:44:33,670 AND CONTINUED THROUGH THE SUMMER, UH, THAT YEAR 1169 00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:37,074 AND, YOU KNOW, MORRISON COMES IN 1170 00:44:37,074 --> 00:44:39,443 IN MARCH OF '63 1171 00:44:39,443 --> 00:44:42,112 INTO THAT ENVIRONMENT AND HE SAYS, "YOU KNOW, UH, 1172 00:44:42,112 --> 00:44:44,014 I GOT A-- I GOT AN ISSUE HERE. 1173 00:44:44,014 --> 00:44:47,017 THE SPACE PROGRAM OFFERS A LIMITLESS OPPORTUNITY 1174 00:44:47,017 --> 00:44:49,887 FOR FUTURE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT OF WHAT I CAN DO." 1175 00:44:49,887 --> 00:44:53,557 UH, ALABAMA A&M TODAY IS NOT-- DOESN'T HAVE-- 1176 00:44:53,557 --> 00:44:56,527 OR A-AT THAT TIME, HE SAYS, DOESN'T HAVE A CURRICULUM 1177 00:44:56,527 --> 00:44:59,930 THAT IS GOING TO PRODUCE SOMEONE WHO CAN ATTAIN THAT JOB. 1178 00:44:59,930 --> 00:45:02,132 WHAT DO I NEED TO DO TO DO THAT 1179 00:45:02,132 --> 00:45:04,134 AND WHAT LINES DO I HAVE TO WALK 1180 00:45:04,134 --> 00:45:05,736 IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN?" 1181 00:45:05,736 --> 00:45:08,072 BECAUSE, ULTIMATELY, MORRISON KNEW THAT 1182 00:45:08,072 --> 00:45:11,909 HE HAD TO GO TO MONTGOMERY TO GET FUNDING IN 1963. 1183 00:45:11,909 --> 00:45:13,077 AND WE ALL R-- 1184 00:45:13,077 --> 00:45:14,778 YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH HISTORY, 1185 00:45:14,778 --> 00:45:17,448 UH, YOU KNOW, MORRISON GOIN' TO MONTGOMERY IN '63, 1186 00:45:17,448 --> 00:45:19,483 HE WAS GONNA ENCOUNTER GEORGE WALLACE 1187 00:45:19,483 --> 00:45:20,951 AS THE GOVERNOR THERE. 1188 00:45:20,951 --> 00:45:23,554 AND, YOU KNOW, SO, HE HAS TO HAVE A CERTAIN-- 1189 00:45:23,554 --> 00:45:26,123 HE HAS TO HAVE A CERTAIN STANCE ON THE SOCIAL ISSUES 1190 00:45:26,123 --> 00:45:28,792 THAT HE FACES IN ORDER TO DO THE THINGS THAT HE-- 1191 00:45:28,792 --> 00:45:29,893 THAT HE F-- 1192 00:45:29,893 --> 00:45:31,929 HE KNOW HE NEEDS TO DO TO PREPARE HIS STUDENTS. 1193 00:45:31,929 --> 00:45:34,731 SO, HE DEVELOPS, UH, HIGHER MATH CURRICULUMS. 1194 00:45:34,731 --> 00:45:36,834 YOU KNOW, HE DEVELOPS A PHYSICS PROGRAM. 1195 00:45:36,834 --> 00:45:38,502 HE INVITES HOWARD FOSTER TO COME 1196 00:45:38,502 --> 00:45:40,471 AND HOWARD FOSTER BECOMES THE, YOU KNOW, 1197 00:45:40,471 --> 00:45:43,507 BASICALLY INITIATES A PHYSICS PROGRAM AT, UH-- 1198 00:45:43,507 --> 00:45:45,943 AT ALABAMA A&M. UH, JA-- 1199 00:45:45,943 --> 00:45:47,644 YOU KNOW, UH, JENNINGS WAS GONNA BE THE F-- 1200 00:45:47,644 --> 00:45:49,012 ONE OF THE FIRST STUDENTS TO GO THROUGH THAT 1201 00:45:49,012 --> 00:45:51,348 WITH A PHYSICS MINOR, WHICH IS WHAT PREPARES HIM 1202 00:45:51,348 --> 00:45:53,183 TO COME HERE TO MARSHALL SPACE FLIGHT CENTER 1203 00:45:53,183 --> 00:45:54,418 AS A STUDENT. 1204 00:45:54,418 --> 00:45:57,621 UH, YOU KNOW, UH, SHIELA NASH-STEVENSON 1205 00:45:57,621 --> 00:45:59,056 ULTIMATELY WILL BE A, YOU KNOW-- 1206 00:45:59,056 --> 00:46:00,624 WILL BE SOMEONE WHO WILL GO THROUGH THAT PROGRAM 1207 00:46:00,624 --> 00:46:02,559 AND GET A Ph.D. IN PHYSICS FROM THERE. 1208 00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:04,128 SO, THAT'S-THAT'S WHAT MORRISON SAID 1209 00:46:04,128 --> 00:46:06,029 AND SET THE TRAJECTORY ON, RIGHT? 1210 00:46:06,029 --> 00:46:07,364 BUT HE KNOWS HE'S, YOU KNOW-- 1211 00:46:07,364 --> 00:46:11,034 HE'S-HE HAS LIMITED FUNDING, UH, BECAUSE OF SEGREGATION. 1212 00:46:11,034 --> 00:46:13,704 BECAUSE OF JIM CROW, ALABAMA A&M HAD BEEN 1213 00:46:13,704 --> 00:46:15,572 GETTING, YOU KNOW, NOT EVEN A WHOLE DOLLAR 1214 00:46:15,572 --> 00:46:18,375 FOR EVERY TEN THAT THE, UH, WHITE INSTITUTIONS GOT. 1215 00:46:18,375 --> 00:46:20,244 SO, HE HAS SO MUCH CATCHING UP TO DO, 1216 00:46:20,244 --> 00:46:22,846 BUT IT'S-IT'S TO MORRISON'S CREDIT THAT HE SAYS, 1217 00:46:22,846 --> 00:46:25,616 YOU KNOW, "THE SPACE PROGRAM IS NEW TO EVERYBODY 1218 00:46:25,616 --> 00:46:28,485 AND THAT IS-- THAT SHOULD BE A-- AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYONE" 1219 00:46:28,485 --> 00:46:30,120 AND HE FIGHTS TO GET THAT DONE. 1220 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,355 AND HE DOES THE THINGS THAT HE-- 1221 00:46:31,355 --> 00:46:33,457 AND HE TAKES A GREAT RISK TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW? 1222 00:46:33,457 --> 00:46:36,226 BECAUSE HE'S-- HE SAYS, YOU KNOW, "I'VE GOT TO ALSO, 1223 00:46:36,226 --> 00:46:37,861 YOU KNOW, CONVINCE THE STUDENTS THAT 1224 00:46:37,861 --> 00:46:39,029 IT'S WORTH TAKIN' THE RISK, 1225 00:46:39,029 --> 00:46:41,165 AND IF THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY FOR 'EM, 1226 00:46:41,165 --> 00:46:42,766 THE STUDENTS AREN'T GONNA BITE ON THIS. 1227 00:46:42,766 --> 00:46:45,702 WHO'S GONNA GO GET A PHYSICS DEGREE IN, UH-- 1228 00:46:45,702 --> 00:46:47,571 YOU KNOW, IN-IN HUNTSVILLE, ALABAMA 1229 00:46:47,571 --> 00:46:48,705 TO GO WORK FOR, YOU KNOW-- TO-- 1230 00:46:48,705 --> 00:46:50,807 WITH JUST A PROMISE OF A JOB." 1231 00:46:50,807 --> 00:46:52,910 SO, HE WORKS WITH MARSHALL SPACE FLIGHT CENTER 1232 00:46:52,910 --> 00:46:53,877 AND DEMANDS THAT. 1233 00:46:53,877 --> 00:46:55,679 SO, I THINK THE TAKEAWAY FROM THAT THOUGH, 1234 00:46:55,679 --> 00:46:58,248 FOR US AT-AT-AT-AT NASA TODAY 1235 00:46:58,248 --> 00:47:00,050 IS, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT PEOPLE ARE DEALIN' WITH. 1236 00:47:00,050 --> 00:47:01,952 AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT JUST FOR HBCUs, 1237 00:47:01,952 --> 00:47:03,220 THAT'S ACROSS THE BOARD, RIGHT? 1238 00:47:03,220 --> 00:47:05,255 WHAT ARE PEOPLE HAVIN' TO SACRIFICE 1239 00:47:05,255 --> 00:47:08,325 AND-AND THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT THEY'RE TRYIN' TO CREATE, 1240 00:47:08,325 --> 00:47:09,593 YOU KNOW, FOR THAT-- 1241 00:47:09,593 --> 00:47:11,295 TO-TO GIVE YOU THE CANDIDATES 1242 00:47:11,295 --> 00:47:13,730 FOR THE JOB OPENINGS WHEN YOU PUT 'EM OUT. 1243 00:47:13,730 --> 00:47:14,865 YOU GOTTA GO FIND 'EM. 1244 00:47:14,865 --> 00:47:15,866 YOU'VE GOTTA GO TALK TO 'EM. 1245 00:47:15,866 --> 00:47:17,434 YOU'VE GOT TO WORK WITH THEM 1246 00:47:17,434 --> 00:47:19,303 AND MEET THEM WHERE THEY ARE 1247 00:47:19,303 --> 00:47:20,370 AND TH-- AND, YOU KNOW, YOU-- 1248 00:47:20,370 --> 00:47:22,306 BECAUSE YOU HAVE THESE FOLKS LIKE MORRISON 1249 00:47:22,306 --> 00:47:24,641 WHO WERE FIGHTING BEHIND THE SCENES TO DO-- 1250 00:47:24,641 --> 00:47:26,977 TO SCRATCH AND CLAW FOR EVERYTHING THEY HAD 1251 00:47:26,977 --> 00:47:29,146 TO-TO GET YOU THAT CANDIDATE. 1252 00:47:29,146 --> 00:47:31,548 WE'VE GOTTA GO FIND 'EM AND WE'VE GOT TO DO THAT. 1253 00:47:31,548 --> 00:47:32,916 YOU KNOW, A-AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, 1254 00:47:32,916 --> 00:47:34,017 I COULD TALK ABOUT THIS FOREVER. 1255 00:47:34,017 --> 00:47:35,018 BUT YOU KNOW, UH, 1256 00:47:35,018 --> 00:47:36,320 YOU MAY KNOW THE STORY OF CHARLES SMOOT. 1257 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,889 SMOOT WAS BROUGHT IN IN 1963 1258 00:47:38,889 --> 00:47:42,025 TO BE WHAT THEY REFERRED TO AS A "NEGRO RECRUITER," RIGHT? 1259 00:47:42,025 --> 00:47:44,728 SO, HIS JOB WAS TO GO OUT AND FIND CANDIDATES. 1260 00:47:44,728 --> 00:47:47,831 AND IN '63, HE GOES TO ARKANSAS TO CONVINCE, 1261 00:47:47,831 --> 00:47:49,600 YOU KNOW, ERNEST SMITH. 1262 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,335 ERNEST SMITH, WHO WILL BE THE FIRST EVER 1263 00:47:51,335 --> 00:47:53,637 AFRICAN AMERICAN LAB DIRECTOR AT MARSHALL. 1264 00:47:53,637 --> 00:47:54,671 HE'S GOTTA GO TO-- 1265 00:47:54,671 --> 00:47:57,174 HE'S GOTTA GO TO ARKANSAS, CONVINCE SMITH-- 1266 00:47:57,174 --> 00:48:00,143 UH, CONVINCE SMITH TO MOVE TO HUNTSVILLE, ALABAMA 1267 00:48:00,143 --> 00:48:02,179 IN THE MIDST OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT 1268 00:48:02,179 --> 00:48:05,449 FOR LESS MONEY THAN HE COULD MAKE GOIN' TO, YOU KNOW-- 1269 00:48:05,449 --> 00:48:07,150 SO, YOU KNOW, HE-HE SAYS, YOU KNOW, 1270 00:48:07,150 --> 00:48:09,186 HE IS GOIN' TO SMITH AND HE SAYS, "HEY, MAN. 1271 00:48:09,186 --> 00:48:10,754 YOU'RE-YOU'RE IN THIS PROGRAM HERE. 1272 00:48:10,754 --> 00:48:13,190 WE'D LIKE TO INVITE YOU TO COME TO HUNTSVILLE FOR A JOB," 1273 00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:14,424 AND HE'S LIKE-- YOU KNOW, 1274 00:48:14,424 --> 00:48:15,759 "HUNTSVILLE'S DIFFERENT." 1275 00:48:15,759 --> 00:48:18,495 AND-AND SMITH'S LIKE, "WELL, HOW DIFFERENT IS IT, RIGHT? 1276 00:48:18,495 --> 00:48:19,863 I MEAN--" SO, ANYWAY. 1277 00:48:19,863 --> 00:48:21,164 SO, I COULD GO ON AND ON ABOUT THESE, 1278 00:48:21,164 --> 00:48:22,566 BUT-BUT THAT STEM ENGAGEMENT 1279 00:48:22,566 --> 00:48:23,900 AND THAT FINDIN' PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE, 1280 00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:25,669 IT'S A CRITICAL PIECE OF THIS. 1281 00:48:25,669 --> 00:48:29,473 - YOU KNOW, UH, TH-THIS IS-- THIS IS-THIS IS AWESOME. 1282 00:48:29,473 --> 00:48:31,708 YOU-YOU GUYS ARE INCREDIBLE, ACTUALLY, 1283 00:48:31,708 --> 00:48:32,709 EVERY ONE OF YOU. 1284 00:48:32,709 --> 00:48:34,278 AND I'M NOT JUST SAYIN' THAT, I DO THIS STUFF A LOT. 1285 00:48:34,278 --> 00:48:35,579 AND TO HEAR-- 1286 00:48:35,579 --> 00:48:38,715 THIS INFORMATION NEEDS TO BE PUT OUT EVEN THE MORE. 1287 00:48:38,715 --> 00:48:42,386 AND EVEN AMONGST, UH, US STEM PEOPLE, 1288 00:48:42,386 --> 00:48:46,490 UM, I-I TOLD PEOPLE I'M AN ENGINEER IN MY PAST LIFE. 1289 00:48:46,490 --> 00:48:49,059 BUT, UH, A-A-AND-AND IT'S-- AND IT'S INCREDIBLE. 1290 00:48:49,059 --> 00:48:52,696 AND-AND-AND IT TOOKS-- IT-IT-IT TAKES GRIT. 1291 00:48:52,696 --> 00:48:54,364 IT TAKES US, UH, ON-- 1292 00:48:54,364 --> 00:48:56,500 UH, BEIN' ABLE TO SACRIFICE 1293 00:48:56,500 --> 00:49:00,470 AND GO THROUGH THE HARDSHIPS THAT ONE MUST GO THROUGH. 1294 00:49:00,470 --> 00:49:02,839 AND SO, WE THANK, OF COURSE, UH, DR. MORRISON 1295 00:49:02,839 --> 00:49:04,641 AND-AND-AND YOU AND EVERYBODY ELSE 1296 00:49:04,641 --> 00:49:06,143 WHO WENT BEFORE US. 1297 00:49:06,143 --> 00:49:08,478 THIS NEXT QUESTION IS-IS PIGGYBACKING 1298 00:49:08,478 --> 00:49:11,581 ON WHAT DR. ODOM, YOU JUST SAID. 1299 00:49:11,581 --> 00:49:15,085 UH, AND I'MMA START THIS, UH, QUESTION WITH RHE-RHEGA. 1300 00:49:15,085 --> 00:49:17,988 UH, AND IT SAYS, "DID YOUR EXPER-- DID-DID YOU--" 1301 00:49:17,988 --> 00:49:20,557 EXCUSE ME, "EXPERIENCE ANY HARDSHIPS 1302 00:49:20,557 --> 00:49:23,560 DURING YOUR ASCENSION TO YOUR CURRENT POSITION 1303 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,263 BASED ON ANY BIASES? 1304 00:49:26,263 --> 00:49:28,832 WHAT WOULD BE YOUR ADVICE TO THOSE 1305 00:49:28,832 --> 00:49:31,902 WHO DO EXPERIENCE THIS?" 1306 00:49:34,071 --> 00:49:38,742 - YEAH, SO, UH, I CAME TO, UM-- I CAME TO NASA IN 1991. 1307 00:49:38,742 --> 00:49:42,379 SO, UM... 1308 00:49:42,379 --> 00:49:44,414 I-I WOULD LIKE TO SAY "A DIFFERENT TIME," 1309 00:49:44,414 --> 00:49:47,851 BUT, UM, IT-IT FEELS LIKE, UM, WE-WE JUST KEEP CIRCLIN' 1310 00:49:47,851 --> 00:49:50,454 THROUGH THE-THE SAME TIMES OVER AGAIN. 1311 00:49:50,454 --> 00:49:54,057 BUT, UM, I HAD A LOT OF GREAT, UH, MENTORS, 1312 00:49:54,057 --> 00:49:55,359 LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE. 1313 00:49:55,359 --> 00:49:57,160 I HAD A LOT OF GREAT PEOPLE AROUND ME. 1314 00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,330 SO, WHILE THINGS WEREN'T ALWAYS EASY, I-- 1315 00:50:00,330 --> 00:50:02,366 UM, I HAD PEOPLE TO HELP LIFT ME UP 1316 00:50:02,366 --> 00:50:04,801 WHEN-WHEN THINGS GOT DIFFICULT. 1317 00:50:04,801 --> 00:50:06,370 SO, UM, YEAH. 1318 00:50:06,370 --> 00:50:09,039 YOU FELT LIKE YOU HAD TO WORK, UM, A LITTLE HARDER. 1319 00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:11,141 YOU HAD TO PROVE YOURSELF, UH, OFTEN 1320 00:50:11,141 --> 00:50:14,811 TO, UM, PEOPLE, UM, MORE. 1321 00:50:14,811 --> 00:50:17,881 BUT, UM, THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT 1322 00:50:17,881 --> 00:50:20,484 TO HAVE THAT NETWORK OF PEOPLE AROUND YOU TO-- 1323 00:50:20,484 --> 00:50:22,619 WHEN-WHEN YOU GET THOSE HARD DAYS 1324 00:50:22,619 --> 00:50:25,422 AND YOU HIT THOSE HARD PATCHES TO, UH, 1325 00:50:25,422 --> 00:50:27,124 SOMEBODY TO SAY, COME ON, WE CAN DO IT. 1326 00:50:27,124 --> 00:50:29,192 YEAH, KEEP PUSHING. KEEP-KEEP DOIN' IT." 1327 00:50:29,192 --> 00:50:30,927 UM, YOU KNOW, "KEEP IT GOIN." 1328 00:50:30,927 --> 00:50:34,264 SO, UH, I JUST CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH, 1329 00:50:34,264 --> 00:50:35,365 YOU KNOW, WHAT IT MEANS. 1330 00:50:35,365 --> 00:50:37,501 AND A LOT OF NAMES THAT HAVE BEEN CALLED TODAY 1331 00:50:37,501 --> 00:50:39,836 ARE, UM, UH, DEFINITELY PART OF MY NETWORK. 1332 00:50:39,836 --> 00:50:42,272 A LOT OF THE NAMES I'M SEEIN' IN THE CHAT ALSO. 1333 00:50:42,272 --> 00:50:44,007 UM, YOU KNOW, AND IT JUST MEANS-- 1334 00:50:44,007 --> 00:50:45,242 IT MEANS A LOT TO-- 1335 00:50:45,242 --> 00:50:46,643 FOR, LIKE I SAID, ALL THOSE PEOPLE 1336 00:50:46,643 --> 00:50:48,912 THAT HAVE GONE BEFORE US AND, UM, YOU KNOW, 1337 00:50:48,912 --> 00:50:51,615 FOR US TODAY TO-TO PULL ALONG THOSE BEHIND US. 1338 00:50:51,615 --> 00:50:55,218 'CAUSE IT-IT'S STILL A-A ROUGH ROAD, UM, AT TIMES. 1339 00:50:55,218 --> 00:50:58,288 AND YOU'RE GONNA ENCOUNTER SOME-SOME OBSTACLES 1340 00:50:58,288 --> 00:50:59,990 THAT YOU'RE GONNA NEED SOME-SOME PEOPLE 1341 00:50:59,990 --> 00:51:01,591 TO HELP STAND BESIDE YOU AND LIFT YOU UP 1342 00:51:01,591 --> 00:51:04,194 AND-AND HELP YOU OVERCOME. 1343 00:51:04,194 --> 00:51:06,129 - YEAH. THAT'S-THAT'S GO-- THAT'S GREAT. 1344 00:51:06,129 --> 00:51:07,798 MR. BROWN, I'M SURE YOU HAVEN'T HAD 1345 00:51:07,798 --> 00:51:08,932 ANY OF THESE HARDSHIPS, 1346 00:51:08,932 --> 00:51:11,635 BUT, UH, IF YOU HAVE, PLEASE COMMENT. 1347 00:51:13,170 --> 00:51:17,474 - UM, SO, I THINK, UM, 1348 00:51:17,474 --> 00:51:21,211 THERE'S A LOT OF, UM... 1349 00:51:21,211 --> 00:51:23,146 FEAR AND ANXIETY SOMETIMES 1350 00:51:23,146 --> 00:51:26,917 WHEN YOU'RE THE ONLY BLACK FACE IN THE ROOM, 1351 00:51:26,917 --> 00:51:29,519 ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE A LEADER 1352 00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:31,788 AND YOU'RE THE ONLY BLACK FACE IN THE ROOM. 1353 00:51:31,788 --> 00:51:34,191 I THINK THEY CALL THAT LIKE "IMPOSTER SYNDROME." 1354 00:51:34,191 --> 00:51:37,661 UM, AND I GUESS THERE ARE DEGREES TO IT, RIGHT? 1355 00:51:37,661 --> 00:51:43,099 UM, BUT, UM, WHENEVER I FELT ANYTHING LIKE THAT, 1356 00:51:43,099 --> 00:51:46,136 I ALWAYS HAD PEOPLE I COULD KINDA CALL 1357 00:51:46,136 --> 00:51:49,840 AND THEY COULD GIVE ME, UM, SOME ADVICE. 1358 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,443 AND, UH, LIKE, UH, BOBBY WATKINS 1359 00:51:53,443 --> 00:51:54,511 IS A FRAT BROTHER. 1360 00:51:54,511 --> 00:51:55,445 I'VE CALLED HIM. 1361 00:51:55,445 --> 00:51:56,713 I CALL HIM AND TELL HIM 1362 00:51:56,713 --> 00:51:58,348 "HEY, MAN, HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THIS?" 1363 00:51:58,348 --> 00:51:59,883 OR "HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THAT?" 1364 00:51:59,883 --> 00:52:03,987 UM, PEOPLE LIKE VAN STRICKLAND OVER IN, UM, SLS. 1365 00:52:03,987 --> 00:52:05,856 THERE'S ANOTHER FRAT BROTHER THAT I ALWAYS CALL. 1366 00:52:05,856 --> 00:52:08,592 AND, UH, ESPECIALLY EARLY ON IN MY CAREER, 1367 00:52:08,592 --> 00:52:10,927 I'D GO SIT IN VAN'S OFFICE LIKE, "HEY, VAN, MAN, 1368 00:52:10,927 --> 00:52:12,429 HOW DO I DO THIS?" 1369 00:52:12,429 --> 00:52:14,498 UH, "I'M-I'M WORRIED. I'M NOT THERE YET. 1370 00:52:14,498 --> 00:52:17,033 I'M NOT READY FOR THIS. I'M NOT READY FOR THAT." 1371 00:52:17,033 --> 00:52:20,303 AND VAN WOULD-- VAN WOULD LOOK AT ME IN-- 1372 00:52:20,303 --> 00:52:22,806 UH, IN THE MOST VAN STRICKLAND WAY 1373 00:52:22,806 --> 00:52:25,275 AND SAY, "BOY, STOP." YOU KNOW? 1374 00:52:25,275 --> 00:52:29,212 AND, UM, AND SNAP ME OUT OF MY OWN HEAD. 1375 00:52:29,212 --> 00:52:34,284 AND-AND SO, I THINK THAT THE WAY THAT, UH, I KINDA-- 1376 00:52:34,284 --> 00:52:35,852 THAT YOU DEAL WITH THAT KINDA STUFF 1377 00:52:35,852 --> 00:52:39,523 IS MENTORSHIP THAT YOU CAN BE-- 1378 00:52:39,523 --> 00:52:41,992 HAVE HONEST CONVERSATIONS WITH 1379 00:52:41,992 --> 00:52:45,862 AND, UH, I CALL IT "RECKLESS ABANDONMENT." 1380 00:52:45,862 --> 00:52:50,534 LIKE, YOU HAVE TO APPROACH YOUR CAREER WITHOUT THE FEAR. 1381 00:52:50,534 --> 00:52:53,069 LIKE, UH, THERE'S THIS DETAIL OVER HERE 1382 00:52:53,069 --> 00:52:55,038 IN THE CHIEF ENGINEER'S OFFICE. 1383 00:52:55,038 --> 00:52:58,141 I'VE BEEN SITTIN' IN MATERIALS LAB MY WHOLE-- 1384 00:52:58,141 --> 00:53:00,677 MY WHOLE CAREER, UH, 1385 00:53:00,677 --> 00:53:03,446 AM I REALLY QUALIFIED FOR THAT JOB? 1386 00:53:03,446 --> 00:53:05,749 WHO CARES, I'M JUST GONNA GO AFTER IT ANYWAY 1387 00:53:05,749 --> 00:53:08,451 AND I'LL FIND OUT, YOU KNOW? 1388 00:53:08,451 --> 00:53:13,156 SO, UM, YEAH. RECKLESS ABANDONMENT. 1389 00:53:13,156 --> 00:53:14,257 - RECKLESS ABANDONMENT. 1390 00:53:14,257 --> 00:53:17,060 THAT-THAT'S GOOD. AND-- RIGHT. 1391 00:53:17,060 --> 00:53:20,697 AND WE ALL HAVE FACED HARDSHIPS, UH, I WOULD THINK, 1392 00:53:20,697 --> 00:53:23,099 IF YOU ARE IN ANY TYPE OF LEADERSHIP ROLE. 1393 00:53:23,099 --> 00:53:26,303 AND, UM, IT'S-- YOU KNOW, IT'S HOW YOU, UH, 1394 00:53:26,303 --> 00:53:28,271 HOW WE-WE RESPOND TO IT, YOU KNOW? 1395 00:53:28,271 --> 00:53:30,674 IT'S-- YOU KNOW, THE DELIBERATION, YOU KNOW, 1396 00:53:30,674 --> 00:53:31,541 WE NEED-- 1397 00:53:31,541 --> 00:53:33,443 UH, HOW DO WE RESPOND TO THOSE-THOSE THINGS. 1398 00:53:33,443 --> 00:53:34,945 HERE'S WHAT I'LL SAY. 1399 00:53:34,945 --> 00:53:37,614 YOU KNOW, WE ARE WHO WE ARE UNDER PRESSURE. 1400 00:53:37,614 --> 00:53:38,848 I TELL PEOPLE, YOU'RE NOT WHO YOU ARE 1401 00:53:38,848 --> 00:53:39,883 WHEN EVERYTHING IS GOING WELL. 1402 00:53:39,883 --> 00:53:41,384 YOU ARE WHO YOU ARE UNDER PRESSURE WHEN-- 1403 00:53:41,384 --> 00:53:43,153 AND WHEN THE PRESSURE OF, UH-- 1404 00:53:43,153 --> 00:53:46,156 OF DIVERSITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS, 1405 00:53:46,156 --> 00:53:48,191 THEN WHO YOU ARE WILL COME-- 1406 00:53:48,191 --> 00:53:49,893 RISE UP AND WE NEED PEOPLE AROUND US. 1407 00:53:49,893 --> 00:53:51,962 DOCTOR-DOCTOR-DOCTOR, UH, MOSBY. 1408 00:53:51,962 --> 00:53:54,497 PLEASE, UH, PLEASE GIVE US SOME INSIGHT ON THIS. 1409 00:53:54,497 --> 00:53:57,167 'CAUSE I'M SURE YOU HAVE SOME. 1410 00:53:57,167 --> 00:53:59,169 - WELL, UM, YOU KNOW, 1411 00:53:59,169 --> 00:54:01,438 MY-MY-MY PATH WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. 1412 00:54:01,438 --> 00:54:05,342 UM, YOU KNOW, I-I'VE SPENT THE MAJORITY OF MY CAREER, 1413 00:54:05,342 --> 00:54:07,344 UM, AS A GOVERNMENT CONTRACTOR, YOU KNOW, 1414 00:54:07,344 --> 00:54:10,246 WORKING IN, UH, COMMERCIAL INDUSTRY. 1415 00:54:10,246 --> 00:54:14,050 AND, UH, L-LOT OF HARDSHIPS, UH, ESPECIALLY 1416 00:54:14,050 --> 00:54:17,454 WHEN YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE OF COLOR, 1417 00:54:17,454 --> 00:54:20,223 UH, IN A ROOM OF MANAGERS, IN A ROOM OF DIRECTORS, 1418 00:54:20,223 --> 00:54:22,125 IN A ROOM OF VICE PRESIDENTS. 1419 00:54:22,125 --> 00:54:25,195 UM, AND THERE'S NO ONE ELSE IN THE COMPANY 1420 00:54:25,195 --> 00:54:28,398 THAT LOOKS LIKE YOU THAT YOU CAN SEEK ADVICE 1421 00:54:28,398 --> 00:54:30,433 AND-AND SOLACE FROM. 1422 00:54:30,433 --> 00:54:33,670 UM, BUT-BUT Y-YOU KNOW, WHEN I TRANSITIONED 1423 00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:36,106 OVER TO-TO NASA, UM, 1424 00:54:36,106 --> 00:54:38,375 YOU KNOW, EVEN BEFORE I GOT TO NASA, 1425 00:54:38,375 --> 00:54:41,745 UM, YOU KNOW, UH, MR. NATHANIEL BOCLAIR, 1426 00:54:41,745 --> 00:54:45,615 UM, BECAME, YOU KNOW, A SAFE HARBOR. 1427 00:54:45,615 --> 00:54:47,984 HE WAS SOMEONE THAT YOU COULD GO TO 1428 00:54:47,984 --> 00:54:50,887 AND SAY, "HEY, I HAVE THESE IDEAS." 1429 00:54:50,887 --> 00:54:52,622 OR "WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS?" 1430 00:54:52,622 --> 00:54:54,691 OR "HEY, WE HAVE THIS PROBLEM. 1431 00:54:54,691 --> 00:54:56,993 LET'S-LET'S SPEND SOME TIME WORKING 1432 00:54:56,993 --> 00:54:58,528 THROUGH THESE DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS." 1433 00:54:58,528 --> 00:55:01,097 AND-AND SO, YOU KNOW, HAVING-- 1434 00:55:01,097 --> 00:55:03,466 I THINK HAVING SOMEONE THAT, UH, 1435 00:55:03,466 --> 00:55:06,670 UNDERSTANDS YOUR BACKGROUND, YOUR PSYCHE, 1436 00:55:06,670 --> 00:55:08,304 UM, WHO LOOKS LIKE YOU, 1437 00:55:08,304 --> 00:55:10,607 THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE OPENING UP TO, 1438 00:55:10,607 --> 00:55:13,276 UM, HELPS EASE SOME OF THOSE HARDSHIPS. 1439 00:55:13,276 --> 00:55:16,146 UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T REALLY 1440 00:55:16,146 --> 00:55:18,715 HAD ANY HARDSHIPS AT NASA. 1441 00:55:18,715 --> 00:55:20,750 UH, A LOT OF HARD WORK. 1442 00:55:20,750 --> 00:55:24,888 UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME BIASES 1443 00:55:24,888 --> 00:55:28,158 AND-AND THOSE BIASES ARE, TO ME, 1444 00:55:28,158 --> 00:55:31,094 JUST, UH, THINGS THAT NATURALLY OCCUR 1445 00:55:31,094 --> 00:55:34,597 WHEN YOU SELECT A NEW PERSON FOR A NEW POSITION. 1446 00:55:34,597 --> 00:55:37,233 OR WHEN YOU'RE TRYIN' TO CHALLENGE THE NORM. 1447 00:55:37,233 --> 00:55:39,469 UM, THOSE BIASES ARE-ARE THERE. 1448 00:55:39,469 --> 00:55:42,739 THEY'RE GONNA COME OUT, BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, 1449 00:55:42,739 --> 00:55:45,909 BEIN' RAISED WITH HAVIN' THAT EXPECTATION OF GREATNESS, 1450 00:55:45,909 --> 00:55:47,444 BEING, UH-- 1451 00:55:47,444 --> 00:55:50,113 BEING AWARE AND UNDERSTANDING THAT 1452 00:55:50,113 --> 00:55:52,282 YOU ARE THE FIRST AND THAT THERE ARE OTHERS 1453 00:55:52,282 --> 00:55:55,351 THAT NEED TO COME BEHIND YOU, YOU ARE GOING TO WORK 1454 00:55:55,351 --> 00:55:57,353 TO OVERCOME THOSE BIASES. 1455 00:55:57,353 --> 00:55:59,856 YOU'RE GONNA WORK TO OVERCOME THOSE CHALLENGES. 1456 00:55:59,856 --> 00:56:03,493 UM, A-AND, YOU KNOW, MY ADVICE TO-TO ANYONE 1457 00:56:03,493 --> 00:56:06,830 WHO, UH, HAS SIMILAR EXPERIENCES WITH HARDSHIPS 1458 00:56:06,830 --> 00:56:09,866 AND DEALING WITH BIASES IS, AGAIN, TO FIND THAT MENTOR. 1459 00:56:09,866 --> 00:56:11,701 FIND THAT FRIEND, THAT SAFE HARBOR. 1460 00:56:11,701 --> 00:56:14,037 SOMEBODY THAT YOU CAN GO TO, UM, 1461 00:56:14,037 --> 00:56:15,905 THAT CAN BE A SOUNDING BOARD 1462 00:56:15,905 --> 00:56:17,841 WHO'S GONNA GIVE IT TO YOU HONEST. 1463 00:56:17,841 --> 00:56:19,709 WHO'S GONNA BE REAL WITH YOU 1464 00:56:19,709 --> 00:56:21,945 AND-AND, UM, LET YOU KNOW 1465 00:56:21,945 --> 00:56:23,780 WHEN YOU'RE STEPPING OUTSIDE OF YOUR BOUNDS 1466 00:56:23,780 --> 00:56:26,616 OR WHEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ABOUT TO CROSS THAT LINE. 1467 00:56:26,616 --> 00:56:28,485 UH, OR GIVE YOU A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE 1468 00:56:28,485 --> 00:56:30,653 ON-ON HOW TO APPROACH THESE THINGS THAT 1469 00:56:30,653 --> 00:56:32,589 THEY MAY HAVE ALREADY FACED. 1470 00:56:32,589 --> 00:56:35,492 - YEAH, I-I THINK THAT'S GREAT. UM, WOW. 1471 00:56:35,492 --> 00:56:39,295 THIS-THIS IS-- TI-TIME IS WINDIN' UP PRETTY QUICK. 1472 00:56:39,295 --> 00:56:42,932 UH, AND THIS HAS BEEN SIMPLY, UM, AWESOME TODAY. 1473 00:56:42,932 --> 00:56:46,269 AND I DO-I DO WANT TO COMMENT, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, 1474 00:56:46,269 --> 00:56:48,872 THAT THEME OF EXCELLENCE. 1475 00:56:48,872 --> 00:56:54,477 UH, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE 1476 00:56:54,477 --> 00:56:58,214 I THINK, FOR ANY OF YOU WHO ARE ON THIS CALL TODAY 1477 00:56:58,214 --> 00:57:00,216 AND YOU LEADERS ON THE PANEL, YOU KNOW, 1478 00:57:00,216 --> 00:57:02,886 YOU GOT TO WHERE YOU'RE AT BECAUSE OF YOUR MINDSET. 1479 00:57:02,886 --> 00:57:04,387 THINGS HIT YOU. 1480 00:57:04,387 --> 00:57:06,589 THINGS ARE IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT YOU KNOW, 1481 00:57:06,589 --> 00:57:09,092 YOU HAD THIS EXCELLENCE, UH, IN FRONT OF YOU 1482 00:57:09,092 --> 00:57:11,361 THAT YOU WERE STRIVIN' FOR LIKE WE ALL, 1483 00:57:11,361 --> 00:57:13,897 AND-AND-AND YOU-Y-YOU KEPT FIGHTING. 1484 00:57:13,897 --> 00:57:15,899 HERE'S WHAT I TELL PEOPLE. 1485 00:57:15,899 --> 00:57:17,600 YOU KNOW, WE COULD COMPLAIN ALL DAY 1486 00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,170 AND THINGS ARE OUT THERE, BUT, UH, IT'S NOT-- 1487 00:57:20,170 --> 00:57:21,704 IT'S HOW DO WE RESPOND? 1488 00:57:21,704 --> 00:57:23,506 YOU KNOW, I TELL PEOPLE WHEN-WHEN-WHEN LIFE 1489 00:57:23,506 --> 00:57:25,942 THROWS ME LEMONS, YOU KNOW-- 1490 00:57:25,942 --> 00:57:27,510 I KNOW Y'ALL ARE GONNA SAY I'MMA MAKE LEMONADE. 1491 00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:28,711 NO, I USED TO MAKE LEMONADE. 1492 00:57:28,711 --> 00:57:32,482 I MAKE LEMON MERINGUE PIE NOW, OH, I GO TO THE EXTREME. 1493 00:57:32,482 --> 00:57:34,484 YES, UH, NOT-NOT LEMONADE ANYMORE. 1494 00:57:34,484 --> 00:57:36,319 I-I MAKE LEMON MERINGUE PIE. 1495 00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:39,189 YOU KNOW, UH, BECAUSE WE ARE TODAY 1496 00:57:39,189 --> 00:57:41,257 WHAT WE THOUGHT YESTERDAY 1497 00:57:41,257 --> 00:57:43,993 AND WE'LL BE TOMORROW WHAT WE'RE THINKIN' RIGHT NOW TODAY. 1498 00:57:43,993 --> 00:57:45,562 AND SO, TO OVERCOME ANYTHING 1499 00:57:45,562 --> 00:57:47,931 IS-IS-IS A-A-A THOUGHT PROCESS. 1500 00:57:47,931 --> 00:57:49,732 WE HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. 1501 00:57:49,732 --> 00:57:50,900 AND, UM-- AND WE-- 1502 00:57:50,900 --> 00:57:54,103 AND I WOULD ASK ALL OF YOU TO BE BRIEF, BUT, UM-- 1503 00:57:54,103 --> 00:57:56,039 AND THEN, WE-WE-WE GONNA END THIS TODAY. 1504 00:57:56,039 --> 00:57:57,774 THIS HAS-THIS HAS BEEN JUST AWESOME TO ME. 1505 00:57:57,774 --> 00:57:59,442 I'M-I'M ENJOYIN' EVERY BIT OF IT. 1506 00:57:59,442 --> 00:58:00,844 AND I WANNA TALK TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU 1507 00:58:00,844 --> 00:58:02,712 AND PICK YOUR BRAINS AGAIN. 1508 00:58:02,712 --> 00:58:04,380 AND LEARN FROM YOU. 1509 00:58:04,380 --> 00:58:08,918 UM, IF WE IGNORE THE IMPORTANCE OF REPRESENTATION, 1510 00:58:08,918 --> 00:58:12,255 DIVERSITY, INCLUSION, AND EQUITY AT NASA... 1511 00:58:14,591 --> 00:58:17,393 COULD THERE BE LONG TERM CONSEQUENCES? 1512 00:58:17,393 --> 00:58:19,028 IF WE IGNORE IT. 1513 00:58:19,028 --> 00:58:22,432 AND, UM, SO, 1514 00:58:22,432 --> 00:58:24,300 DR. ODOM, WE'LL-WE'LL-WE'LL START WITH YOU. 1515 00:58:24,300 --> 00:58:27,503 WE NEED A COUPLE MINUTES, GUYS, EACH AND WE'LL BE DONE. 1516 00:58:27,503 --> 00:58:31,274 UH, A-AND SO WE CAN GET-- BUT THINK ABOUT THAT, UM. 1517 00:58:31,274 --> 00:58:32,175 - HEY, I-- 1518 00:58:32,175 --> 00:58:34,577 I'LL-I'LL SEND OVER TIME AND TELL YA THAT 1519 00:58:34,577 --> 00:58:36,145 IF WE DON'T, IT'S GONNA FAIL. 1520 00:58:36,145 --> 00:58:37,714 I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA WORK 1521 00:58:37,714 --> 00:58:40,183 AS AN ORGANIZATION THAT FUNCTIONS ALONG THESE LINES, 1522 00:58:40,183 --> 00:58:41,885 THEN IT, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS THINGS 1523 00:58:41,885 --> 00:58:44,687 LIKE CREATING OPPORTUNITIES, CREATING SAFE SPACES, 1524 00:58:44,687 --> 00:58:47,590 AND A LEADERSHIP THAT STANDS UP AND-AND B-- 1525 00:58:47,590 --> 00:58:50,126 AND SUPPORTS THAT IN THE FACE AN UNPOPULAR 1526 00:58:50,126 --> 00:58:51,895 OR CONTROVERSIAL POSITION. 1527 00:58:51,895 --> 00:58:54,063 I MEAN, WE EXPERIENCED THIS LAST YEAR 1528 00:58:54,063 --> 00:58:55,965 WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE MURDER OF GEORGE FLOYD 1529 00:58:55,965 --> 00:58:58,468 AND THE REACTION TO THAT ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 1530 00:58:58,468 --> 00:59:00,436 AND, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED A-- 1531 00:59:00,436 --> 00:59:02,272 YOU KNOW, YOU NEED A LEADERSHIP THAT'S GONNA SAY, 1532 00:59:02,272 --> 00:59:03,706 "YEAH, THAT'S WRONG. 1533 00:59:03,706 --> 00:59:05,408 LET'S STAND UP AND LET'S FIGHT AGAINST THAT 1534 00:59:05,408 --> 00:59:06,509 AND SHOW THAT WE'RE BETTER THAN THAT." 1535 00:59:06,509 --> 00:59:07,944 SO-- SO, YEAH. 1536 00:59:07,944 --> 00:59:12,181 - GREAT, GREAT, GREAT. RHEGA? 1537 00:59:12,181 --> 00:59:14,217 - THANK YOU. 1538 00:59:14,217 --> 00:59:15,418 - YEAH, AB-ABSOLUTELY. 1539 00:59:15,418 --> 00:59:17,553 UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DEFINITELY TANGIBLE THINGS. 1540 00:59:17,553 --> 00:59:20,056 I THINK MONEY ALWAYS TALKS AND, UM, 1541 00:59:20,056 --> 00:59:22,258 WE DEFINITELY SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, 1542 00:59:22,258 --> 00:59:24,427 I-IT HAS IMPACT, UM, THROUGH-- 1543 00:59:24,427 --> 00:59:27,964 ON OUR ECONOMY AND EVERYTHING WHEN WE, UH, DISENFRANCHISE 1544 00:59:27,964 --> 00:59:31,034 ANY GROUP OF PEOPLE AND-AND NOT TAKE INTO, 1545 00:59:31,034 --> 00:59:33,369 YOU KNOW, ACCOUNT THE-THEIR INPUT 1546 00:59:33,369 --> 00:59:35,238 AND-AND THE VALUE THAT THEY BRING. 1547 00:59:35,238 --> 00:59:37,273 SO, UM, ABSOLUTELY. 1548 00:59:37,273 --> 00:59:39,776 AND, UM, I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT NASA HAS INCLUSION 1549 00:59:39,776 --> 00:59:41,477 AS ONE OF THEIR CORE VALUES NOW. 1550 00:59:41,477 --> 00:59:43,212 AND, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, 1551 00:59:43,212 --> 00:59:45,748 I JUST LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, US MAKIN' THAT 1552 00:59:45,748 --> 00:59:49,419 JUST A DAILY, UM, PART, YOU KNOW, 1553 00:59:49,419 --> 00:59:52,822 PART OF EVERYTHING THAT WE DO, SO. 1554 00:59:52,822 --> 00:59:54,691 - GREAT, GREAT, AWESOME, WHAT ABOUT DR. MOSBY? 1555 00:59:56,526 --> 00:59:57,760 - YEAH, I MEAN, Y-- 1556 00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,762 WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF NASA, 1557 00:59:59,762 --> 01:00:02,432 UM, AND-AND THE U.S. SPACE KRO-PROGRAM, 1558 01:00:02,432 --> 01:00:04,634 YOU KNOW, IT-IT WAS GERMAN SCIENTISTS 1559 01:00:04,634 --> 01:00:06,336 THAT-THAT GOT US OFF THE DIME. 1560 01:00:06,336 --> 01:00:08,938 YOU THINK ABOUT THE INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION, 1561 01:00:08,938 --> 01:00:11,240 IT IS AN INTERNATIONAL COLLABORATION BETWEEN 1562 01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,176 MULTIPLE COUNTRIES. 1563 01:00:13,176 --> 01:00:16,980 UM, YOU THINK ABOUT THE-THE COMMERCIAL CREW PROGRAM, 1564 01:00:16,980 --> 01:00:19,749 IT'S-IT'S-- SPACEX WAS THE FIRST. 1565 01:00:19,749 --> 01:00:23,152 IT'S-IT'S OWNED BY ELON MUSK, A SOUTH AFRICAN. 1566 01:00:23,152 --> 01:00:26,289 UM, WE'RE TALKIN' ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, 1567 01:00:26,289 --> 01:00:28,324 ROUNDING OUT THE-THE COMMERCIAL PROGRAM 1568 01:00:28,324 --> 01:00:30,259 WITH SIERRA NEVADA CORPORATION, 1569 01:00:30,259 --> 01:00:32,428 WHICH IS OWNED BY, UM, YOU KNOW, 1570 01:00:32,428 --> 01:00:35,732 UM, TURKISH-TURKISH-BORN- BORN IMMIGRANTS. 1571 01:00:35,732 --> 01:00:39,702 SO, YOU KNOW, DIVERSITY IS-IS 1572 01:00:39,702 --> 01:00:41,404 THE CORNERSTONE OF NASA. 1573 01:00:41,404 --> 01:00:44,707 I MEAN, WE ARE WHERE WE ARE TODAY BECAUSE OF DIVERSITY. 1574 01:00:44,707 --> 01:00:47,510 BECAUSE OF THIS-THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, 1575 01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:49,879 HAVIN' THE ABILITY TO REACH OUT TO OTHER CULTURES 1576 01:00:49,879 --> 01:00:52,415 AND BRING THE BEST IDEAS AND THE BEST THAT 1577 01:00:52,415 --> 01:00:53,850 THEY HAVE TO OFFER, UH, 1578 01:00:53,850 --> 01:00:56,686 TO BEAR TO HELP TO U.S. SPACE PROGRAM. 1579 01:00:56,686 --> 01:00:58,354 - AWESOME, AWESOME. 1580 01:00:58,354 --> 01:00:59,689 LAST BUT NOT LEAST, MR. BROWN. 1581 01:00:59,689 --> 01:01:02,291 PLEASE GIVE US YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS. 1582 01:01:05,928 --> 01:01:06,896 - OKAY, YEAH, 1583 01:01:06,896 --> 01:01:09,365 I DON'T THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO IGNORE IT. 1584 01:01:09,365 --> 01:01:11,601 I DON'T THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO IGNORE ANY OF IT. 1585 01:01:11,601 --> 01:01:14,704 'CAUSE THESE-THESE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT ARE COMIN' UP BEHIND US 1586 01:01:14,704 --> 01:01:16,072 WON'T LET YOU. 1587 01:01:16,072 --> 01:01:17,807 THESE GUYS ARE BOLD. 1588 01:01:17,807 --> 01:01:20,376 THEY'RE-THEY'RE READY TO WORK. 1589 01:01:20,376 --> 01:01:22,145 THEY LOVE A CHALLENGE. 1590 01:01:22,145 --> 01:01:25,348 AND THEY ARE NOT GONNA LET ANY OF OUR BAGGAGE 1591 01:01:25,348 --> 01:01:26,883 GET IN THEIR WAY. 1592 01:01:26,883 --> 01:01:30,520 AND SO, UH, WE JUST NEED TO GET OUR MIND RIGHT, 1593 01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,056 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO IGNORE DIVERSITY 1594 01:01:33,056 --> 01:01:34,724 OR INCLUSION OR ANY OF THAT. 1595 01:01:34,724 --> 01:01:36,492 WE JUST WON'T BE ABLE TO. 1596 01:01:36,492 --> 01:01:39,362 NOT UNLESS YOU WANT A FULL SCALE REVOLT ON YOUR HANDS. 1597 01:01:39,362 --> 01:01:41,097 [laughter] - YES. 1598 01:01:41,097 --> 01:01:43,232 THAT IS SO TRUE. WOW, THAT IS TRUE. 1599 01:01:43,232 --> 01:01:45,301 THEY'RE NOT-- WE'RE OUT OF TIME TODAY. 1600 01:01:45,301 --> 01:01:48,104 I RESPECT AND ADMIRE, UH, NASA 1601 01:01:48,104 --> 01:01:50,506 AND THE WORK THEY ARE DOING, UH, TO DEVELOP 1602 01:01:50,506 --> 01:01:53,209 A CULTURE OF DIVERSITY, EQUITY, AND INCLUSION. 1603 01:01:53,209 --> 01:01:55,378 UH, THIS IS SUCH A GREAT PANEL 1604 01:01:55,378 --> 01:01:57,847 AND WHAT LOUCIOUS AND YOUR TEAM 1605 01:01:57,847 --> 01:02:00,149 AND ALL OF YOU ARE DOING IS JUST GREAT. 1606 01:02:00,149 --> 01:02:01,884 I'M GLAD THAT YOU HAD ME ON TODAY, 1607 01:02:01,884 --> 01:02:03,586 UH, IN THIS-THIS DISCUSSION. 1608 01:02:03,586 --> 01:02:05,388 WE NEED TO KEEP CONTINUING THIS DISCUSSION. 1609 01:02:05,388 --> 01:02:07,990 AND I TELL YOU LIKE I TELL MOST PEOPLE EVERYWHERE I GO, 1610 01:02:07,990 --> 01:02:09,325 WE HAVE NO BAD DAYS. 1611 01:02:09,325 --> 01:02:11,060 WE CAN'T AFFORD ANY BAD DAYS, 1612 01:02:11,060 --> 01:02:12,795 'CAUSE WE HAVE TOO MUCH AHEAD OF US 1613 01:02:12,795 --> 01:02:15,131 WHEN IT COMES TO US GOIN' FORWARD IN-IN LIFE. 1614 01:02:15,131 --> 01:02:17,567 WE CAN HAVE A BAD MINUTE, WE CAN HAVE A BAD HOUR, 1615 01:02:17,567 --> 01:02:19,035 BUT NOT A FULL DAY, OKAY? 1616 01:02:19,035 --> 01:02:20,203 SO, HERE IT IS, Y'ALL READY? 1617 01:02:20,203 --> 01:02:22,438 SO, IT'S SUPER SUNDAY. IT'S MARVELOUS MONEY. 1618 01:02:22,438 --> 01:02:25,007 IT'S TERRIFIC TUESDAY. IT'S WONDERFUL WEDNESDAY. 1619 01:02:25,007 --> 01:02:27,877 IT'S TRIUMPHANT THURSDAY. IT'S FANTASTIC FRIDAY. 1620 01:02:27,877 --> 01:02:29,712 AND IT'S SUCCESSFUL SATURDAY. 1621 01:02:29,712 --> 01:02:31,881 HEY, I'M DOC ROCK. YOU JOIN ME AT THE TOP. 1622 01:02:31,881 --> 01:02:33,850 I THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING PART OF THIS TODAY. 1623 01:02:33,850 --> 01:02:35,718 BACK TO YOU ALL, LOUCIOUS. 1624 01:02:43,459 --> 01:02:47,530 - HI, THANK YOU, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO CAROLYN MOSBY. 1625 01:02:47,530 --> 01:02:49,599 - CAROLYN? 1626 01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:51,901 - GOOD MORNIN', EVERYONE, AND AFTERNOON NOW. 1627 01:02:51,901 --> 01:02:53,636 I JUST WANNA THANK YOU, DOC ROCK. 1628 01:02:53,636 --> 01:02:56,873 UH, GREAT, AWESOME MODERATIN' SKILLS. 1629 01:02:56,873 --> 01:02:59,442 AND TO OUR AMAZIN' PANELISTS, UH, 1630 01:02:59,442 --> 01:03:01,677 FOR Y'ALL CONTRIBUTION, INPUT, AND SHARIN'. 1631 01:03:01,677 --> 01:03:03,613 I MUST SAY, I TOOK NOTES. 1632 01:03:03,613 --> 01:03:08,551 UM, I WANNA SAY THAT, HEY, WE ARE A-- THERE'S-- 1633 01:03:08,551 --> 01:03:11,053 WE HAVE PANELISTS THAT HAVE THE SECRET SAUCE, 1634 01:03:11,053 --> 01:03:13,523 UH, WE WANNA FIND PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE, 1635 01:03:13,523 --> 01:03:16,259 UH, UH, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS 1636 01:03:16,259 --> 01:03:19,362 IS BEING DELIBERATE, AND ALSO A CULTURE 1637 01:03:19,362 --> 01:03:21,797 OF "AND" VERSUS "OR." 1638 01:03:21,797 --> 01:03:24,934 SO, THESE ARE THINGS TO TAKE WITH US AS WE DO 1639 01:03:24,934 --> 01:03:27,637 THIS ONGOIN' DISCUSSION SO WE CAN ENSURE 1640 01:03:27,637 --> 01:03:31,174 THAT OUR WORKFORCE IS NOT ONLY DIVERSE, BUT EQUITABLE. 1641 01:03:31,174 --> 01:03:34,243 SO, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION NEXT WEEK 1642 01:03:34,243 --> 01:03:35,912 AND WE INVITE YOU ALL TO JOIN US 1643 01:03:35,912 --> 01:03:39,248 FOR OUR FORMAL PROGRAM NEXT TUESDAY, FEBRUARY THE 23RD 1644 01:03:39,248 --> 01:03:40,616 AT 10:00 AM. 1645 01:03:40,616 --> 01:03:44,086 YOU DON'T WANNA MISS THIS AWESOME, UH, EVENT. 1646 01:03:44,086 --> 01:03:46,956 WE'RE GONNA BE HIGHLIGHTIN' OTHER-OTHER AFRICAN AMERICAN 1647 01:03:46,956 --> 01:03:48,658 MARSHALL SPACE FLIGHT CENTER LEADERS. 1648 01:03:48,658 --> 01:03:51,160 AND WE WILL HOST A DYNAMIC KEYNOTE SPEAKER, 1649 01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:52,962 DR. PAMELA MCCAULEY. 1650 01:03:52,962 --> 01:03:54,363 SO, DON'T MISS IT OUT. 1651 01:03:54,363 --> 01:03:57,433 AGAIN, THANKS, EVERYONE FOR ATTENDIN' AND JOININ'. 1652 01:03:57,433 --> 01:04:01,137 AND WE WILL SEE YOU NEXT TIME. 1653 01:04:01,137 --> 01:04:03,806 AND JUST REMEMBER THIS A WONDERFUL WEDNESDAY, 1654 01:04:03,806 --> 01:04:05,575 AS DOC ROCK STATED.